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The rock measure person is really playing with fire at this event. Earlier in the week there was a quick measure to see if a rock was biting the rings, and instantly the rock was kicked off. It was incredibly close.

Then tonight, another measure, very close. A quick point to the closer rock and the second rock pushed out of play.
If I was on the losing end of that measure I would have asked to have the device run around a second time in the opposite direction to make sure. Too late you say? Instant controversy.

I would be registering a complaint at this point.

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Curlers are generally good sportsmen. They accept whatever the official tells them - even if the official looks like they were trained at the Kenny Hall Curling Shack!

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The rock measure person is really playing with fire at this event. Earlier in the week there was a quick measure to see if a rock was biting the rings, and instantly the rock was kicked off. It was incredibly close.

Then tonight, another measure, very close. A quick point to the closer rock and the second rock pushed out of play.
If I was on the losing end of that measure I would have asked to have the device run around a second time in the opposite direction to make sure. Too late you say? Instant controversy.

I would be registering a complaint at this point.

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Gerry, I meant to put a smiley on my post about the host province...but the fact that there's any exception to the "relegation" issue simply based on money rather than ability means that the idea hasn't been thought through...no smiley this time.

With Ontario being safe, and Northwest Territories helping out, it's doubtful that either Alberta or Manitoba will have to qualify. How do you think it would affect Ottawa's attendance if fans from either of those provinces found themselves in the same position as Scotties fans in B.C.? Advance ticket $ale$ are critical. I'm betting that nobody ever thought that a "Major" province would find itself having to qualify. If, by chance one of the "Major" provinces found itself on the outside, (maybe Halifax should be bidding for the Brier instead of hosting the World) do you think that this year's big TV ratings would be duplicated?

If Team Canada and the following year's host province finished at the bottom, then a team with as much as a 5-7 could find itself (more likely "themselves") in the qualification pool...but I'm sure that the "thinkers" have already thought about that, right?

For folks in the Maritimes and/or Territories, please understand that I'm not implying that you're any less "Canadian"-it's just that, when it comes to curling...

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Gerry, I meant to put a smiley on my post about the host province...but the fact that there's any exception to the "relegation" issue simply based on money rather than ability means that the idea hasn't been thought through...no smiley this time.

With Ontario being safe, and Northwest Territories helping out, it's doubtful that either Alberta or Manitoba will have to qualify. How do you think it would affect Ottawa's attendance if fans from either of those provinces found themselves in the same position as Scotties fans in B.C.? Advance ticket $ale$ are critical. I'm betting that nobody ever thought that a "Major" province would find itself having to qualify. If, by chance one of the "Major" provinces found itself on the outside, (maybe Halifax should be bidding for the Brier instead of hosting the World) do you think that this year's big TV ratings would be duplicated?

For folks in the Maritimes and/or Territories, please understand that I'm not implying that you're any less "Canadian"-it's just that, when it comes to curling...

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OK, how 'bout this scenario?

What if Ontario goes 1-1 along with two other teams in a Pre-Quelegation and gets sent packing.

Most-Bitter-Pill-to-Swallow, no?

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Incredibly inept ice call on Carruther's final draw keeps Koe alive. There was a 6 foot gap there Reid and absolutely no reason to be anywhere close to Koe's front guard. Stunning collapse by Carruthers all week as his front end curled well and the team is 4-6 now.

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OK, how 'bout this scenario?

What if Ontario goes 1-1 along with two other teams in a Pre-Quelegation and gets sent packing.

Most-Bitter-Pill-to-Swallow, no?

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what a wild night

saskatchewan gets 3 then promptly gives 5 back to ontario. ontario makes a weird shot to give a steal of and force and extra but win in the end

kevin comes up with a guard trying to draw in to the house on his last. but then reid comes up heart breakingly short on his final draw. seriously, my heart broke for him getting that close . an inch or 2 more and he wins

so now we have 4 teams still alive. im hoping for BC and alberta just for some more excitement. double tiebreakers if they do both win

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OK, how 'bout this scenario?

What if Ontario goes 1-1 along with two other teams in a Pre-Quelegation and gets sent packing.

Most-Bitter-Pill-to-Swallow, no?

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attendance numbers are nowhere near the last time this was held in calgary. on track to finish with less than half

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McGregor-I feel the same way about the Brier-and I was at the Scotties in Kingston too. But Ottawa is only a couple of hours from Kingston (and I'm in Toronto and have family in Ottawa) so we're lucky. How many Alberta/Saskatchewan/Manitoba fans will commit to a week off work if they don't know that their team will be playing...or do you think that they'd wait until after the "Q-Round"? As people who have been to a couple of Briers, we both know what the western fans bring to the party.

It's the advance ticket revenue that's going to be affected-and that revenue is important to the "Pre-Brier/Scotties" work that has to be done.

I'm sure that television ratings for this year's Brier will be "through the roof" just like the Scotties-but I wonder if the folks in Halifax are watching as much curling this week? Halifax isn't a "Major" TV market (no disrespect to Colleen Jones), but in a province like Ontario, the "casual" curling fan might think twice when choosing between the Brier and "The Real Housewives"... if there's no local talent.

The better and more comprehensive TV coverage becomes, the tougher it's going to be to sell tickets-the nature of the game makes it much easier to watch at home-but that's why the "Non-Curling" elements of the Brier are going to continue to become more important to the host city. There are people who spend the entire week in the "Patch" and only come out to watch their own team-sometimes.

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OK, how 'bout this scenario?

What if Ontario goes 1-1 along with two other teams in a Pre-Quelegation and gets sent packing.

Most-Bitter-Pill-to-Swallow, no?

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Measures have been done too quickly I noticed today. Also, the stick should be run around clockwise then counter clockwise. The vice can insist on this and they should.

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Apparently not, I just learned Ontario has no provincial pride.

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McGregor-I feel the same way about the Brier-and I was at the Scotties in Kingston too. But Ottawa is only a couple of hours from Kingston (and I'm in Toronto and have family in Ottawa) so we're lucky. How many Alberta/Saskatchewan/Manitoba fans will commit to a week off work if they don't know that their team will be playing...or do you think that they'd wait until after the "Q-Round"? As people who have been to a couple of Briers, we both know what the western fans bring to the party.

It's the advance ticket revenue that's going to be affected-and that revenue is important to the "Pre-Brier/Scotties" work that has to be done.

I'm sure that television ratings for this year's Brier will be "through the roof" just like the Scotties-but I wonder if the folks in Halifax are watching as much curling this week? Halifax isn't a "Major" TV market (no disrespect to Colleen Jones), but in a province like Ontario, the "casual" curling fan might think twice when choosing between the Brier and "The Real Housewives"... if there's no local talent.

The better and more comprehensive TV coverage becomes, the tougher it's going to be to sell tickets-the nature of the game makes it much easier to watch at home-but that's why the "Non-Curling" elements of the Brier are going to continue to become more important to the host city. There are people who spend the entire week in the "Patch" and only come out to watch their own team-sometimes.

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Incredibly inept ice call on Carruther's final draw keeps Koe alive. There was a 6 foot gap there Reid and absolutely no reason to be anywhere close to Koe's front guard. Stunning collapse by Carruthers all week as his front end curled well and the team is 4-6 now.

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Whoa pardner-the boys from Fenelon Falls just knocked off Saskatchewan and are tied with Manitoba and pre-qualifier PEI-albeit at 4-6...

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Whether you like it or not, the host gets a berth in all Olympic sports, in World Championships and curling is just doing the same.

As for a major province to get relegated, it's certainly part of the process and was definitely discussed. With the reviews of relegation going back through the years, all provinces have been in a position to be relegated at some point.

The thing is though, that being relegated is not a death knell for a province's chances. For any province in the event it takes two bad performances to miss the main event. Finish last in the first year and then fail to beat teams who would have a tough time winning more than 4-5 games on any given year.

As long as they fix the tiebreaker issue, which I'm sure will be reviewed, this is not something impossible to accomplish.

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I'm starting to like the idea of 3 teams relegated. This would create a Pre-Brier of 6 teams. The top 2 teams (based on finish) are given a bye in first round and teams play a triple knockout event to determine 3 winners.

Ideally this would be played 2 weeks before the Brier, but I expect that creates other costs/logistics issues.

If it happens right before the event (like this year) triple might be too much, perhaps a double knockout instead (with 2 teams from B event).

Just brainstorming...

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Wrong again, "Captain".

My argument has nothing to do with Nova Scotia. And I am not whining.

I am simply pointing out that there were ways in which this "problem" could have been "solved" without showing so much disrespect to some of the players -- and therefore to the game itself.

I am also pointing out that the people who disagree with me about this have nothing to offer other than BS and insults.

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so now we have 4 teams still alive. im hoping for BC and alberta just for some more excitement. double tiebreakers if they do both win

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I'm starting to like the idea of 3 teams relegated. This would create a Pre-Brier of 6 teams. The top 2 teams (based on finish) are given a bye in first round and teams play a triple knockout event to determine 3 winners.

Ideally this would be played 2 weeks before the Brier, but I expect that creates other costs/logistics issues.

If it happens right before the event (like this year) triple might be too much, perhaps a double knockout instead (with 2 teams from B event).

Just brainstorming...

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6 Teams for 3 spots and 5 Teams for 2 spots using a Double Knockout Format would take the same number of draws as the current format (using 2 sheets).

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How would this double tiebreaker work? QC vs. AB and BC vs. SK, then winners play for the final spot?

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