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I saw this mentioned after the win at the Ontario tankard. There needs to be one skip on a team not 4.

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If there was a split into two pools, which in theory would make for more competitive games and not extend the event, why not 4 draws a day?

Or drop team Canada, and give reasonable consideration to including Nunavet with travel subsidies to compete in the NWT playdown. Now you have 13 teams, which on surface should be able to be done in a round robin.

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Actually the event could accommodate more than 12 teams. The U.S. Championships (both men and women) were played in one week at Kalamazoo. The arena had 5 sheets and there were 4 draws a day (2 each). There was also a game on Monday morning-something that both the Scotties and Brier seem to avoid.

As for the possibility of having to play 3 games in one day? It's been done before in other spiels and would only happen once or twice.

Nunavut has sent rinks to national competitions before-remember, the territory has only been in existence since 1999.

Who's going to buy a ticket package for the Brier or Scotties if their province isn't playing? I said it before-try selling advance tickets for the Scotties in Vancouver...and one year you'll find one of the prairie provinces in the same boat. The fact that the "home" province gets a "free ride" mean s that one day some enterprising lawyer will see "discrimination" against one of the Territories-and yes, I know that Nunavut has only 3 clubs (I believe I was the person who raised that point) and has taken a pass on events before.

This relegation issue was never important until the pro circuit came into existence. If you want the 12 best rinks playing in the Scotties or Brier then, as I suggested, simply replace both events with another tour stop-there will be no need to restrict the entries to one rink per province/territory and the fans will flock to the event, just like on the pro circuit now. I received flak for making that suggestion before, but I'll stand by what I said.

The U.S./British Opens as well as the Masters aren't just PGA tour stops-the key word is "Open"...and some "name" golfers don't get to go-especially to the Masters.

If you want to call me "Old-Fashioned" go ahead...but for those who want change:

1. Have you booked time off to attended a Brier/Scotties before-including the "extra events"?
2. If your province wasn't at the Brier/Scotties would you still buy a ticket-and travel to wherever the event was being held?
3. How many pro events have you attended...and have you booked time off work and travelled to attend?
4. Should last year's Stanley Cup winner receive a "bye" into this year's playoffs? Folks in Los Angeles wouldn't mind...

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People are already outraged enough over trying to change the brier, how would people react to a new pool format. Just drop team Canada and let Nunavut keep its team if they want after all they are a part of Canada. Even if it's only 3 clubs those 3 clubs are on canadian soil. The only problem with 4 draws a day is getting Tsn on board an option would be letting Cbc have a few games back. A 14 team tournament can work with the system in place now, plus a longer brier wouldn't be horrible.

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Sure, make the changes first, then let the secondary items such as TV coverage work itself out. Unless the CCA has become a for-profit business, their mandate is to make curling as inclusive as possible.

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It's the tv contracts and sponsors that pay for the brier and Scotties to happen, lose them and you'll lose these events. Curling Canada is trying to market a sport like anyone else this involves tv contracts.

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I don't see the TV contracts being lost with some minor tweaks to the event but there is a fundamental issue of letting your mandate be swayed by external interests.

It appears that any perceived devaluation of the brier 'product' overrides consideration for CCA's mandate. Profit margins and potential audience growth are not the mission of the CCA. Evaluating the potential decrease in viewership or ticket sales in PEI or NS vs. the increase in interest with the inclusion of Team Canada go against the principle of representing the interests of Canadian curlers.

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This should be their mandate but let's get serious it clearly isn't any more. After all its not curling Canada's money tree funding these events. Funding isn't a secondary issues, it's a major one. And it wasn't the CCA who made the brier what it is today, it was Mcdonald tobacco.

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i am not so sure if its the front 3 calling their own game or just a lack of communication. but it needs to be worked out soon because they are 2-4 and frankly should be 1-5.

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I hadn't heard that funding is a major concern for the CCA. Are they in trouble financially? If that's the case, then they might as well get other top teams involved to boost the audience numbers.

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your such a tease ... give us the goods ...lol

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its a team sport. .... if the skip doesnt want help its up to him to set the rules... or punt a player....."pretty sure all these guys like the input they get


if you get this far its probably working...

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Funding is alway a concern for the CC. A few years ago they lost money.
And now the host committees are asked to come up with big bucks just to host.
Ottawa guaranteed the cc 1 million for the trials in 2017.
Their financial statements are on their website.

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Do you have a link to their statements? I can't seem to get past their new branding which I'm sure wasn't cheap.

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yeah, obviously mark likes the input or he'd say something about it. but, again they were on different wavelengths multiple times last night so they need to make sure they are on the same page with a shot before its thrown

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Matt Camm is calling the game when he shoots and he gets backing from Scott Howard most of the time and from Mathers somewhat.. It is easy to pick up on when you see this team live or watch them on TV

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If he badly wants to skip then do a team Canada and move Kean down to vice.

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I've seen Fry and Jacobs leaving their bare hands on the ice which is even worse. At least the knee is covered, hands give off more body heat. But this is curling 101, don't put body heat on the ice.

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Funding is alway a concern for the CC. A few years ago they lost money.
And now the host committees are asked to come up with big bucks just to host.
Ottawa guaranteed the cc 1 million for the trials in 2017.
Their financial statements are on their website.

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If we're going to play "Broom-Nudge" then somebody should give Ryan Fry a WWE "Chair-Shot".

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Do you have a link to their statements? I can't seem to get past their new branding which I'm sure wasn't cheap.

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People are already outraged enough over trying to change the brier, how would people react to a new pool format. Just drop team Canada and let Nunavut keep its team if they want after all they are a part of Canada. Even if it's only 3 clubs those 3 clubs are on canadian soil. The only problem with 4 draws a day is getting Tsn on board an option would be letting Cbc have a few games back. A 14 team tournament can work with the system in place now, plus a longer brier wouldn't be horrible.

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This is really unprecedented, hitting another player with a broom, while the player's shot is being played. Closest thing I recall that comes even close to this was Ed Werenich's threat to a Swedish player to give him a broom enema at a worlds event many years back. No actual physical contact though.

The whack appears to be premeditated; what was he(N.O.) doing there anyway? Supposed to be standing off to the side, out of the way while the other team is delivering.

Time for Northern Ontario to crack open the curling rules and regs manual and read page one entitled "Code of Ethics and Fair Play"
Not exactly the ambassadors or the sport, are they....

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And another thing. During the game between Alta and N.O. I swear I heard Fry say to AB vice, something to the effect of "I see you're calling only in-turns for Koe, guess he can't throw and out-turn..." The announcers made some bland comment about it.

Again, I've never heard this sort of comment picked up by a mic, intended to get into the other guys head, overheard at a Brier before.
If I'm wrong about this I apologize, but let's review point 4 from the Curling Rules Code of Ethics:

"I will take no action that could be interpreted as an attempt to intimidate or demean my opponents, teammates or umpires"

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So for all the people outraged by the relegation play/in round I'm guessing most of you would be satisfied if we went back to the old system and just added Nunavat to the Yukon/NWT relegation that has existed for decades. Where was all the outrage back then?

Combine Northern Ontario with Ontario (keep Team Canada) and let the territories water down the Brier/Scotties for the sake of Canadiana if we must. Twelve teams every year and the relegation happens like it always has. Way up north where almost nobody who lives in a Province ever cared about it.

I live in Ontario and am OK with getting rid of Northern Ontario. The women lived without it and if it fixes this then I'm ok with it.

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