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03-02-18 09:36PM
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Jones has probably given Joss a contract to be a full-time curler at an agreed upon salary (plus %of winnings)

Jones keeps her word.

The beauty of Jones evil plan is that it sets up nicely a possible Lawes/Peterman back end to continue Manitoba's dominance of women's curling - a battle plan against the Homan dynasty if you will.

Jones will see how she fares at 44 on the cash circuit - plus her results at the 2019 STOH. If she's not getting it done - she'll "step back", just like her lieutenant, Jill.

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For me it's more in the wording. Why "step back" ??
Why not say I'm taking 2 years off and then I plan to resume my competitive career for another run at the Olympics? Release the details for all to know.

And keep her word? Ask Cathy O
Bought out and fired mid Olympic run.

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For me it's more in the wording. Why "step back" ??
Why not say I'm taking 2 years off and then I plan to resume my competitive career for another run at the Olympics? Release the details for all to know.

And keep her word? Ask Cathy O
Bought out and fired mid Olympic run.




lol - just waiting and watching to see who would be the first to bring up Cathy O and what happened years ago.....time to move on.

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Funny for Jones ....but true. Axed a team member enroute to the Olympic run. Not the first time.

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Funny for Jones ....but true. Axed a team member enroute to the Olympic run. Not the first time.


Tell me the whole story - the truth, not what you have read of what happened with Cathy O.

Not what you read, or heard - the real reason.

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IF YOU KNOW THE TRUTH and or the whole story.... Why keep it a big secret for so many years? MY interpretation is Jones thought Cathy O was TOO OLD to continue the Olympic run they were on. Jones decided to buy her out and get a younger team mate. The legalese she would have written would be something similar to... we thank you for your contributions over the years to get us to the point where we have a great chance of qualifying for the Olympics, but your services are no longer required. Please accept this payout as our version of your perceived contribution to this team and good luck in your future endeavors. I'm guessing that's not too far from truth. If not, post it.

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IF YOU KNOW THE TRUTH and or the whole story.... Why keep it a big secret for so many years? MY interpretation is Jones thought Cathy O was TOO OLD to continue the Olympic run they were on. Jones decided to buy her out and get a younger team mate. The legalese she would have written would be something similar to... we thank you for your contributions over the years to get us to the point where we have a great chance of qualifying for the Olympics, but your services are no longer required. Please accept this payout as our version of your perceived contribution to this team and good luck in your future endeavors. I'm guessing that's not too far from truth. If not, post it.



nope & not my story to tell.

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finally just when you think the crappy olympics is over for a few years , we get a new chapter ..

tired of the old farts cherry picking players from all over Canada and spoiling the game

The Brier needs new blood too - and not 50% players that rep from the north

We definitely need to separate the leaques - you play in slams - no brier or olympics - and vice versa ( love to see what comes outa asia and europe under these rules ! lol )

like the good old days

biggest joke in 2018
Russia reinstated the day the games end - what a morally bankrupt organisation - russia bot off the slimey olympic creeps , like he meddled in US election .

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nope & not my story to tell.



Not your story to tell? Of course it isn't. If anybody divulges the full story it will have to be Jones herself.

Curlers have been dismissed from teams for many, many years for multiple reasons. It's absolutely normal and simply part of team sports. The problem most have with "O's " dismissal and the reason it is still regarded as distasteful and unpalatable by everybody except Jones and her supporters/fans, is twofold:

- The Timing of the dismissal

- The adverse Impact of that
dismissal on 'O".

To hope that curlers in general will forgive and forget that kind of a decision made by a Win-At-Cost type of individual is probably not realistic.

Unfortunately the above decision by Jones followed another blunder when she was playing in the Gimli provincials, and refused to play on when the ice official did not agree with her "burned rock" opinion. Those folks who watched are not going to forget. And undoubtedly, Jones will never forget the boos and jeers as she scurried from the rink.

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Think of a team as a company that is made of of three employees and a supervisor. Generally, if an employee is dismissed it would be an internal personal situation that would remain private. In this instance you have one party that went public to seek the public's sympathy, and the other party had enough class not to share issues in the media. Hence, much speculation and blame, without any details being available.

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Mark Kennedy stepping back. Not retirement. Classy speech.

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I missed the first part of the interview. Is it just him or the team?

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Think of a team as a company that is made of of three employees and a supervisor. Generally, if an employee is dismissed it would be an internal personal situation that would remain private. In this instance you have one party that went public to seek the public's sympathy, and the other party had enough class not to share issues in the media. Hence, much speculation and blame, without any details being available.


Poor analogy Ajay.

Regardless of the reasons for the dismissal of Overton from the Jones team it has nothing to do with your attempt to paint Overton as classless or seeking pity and attention.

What Jones did hit Overton squarely in the pocketbook and it brought to light a serious issue in competitive curling that still needs to be addressed-the cutting of players without fair and adequate compensation for their efforts.

This has nothing to do with privacy, it has to do with clear cause and effect. Overtons efforts led to Jones qualifying for the Olympics therefore she is entitled to a share of the awards-monetary or otherwise-that Jones receives. This concept is not new and is a part of almost any contract in professional team sports.

So the notion that Overton is somehow a villian when, in fact, it was Jones, is ignorance.

But I will say this in fairness to Jones because she wasn't the first to play this card. Martin did it, Gushue and others cut players coldly and without compensation for their efforts which forwarded them to Trials berths.

What does it mean? It means the end of honour amongst teammates. It means that if you are considering a run at the Olympics with any team, you would be a fool not to have a written and signed agreement which takes into consideration this kind of situation.

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I missed the first part of the interview. Is it just him or the team?


Nothing much said about the team other than Mark talking about all the great people he had curled with, Talked about injuries and sounded really "tired'.

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Nothing much said about the team other than Mark talking about all the great people he had curled with, Talked about injuries and sounded really "tired'.



Thanks. Seems like a no brainer for Johnny Mo to slide in.

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Mark K. sounded tired - cuz he probably was!

A hard core Olympic trials with a hair 'n scissors win over Gushue - lots of cash tourneys & travel - then into the Olympic fire and not curling at their best - getting bowled over by a group of hefty americans and failing to even pooper skoop a bronze medal.

Lots of continuous on-ice explanations and discussions that resulted in mostly mediocre to poor outcomes.

I suspect Mark re-charges over the spring and early summer and then reaches forward to play with Kevin another year - without a full commitment to the 4-year Olympic cycle.

I'm sure he'll feel much better in a few weeks - after the shock of being humbled in Korea wears off.

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Jamcan - I did not know that you were aware of the reason for Cathy and the jones team to sever ties, and can confirm that she was released without cause.

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Thanks. Seems like a no brainer for Johnny Mo to slide in.


I would hope not.

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Really...the whole Jone's thing with Cathy and Gimli is getting really old and stale.

Speculate all you want....but their was a team involved and Jone's takes all the heat.


We have watched hundreds and curling games since then, some really good ones....lets move forward.

Old news gets boring and stale. Time to watch the Brier and enjoy!

Then, we can watch as all teams break up and move on. It has become a business.

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I would hope not.



He always seems to land on his feet somewhere.

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Curling is of course filled with great shooters but to my mind Kennedy has been for the last ten years in the discussion for the best shooter in the game.

Like Middaugh he was able to make freezes as easily as he made runbacks. There was no shot outside of his ability and he made shots we used to think too low percentage to try into shots that everyone needed to have in their arsenal if they wanted to compete.

I remember well that stretch that he had when Team Martin was pretty much unbeatable. What I remember best was chuckling when listening to Johnny Mo every time Marc let go of the rock say, "Weights good".

I also remember being at the Glenn Howard curling camp and Saville saying about Kennedy, "I don't know how that guy does it, he holds on to the very back of the handle, I'm amazed every time he makes a shot, so ya I'm amazed a lot." Again like Middaugh he didn't have a technique that you could teach anyone else, but man oh man did he ever make it work. And as everyone who has ever watched him play knows there has never been a better teammate. Yes there have been many who were as good, but there are none better. Curling will miss him, let's hope it won't be for too long.

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guessing the team is playing in the last couple of grand slams and Marc will finish out the season with the team. He never really said.

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Think Kennedy said "taking a break" not retiring.

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Think of a team as a company that is made of of three employees and a supervisor. Generally, if an employee is dismissed it would be an internal personal situation that would remain private. In this instance you have one party that went public to seek the public's sympathy, and the other party had enough class not to share issues in the media. Hence, much speculation and blame, without any details being available.

Unless you know the complete and exact details of the circumstance, when you state that "the other party had enough class not to share issues in the media", you're simply guessing.
Maybe Jones staying publicly quiet was a matter of her having class.
Or maybe Jones staying quiet was a matter of her trying to conceal a truth that would make her (Jones) look rather bad.
One is just as plausible as the other to those who don't know exactly what happened.

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Unless you know the complete and exact details of the circumstance, when you state that "the other party had enough class not to share issues in the media", you're simply guessing.
Maybe Jones staying publicly quiet was a matter of her having class.
Or maybe Jones staying quiet was a matter of her trying to conceal a truth that would make her (Jones) look rather bad.
One is just as plausible as the other to those who don't know exactly what happened.

Good grief. Ajay isn't guessing. The 'real' story has been told any number of times but for some reason, some people just don't want to believe it. Yes, Jones was being classy by refusing to discuss it in the media even though COC ran to her favourite reporter to try and get people to feel sorry for her (she obviously succeeded) but Jennifer took all the heat through the years and never ever bad-mouthed Cathy. You think her team didn't appreciate that? It's part of the reason they have stuck together and been so successful for so long as a team and are still staying together while most other teams are coming apart.

Ajay may not want to say what happened but I'm not afraid to. Both Dawn and Jill went to Jennifer and said they would quit before they would play another season with Cathy. Jennifer was caught in the middle because she considered Cathy a good friend but all previous attempts to heal the rifts on the team had failed and she had to make the decision she made. (And CathyO was handsomely compensated for potential team earnings.) In retrospect, it was obviously the right decision for the Jones team as all their success has proved while Cathy has never been able to get along with new teammates well enough to keep a team together or fit into another team for more than a year.

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