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How many times out are teams allowed? Seems like Richard Hart has made more appearances than coaches in prior years?

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Team Jones gained control early with their three ender and were challenged throughout but never gave up that control.

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Can't sat Canada didn't deserve to lose that game, too many missed opportunities early. This team has been grinding the whole year and this game proves they'll need to pick it up if they want to three peat. Now Alberta and Manitoba have the jump on them, as they'll most likely have to beat Alberta to get in the coveted 1 V2 game. I don't see that happening this year so it looks like they'll be going the Sisyphus route through the playoffs, and we know what usually happens if you get to the finals (mountaintop) coming from that game....

Double peal and you win. Both teams out of sorts but often saved by clutch shots.

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Team Jones gained control early with their three ender and were challenged throughout but never gave up that control.

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The idiot Hart just cost Rachael her winning streak by suggesting she draw in the tenth. Why even give Jennifer the runback when the double peel would have pretty much assured victory. As Russ said the first rule of curling is "control the front"

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Yeah that was a really odd decision since they had shot stone on the right hand side edge of the eight foot. Keep the centerline clear and it's an easy deuce

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Homan-Jones was an entertaining game. I don't get the 9th end last rock decision by Jones. Jones was not 100% convinced they were shot, so she went for the double for 2-3 instead of the draw for 1-2. Despite black book stats, elite teams still prefer down 1 with to up one without. I thought the draw for one give you a 60% win chance plus more if the measure works out. If the measure is 50-50, your win chance must be around 75%. You have to make the double for 2 more often than 50% to break even with the draw, which has got to be a 90+% make. It was not a really easy double.

Interestingly, Homan quickly conceded the one without measure to get hammer in 10, a 40% win chance more or less.

Milo will probably straighten this out later.

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Other than a pizzy/greedy decision by Jones in the 9th, I thought she wasn't out of sorts. Homan missed an early double to give JJ her three - Curling Zone turning point!

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The idiot Hart just cost Rachael her winning streak by suggesting she draw in the tenth. Why even give Jennifer the runback when the double peel would have pretty much assured victory. As Russ said the first rule of curling is "control the front"

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Yeah the draw call in 10 was just stupid. Jones had 2 guards that were nicely set up for the runback double. All that shot did was give Jones an out when you were looking good for the win and she took full advantage of it. In cases like that you have to look at the team you're playing when deciding what shot to play.

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Double peel and I don't know what MB can do to prevent a deuce other than hoping for a CAN miss. Surprised a world class team like Homan did not realize that, but Rich Hart clearly failed in his job as coach tonight by not recognizing the situation.

MB has a nice route to the 1-2 game now, but as seen with PEI vs AB tonight, there usually will be a game or two against a 'weaker' opponent that comes down to a last shot.

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Courtney is a monster on the brush, agreed but she's killing her two big girl friends, Weagle and Miskew as they struggle to keep up with Joanne's furious brushing. Anyways, Officer massacred Courtney today. McEwen and Weagle fought to a standoff (as expected, they're the two best leads in the bidness)
Miskew finally got the best of Lawes - thought Lawes fell victim to a couple poor Jones line calls but Emma (who had a couple key misses herself) stuffed her something like 88 to 75%

JJ was the only one on the sheet to go under 70(69%) but she was there when the chip stacks were in play.

Funny how Miskew was quick to concede the one to Jones in the 9th - after Jones made that horrid angle-wedge decision!

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Earl always gently steered Rachel/Emma to their final decision. Hart kinda imposed himself, I'd say.

I sometimes think Jones could use a high-performance coach!

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Jones is probably in the drivers seat to get to the 1v2 game. I don't really see anyone who can seriously threaten her other then Sweeting, but she's got two potential losses in Jones and Homan yet to come. So if I were to rank the chances of getting to the 1-2 game of "the big three". I'd go:

1)Jones
2)Sweeting
3)Homan

Lawton will likely get the #4 with potential threats from, NO, Ont., etc.

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Don't want to be a total apologist for Hart but in the extra end he deferred to Rachel & Emma.

You could hear both of the girls talking about Jones having not had a draw to make in several ends. They were counting on JJ to flub her draw. They were wrong.

Homan could have promoted her shot stone to tee-line mid-4 protected, leaving Jones a short angle double spill to score the winning point.

Rachel chose to make Jones draw half the four (JJ ended up on the hole) - THERE WAS SOMEONE IN THE BOOTH FAMILIAR WITH SHORT & UNMADE ANGLE RAISE DOUBLES - her name Cheryl Bernard.

Mind you when Cheryl donated the gold medals to Sweden she really didn't have the kind of heavy shot-buster that both Homan and Jones possess (especially Homan)

But considering Jones & Lawes bizarre confusion with line/weight calls on many of their hits - I believe she would've had a slightly better chance for JJ to jam!

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Jones and Homan put on a show reminiscent of Howard vs. Martin, Martin vs. Ferbey, Hackner vs. Ryan, Stoughton vs. Martin, etc.

I think Jones experience and ability to play a variety of games helped her win out over Homan last nite.

Especially with Jones being virtually coachless and Jen's odd strategy in big situations!

I wonder how Sweeting would have handled the situation. Different, for sure.

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So in the 6th end, with Homan's first skips rock, she came around the guard and hit Jones stone. I saw Jones doing something that I thought was not allowed. Have I been wrong all along? Her stone was stationary, and she started sweeping her stone, so that once it started to move, the ice was already swept to allow for more movement. I thought the rule was that you could not sweep a stationary stone, that you had to wait for it to move first, and then you could sweep the moving stone.

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This is a rule that needs to be enforced, and the rulebook needs to be changed. Why should it be the onus of the offending team to point out the cheaters, making them look petty? When I assure you it's not a petty point.

Maybe this could be one of Vic's questions to the crew. Show the replay, then Vic asks, "hey experts, what's the rule on sweeping a rock before it's in motion", wherein they answer, "it's against the rules and therefore cheating". Perhaps a public shaming will put a stop to this behaviour.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by johnnysmoke
[B]This is a rule that needs to be enforced, and the rulebook needs to be changed. Why should it be the onus of the offending team to point out the cheaters, making them look petty? When I assure you it's not a petty point.

Maybe this could be one of Vic's questions to the crew. Show the replay, then Vic asks, "hey experts, what's the rule on sweeping a rock before it's in motion", wherein they answer, "it's against the rules and therefore cheating". Perhaps a public shaming will put a stop to this behaviour.

My reply. I did notice Kaitlin warming up the ice and was shocked at the obvious "against the rules". I didn't notice Jones warming up the ice on one of Rachaels shots though as the poster mentioned earlier. It was a great game to watch. Congrats to the winner. Hope we'll see them again this week. They put on quite a show.

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I think the most that can be said about the CA-MB game was that it was a moderately interesting game played between two excellent teams. There were several important misses by both teams and no particularly great shots. One of the teams won a close game in an extra end. No long term conclusions can be made from anything that occurred.

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That game showed that 2 great teams can bring there skill level down to average when there is no real prize at the end.

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So Little K has to get into position, not only working around a big gangly girl like Emma to clear her position but getting her mechanics set for a go at the stone. I think part of it is Kaitlyn warming up her mechanics without actually putting brush down.

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Why were there no draws this morning/ Civic lunch? Give the girls a break?

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Disappointed to see how New Brunswick is playing with the absence of Andrea Crawford. It appears New Brunswick may be a one team province.

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Double header on CurlingGeek for the afternoon games today:

Newfoundland vs. Northern Ontario

and

Ontario vs. BC

Games start at 2pm CT, 3pm ET, 4:30pm in NFLD.

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