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03-06-22 09:56AM |
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Dangermouse
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Double steal makes it 9-2 after five ends and Dodds/Mouat throw the towel in. Eve Muirhead and Bobby Lammie are the Scottish MD champions.
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03-06-22 11:01AM |
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Martym
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quote: Originally posted by Dangermouse
Muirhead & Lammie 7-2 up after 4.
Not sure if Mouat/Dodds will be allowed to defend their world title anyway or if we go to Muirhead/Lammie.
Actually what about a Muirhead/Mouat dream team?
I don't see the Mouat Muirhead combo working that well to be fair - too many skips spoil the broth? .
Its interesting that Scotland are the only nation still to nominate their representative for the women's worlds which starts in two weeks.
I presume they are sending Team Muirhead - but it is odd there has been no announcement a week post the Scottish champs.
Perhaps they were waiting to see who won the mixed doubles before announcing all 3 worlds entrants. Will Eve want to double up?
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03-06-22 12:12PM |
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Dangermouse
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Allegedly the selectors wanted to see what kind of form the Olympic players were in at the Scottish MD championship before deciding whether to send them or the Scottish Champions.
The Olympic teams played very well with 3/4 making the semi finals so I think we can pencil Muirhead and Mouat in for the womens and mens worlds.
Not sure who goes to the mixed. Muirhead and Lammie look fantastic as a team but also would be harsh not to let Dodds and Mouat defend their world title
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03-06-22 12:23PM |
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quote: Originally posted by Dangermouse
Not sure who goes to the mixed. Muirhead and Lammie look fantastic as a team but also would be harsh not to let Dodds and Mouat defend their world title
And that's one of the problems with selecting a rep. You can make a strong case for either team so it's now a popularity/politicking contest and whoever doesn't get to go will feel that they got shafted.
And bigger issue, any promising young curlers have no hope for the next decade of being selected over Mouat and the next 5 years over Muirhead so they may just pack it in.
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03-06-22 01:12PM |
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curlingclips
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quote: Originally posted by Dangermouse
Canada doesn't allow anyone who's playing in the traditional format to go to the olympics for MD.
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I don’t want to hear any more crap about how mens/womens curlers should leave mixed doubles to the specialists because it’s been disproved today.
Canada doesn't allow a curler to double duty in the Olympics, but what happened today in Scotland and Switzerland didn't prove or disprove anything about that policy.
If anything, today showed that Olympians can stay in good form to compete in World soon after, but Canada has already chosen Olympians Peterman/Gallant to go to World before today, so they're already convinced.
I agree with some of y'all that the single duty at the Olympics policy needs to be re-examined, but what happened today in SUI and SCO proved nothing for/against that policy.
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03-06-22 01:45PM |
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Dangermouse
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quote: Originally posted by hogged again
And that's one of the problems with selecting a rep. You can make a strong case for either team so it's now a popularity/politicking contest and whoever doesn't get to go will feel that they got shafted.
And bigger issue, any promising young curlers have no hope for the next decade of being selected over Mouat and the next 5 years over Muirhead so they may just pack it in.
The young curlers will absolutely be selected if they prove they are better than Mouat/Muirhead.
By that, I don’t just meaning winning one individual bonspiel (the Scottish championship) though. They need to consistently outcompete them in events domestically and internationally to prove it.
Sending the SC winner automatically risks us performing poorly on the world stage.
The Swedes and their huge bunch of world and Olympic titles don’t care whether some curlers “pack it in” or not and neither should Scotland.
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03-06-22 02:10PM |
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hogged again
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quote: Originally posted by Dangermouse
The Swedes and their huge bunch of world and Olympic titles don’t care whether some curlers “pack it in” or not and neither should Scotland.
Yes their approach is clear. Much like China they identify top talent early and pour all their resources into a slect few in the hope that winning a medal brings the country some sort of glory.
I think the purpose of sport is not to just win medals on the world stage but to encourage participation among the most people possible as a healthier society is a more prosperous society. So instead of pouring all the money and effort into a (very) small group the money should be spent at the grassroots to encourage participation from curlers of all levels.
Medals do entice a few people to take up the game but looking at the Swedish system it's not a big boost. Sweden has always had a top team winning world's, Gustaffsson, Norberg, Hasselborg, Lindholm, Edin but they have not built a large base of even halfway decent teams. Nordby in Norway won world gold and other medals yet women's curling in Norway has languished.
There was a long post recently from a Scottish curler who was also on the curling authority there who said that the emphasis on elite teams had negatively impacted the grassroots level curling so it's not like everyone there supports the idea that 4 players winning a medal is better than 400 players having some fun and getting some exercise.
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03-09-22 04:00PM |
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Can someone please explain to me (in simple easy to understand one syllable words) Curl Canada rationale for picking teams?
They have a (silly) rule for the Olympics where a curler can not play in both the 4 person team event and the mixed doubles. The reasoning is the medal chances would be reduced by an individual playing 2 high stress events back to back.
But then they go and select Gallant for the world mixed. This is a guy who played the Olympics in Feb, the Brier in March and could potentially play the World's in April before playing the Mixed Worlds in April. That's a lot of high stress curling.
Is CC just making it up as they go?
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03-09-22 05:18PM |
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curlingclips
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quote: Originally posted by hogged again
Is CC just making it up as they go?
Who do you think should be selected for World that wouldn't be Curling Canada just "making it up"? Or are you saying that Curling Canada is "making it up as they go" regardless of who they select?
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03-09-22 05:45PM |
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decade
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quote: Originally posted by hogged again
Can someone please explain to me (in simple easy to understand one syllable words) Curl Canada rationale for picking teams?
They have a (silly) rule for the Olympics where a curler can not play in both the 4 person team event and the mixed doubles. The reasoning is the medal chances would be reduced by an individual playing 2 high stress events back to back.
But then they go and select Gallant for the world mixed. This is a guy who played the Olympics in Feb, the Brier in March and could potentially play the World's in April before playing the Mixed Worlds in April. That's a lot of high stress curling.
Is CC just making it up as they go?
They would pick a senior team from the boonies in NWT before picking Martin and Griffith. CC has some hate on for that pair.
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03-09-22 05:56PM |
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curlingclips
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quote: Originally posted by decade
They would pick a senior team from the boonies in NWT before picking Martin and Griffith. CC has some hate on for that pair.
This is a baseless accusation not grounded in reality.
And even if you want to use CMDR to select the highest ranked team available, there are 4 teams that are higher ranked that Martin/Griffith according to the January 2022 update (Weagle/Epping, Desjardins/Desjardins, Wasylkiw/Konings, Peterman/Gallant).
Source: https://www.curling.ca/files/2022/0...Jan-19-2022.xls
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03-09-22 06:18PM |
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The worlds MD is not until 23 April. CC has had tons of time since the covid rules have relaxed to reschedule the Canadian MD championships. They were set for March 22-27 anyway? Even if they only invited say the top 12 or 16 to make it run quicker and smoother it’s better than nothing. Or is that just me?
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03-09-22 06:40PM |
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curlingclips
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The most exciting storyline at the moment for me is how Jamie Sinclair will do at the US championship.
Sinclair/Ruohonen lost the final of the US trials, so they have what it takes to win the national. Then Sinclair would have to decide if she will commit to play for US and restart that clock again, or to go back and play for Ontario/Canada.
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03-10-22 05:52AM |
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hailstone
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quote: Originally posted by hogged again
Can someone please explain to me (in simple easy to understand one syllable words) Curl Canada rationale for picking teams?
Man and mate that throw rocks good. Sweep good too.
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03-12-22 08:07PM |
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curlingclips
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I'm rooting for Sinclair/Ruohonen to represent USA, if only for the bonus of having an old man do mixed doubles.
The oldest I'm aware of is Hans Frauenlob, who in 2013 played in world mixed doubles and world seniors simultaneously (both events were run concurrently, and he played in both).
It's often said that mixed doubles is a young person's game, so I want to see the odd ball seniors compete at the highest levels.
//edit: welp, they just lost the semifinal. Great game, though. They managed to fight back to extra end after giving up steal of 4.
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03-18-22 11:30AM |
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Dangermouse
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Scotland have officially picked Muirhead and Lammie.
Jen Dodds is a reigning Olympic, World and European champion, which Muirhead will be looking to emulate at this tournament.
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03-21-22 06:19AM |
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hailstone
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Japan has officially chosen Chiaki Matsumura (currently playing in Women's Worlds) and Yasumasa Tanida for 2022 Worlds. This was the pair that won 2020 Nationals, and went to the recent Olympics Qualifying Event.
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