Disclaimer: CurlingZone does not represent or endorse the accuracy or reliability of any Content posted on any Forums area and you acknowledge that any reliance upon such Content shall be at your sole risk. Any Content placed on any Forums area by users and anonymous posters are the views of the user posting the statement, and do not represent the views of CurlingZone or our partners, advertisers or sponsors. By posting anonymously, you are allowing your IP address to be displayed for identification purposes. CurlingZone reserves the right to remove any post at its discretion without warning or explanation.
02-09-20 06:50PM |
|
misty1
Supreme Champion!
Registered: Sep 2011
Location:
Posts: 6002 |
congrats to gunner. some would say an overdue trip to the brier
mcewen will have the second chance. ofcourse
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
02-09-20 07:03PM |
|
nelski
Super Rockchucker
Registered: Oct 2004
Location: Twin Snowbanks
Posts: 2068 |
quote: Originally posted by misty1 mcewen will have the second chance. of course.
Versus...? Howard?
__________________
Lots of major youth (<21) events. Nice for Murdoch... and us :-D.
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
02-09-20 07:14PM |
|
CURLER1
Super Rockchucker
Registered: Oct 2004
Location: Brandon
Posts: 1054 |
quote: Originally posted by nelski
Versus...? Howard?
If Bottcher wins it is Howard. If Bottcher loses, it is him in the Wild Card.
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
02-09-20 09:48PM |
|
Deliverer
Swing Artist
Registered: Nov 2016
Location:
Posts: 471 |
"Jeff makes better curler than announcer.."
To the contrary, I think SN's broadcast team would be improved significantly with Stoughton on board. Only question: which two of the current staff should be handed their walking papers?
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
02-09-20 09:49PM |
|
curlerbroad
Super Rockchucker
Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Toronto
Posts: 2668 |
And Howard just might eat McEwan alive...Scott Howard is very intense. That front end is decent too.
__________________
Well Behaved Women Don't Make History.
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
02-10-20 05:45AM |
|
On The Nose
Drawmaster
Registered: Apr 2014
Location: In the House
Posts: 608 |
Mike and Reid seem just as uncomfortable and unnatural in their curling partnership as they did at the beginning a couple of years ago.
Sure, they'll win more than they'll lose - on raw talent only... but when confronted with teams that are their peers, that's when they falter.
They are good friends - and that's fine. But the dynamic between them on the ice when they are challenged by good teams is so awkward and unnatural that it's difficult to watch. Surely some objective observers have mentioned this to them... or perhaps people are afraid to be honest with them.
Designating McEwen as the leader of the team - Skipping, throwing Skip stones, and the team in his name - has not helped at all. There is still no bonafide leader of this team. And it's because they are good friends - they are both afraid of vetoing the other's decisions. This leads to wishy-washy leadership, and the team suffers because of it.
Man, I was writing the same thing 2 years ago - and nothing's changed since then. The team dynamic hasn't improved at all.
It's sad to say, but they were both better on their own than they are together. It's time to cut their losses and abandon ship at the end of this season, for the good of all involved.
__________________
"It is easy in the world to live after the world's opinion; it is easy in solitude to live after our own... but the great man is he who, in the midst of the crowd, keeps with perfect sweetness the independence of solitude." ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
Last edited by On The Nose on 02-10-20 at 05:56AM
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
02-10-20 12:24PM |
|
hogged again
Drawmaster
Registered: Mar 2019
Location:
Posts: 659 |
I think the biggest problem isn't chemistry, it's the fact that Carruthers is not an elite shooter. Rarely have I seen him outplay the opposing 3rd and he's always good for a bad bad miss in the late ends.
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
02-10-20 12:25PM |
|
curlerbroad
Super Rockchucker
Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Toronto
Posts: 2668 |
quote: Originally posted by On The Nose
Mike and Reid seem just as uncomfortable and unnatural in their curling partnership as they did at the beginning a couple of years ago.
Sure, they'll win more than they'll lose - on raw talent only... but when confronted with teams that are their peers, that's when they falter.
They are good friends - and that's fine. But the dynamic between them on the ice when they are challenged by good teams is so awkward and unnatural that it's difficult to watch. Surely some objective observers have mentioned this to them... or perhaps people are afraid to be honest with them.
Designating McEwen as the leader of the team - Skipping, throwing Skip stones, and the team in his name - has not helped at all. There is still no bonafide leader of this team. And it's because they are good friends - they are both afraid of vetoing the other's decisions. This leads to wishy-washy leadership, and the team suffers because of it.
Man, I was writing the same thing 2 years ago - and nothing's changed since then. The team dynamic hasn't improved at all.
It's sad to say, but they were both better on their own than they are together. It's time to cut their losses and abandon ship at the end of this season, for the good of all involved.
Two skips do not make a good team. If you look at Team Howard, you know whose the boss. Yes Scott will try and talk Glenn into some high risk shot but ultimately they respect what Glenn decides. Team Fleury is a bit like Team McEwen with the front end often in the house telling Tracy what to throw. Dangerous. I see this in club play and I see in elite play. A high performance advisor like a Jules Ochwar might be beneficial to Team McEwan but in the end it might be best to go their separate ways.
__________________
Well Behaved Women Don't Make History.
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
02-10-20 01:02PM |
|
Ajay
Drawmaster
Registered: Mar 2014
Location:
Posts: 570 |
Always happy to see a team win their first provincial title. In this instance however, I had noted that McEwen lost the game in the early end when when he opted for a ridiculous , low percentage shot and missed rather than making the simple draw to the button that gunner made on his next shot. Hence, McEwen lost the game more than Gunner winning it which does not auger well for him going to the big dance.
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
02-10-20 03:01PM |
|
MeaghanEdwards
Drawmaster
Registered: Aug 2018
Location:
Posts: 699 |
quote: Originally posted by curlerbroad
Two skips do not make a good team. If you look at Team Howard, you know whose the boss. Yes Scott will try and talk Glenn into some high risk shot but ultimately they respect what Glenn decides. Team Fleury is a bit like Team McEwen with the front end often in the house telling Tracy what to throw. Dangerous. I see this in club play and I see in elite play. A high performance advisor like a Jules Ochwar might be beneficial to Team McEwan but in the end it might be best to go their separate ways.
Maybe John Dunn could help; Team Koe has a democratic dynamic that seems to work for them, given their Brier win.
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
02-10-20 03:19PM |
|
albetts
Super Rockchucker
Registered: Jan 2006
Location: Peterborough
Posts: 1120 |
quote: Originally posted by Ajay
Always happy to see a team win their first provincial title. In this instance however, I had noted that McEwen lost the game in the early end when when he opted for a ridiculous , low percentage shot and missed rather than making the simple draw to the button that gunner made on his next shot. Hence, McEwen lost the game more than Gunner winning it which does not auger well for him going to the big dance.
I'm totally in agreement with you. It'll be different seeing Gunner a the Brier this year. I don't think he'll do well but its his wish and it has been fulfilled. McEwen made a very foolish shot and I believe this cost him the game. So dejected looking after the game. To come so far then lose. Gotta be a tough pill to swallow.
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
02-10-20 06:15PM |
|
alex
Swing Artist
Registered: Sep 2011
Location: Quesnel
Posts: 420 |
The McEwen team didn't look good but I didn't think Gunnlaugson did either. I never get the feeling that this McEwen team really wants him to win. I think he would be much better with 2 or 3 young guys, possibly Wozniak at third or second.
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
02-10-20 10:52PM |
|
misty1
Supreme Champion!
Registered: Sep 2011
Location:
Posts: 6002 |
the thing with mcruthers is that yes, their results are better but the dynamic is still weird. it still feels like this is carruthers, semegalski and hodgson + mcewen. its never felt comfortable from day one. maybe it is, i dont know but on ice the dynamic just seems off.
we only see so much but what im seeing just ..at times its as comfortable as it was watching ben and rachel interact on a team at the continental cup this year.
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
02-11-20 05:12AM |
|
On The Nose
Drawmaster
Registered: Apr 2014
Location: In the House
Posts: 608 |
quote: Originally posted by hogged again
I think the biggest problem isn't chemistry, it's the fact that Carruthers is not an elite shooter. Rarely have I seen him outplay the opposing 3rd and he's always good for a bad bad miss in the late ends.
^ Not true. Reid is no worse than any of his peers. He was doing quite well in the 2 or 3 years he was Skipping his own team, before Mike came aboard. Before that, he was a quality Second.
The problem is not with the quality or calibre of anyone on the team, it's purely with the dynamic of the team.
When Reid was Skipping (before Mike came along), the dynamic was really good.
This isn't to say that either Reid or Mike are bad guys - not at all. They're both high quality curlers, and probably nice guys. It's just that they don't have a good dynamic when playing together.
__________________
"It is easy in the world to live after the world's opinion; it is easy in solitude to live after our own... but the great man is he who, in the midst of the crowd, keeps with perfect sweetness the independence of solitude." ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
02-11-20 05:21AM |
|
On The Nose
Drawmaster
Registered: Apr 2014
Location: In the House
Posts: 608 |
quote: Originally posted by curlerbroad
Two skips do not make a good team....
That can sometimes be the case, and sometimes not. Einerson and Sweeting seem to be working well...
The fact is that the majority of the players on the top teams - at every position - were Skips at some point along the way. So they all know and have the Skip mentality/approach within them.
Reid was a Second for a long time - while Mike was Skipping. Then Reid decided to Skip his own team, and brought Mike along when Mike's team broke up.
I honestly believe the problem is their friendship - each is too nice, and is afraid to override the other... and the result is that the team has no leader.
__________________
"It is easy in the world to live after the world's opinion; it is easy in solitude to live after our own... but the great man is he who, in the midst of the crowd, keeps with perfect sweetness the independence of solitude." ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
02-11-20 12:49PM |
|
Sean
Administrator
Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 1992 |
Personally, I think the problem is that there are too many dominant personalities on the team. Colin and Derek always feel the need to provide input or negative commentary to every shot. Add Reid and Mike's personalities and something needs to change in their team dynamic. They're a good team, but they need a team meeting on how to best communicate with each other. Calling timeouts to discuss at length the placement of guards that would be within a foot of each other and then missing the shot, is not a good look.
The Einarson/Sweeting duo works well because Val is a more shy person and picks her moments as to when to provide her input; which allows Kerri to skip how she wants and feel like she's in control of things.
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
02-11-20 12:58PM |
|
hogged again
Drawmaster
Registered: Mar 2019
Location:
Posts: 659 |
quote: Originally posted by On The Nose
^ Not true. Reid is no worse than any of his peers. He was doing quite well in the 2 or 3 years he was Skipping his own team, before Mike came aboard. Before that, he was a quality Second.
The problem is not with the quality or calibre of anyone on the team, it's purely with the dynamic of the team.
When Reid was Skipping (before Mike came along), the dynamic was really good.
This isn't to say that either Reid or Mike are bad guys - not at all. They're both high quality curlers, and probably nice guys. It's just that they don't have a good dynamic when playing together.
Never said he wasn't good, but he is not elite. Even when he was skipping he was good but 2nd tier. McEwen can shoot with anyone, he proved that a few years back when his team was dominant on the cash circuit. Carruthers is just not in the same league as Fry, Nichols, Kennedy, Neufeld or Moulding. I've seen him play plenty of games and while they can put up a 90%+ game he is a 80% guy and his misses are bad misses.
Last edited by hogged again on 02-11-20 at 01:09PM
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
02-11-20 01:30PM |
|
misty1
Supreme Champion!
Registered: Sep 2011
Location:
Posts: 6002 |
quote: Originally posted by hogged again
Never said he wasn't good, but he is not elite. Even when he was skipping he was good but 2nd tier. McEwen can shoot with anyone, he proved that a few years back when his team was dominant on the cash circuit. Carruthers is just not in the same league as Fry, Nichols, Kennedy, Neufeld or Moulding. I've seen him play plenty of games and while they can put up a 90%+ game he is a 80% guy and his misses are bad misses.
moulding is not in the same grooup as neufeld, nichols and fry. i wouldnt even rate moulding in on the same level as carruthers. he misses more than reid does . the only difference is bottcher is one of the best in the game at calling a plan b and getting the most out of mistakes. which he has to do a lot in moulding's case. bottcher makes moulding look a lot better than he is.
i often say bottcher wins in spite of moulding rather than because of him
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
02-12-20 01:47AM |
|
On The Nose
Drawmaster
Registered: Apr 2014
Location: In the House
Posts: 608 |
quote: Originally posted by misty1
moulding is not in the same grooup as neufeld, nichols and fry. i wouldnt even rate moulding in on the same level as carruthers. he misses more than reid does . the only difference is bottcher is one of the best in the game at calling a plan b and getting the most out of mistakes. which he has to do a lot in moulding's case. bottcher makes moulding look a lot better than he is.
i often say bottcher wins in spite of moulding rather than because of him
Darren may not be as smooth as the others, and he's not the best of the bunch, but he's a quality thrower who has his place among the elite gang.
His greatest value, though, is his personality. He's so raw and genuine... He's the extrovert on a team of introverts - and it all works excellently.
And Bottcher is mature well beyond his years.
As bad as the dynamic is on the McEwen/Carruthers team, it's just about perfect on the Bottcher team. They have the best dynamic and chemistry of all the elite teams.
__________________
"It is easy in the world to live after the world's opinion; it is easy in solitude to live after our own... but the great man is he who, in the midst of the crowd, keeps with perfect sweetness the independence of solitude." ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
Last edited by On The Nose on 02-12-20 at 01:50AM
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
02-12-20 12:01PM |
|
curlerbroad
Super Rockchucker
Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Toronto
Posts: 2668 |
Truer words never spoken ML. Should Team Howard's vice and front end not deliver and leave the Grand Yoda circus shots, then Team McEwen could very well beat them...should be a good match.
__________________
Well Behaved Women Don't Make History.
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
|
All times are GMT. The time now is . |
|
|
|
|
|
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
|
HTML code is OFF
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
|
|
|
|
|
|