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Just had a chance to watch the replay of That Curling Show from 5 days ago. Great discussion on the MD debacle with perspective from many players directly involved. Like the frankness of both Tucks. It’s 5 days later and still no announcement yet. Mike Harris summed it up on the show, tear off the bandaid already and just pick one.

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A couple of excellent posts. It does seem social media and forums like this brings out the "I am so right and you are so wrong" attitude in people.

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A couple of excellent posts. It does seem social media and forums like this brings out the "I am so right and you are so wrong" attitude in people.

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It also brings out the “hey they are probably doing their best, no one can criticize them” attitude in people, which is equally as troublesome.

CC isn’t above criticism. They planned an Olympic trials amidst a pandemic for late December, gave themselves no room for a postponement, had no plan of who would qualify in the event there was a postponement, and now have dragged out the decision to within weeks of the Olympics.

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I agree that the one really valid question for Curling Canada is to ask if a contingency plan was considered, and if not, how that could be given the state of the world for the last two years (was there resistance/lack of agreement/failure to find an equitable alternative or selection method, were there outside parties who had to approve given that it's the Olympics and those parties would not, was it actually not considered, etc.). It could be that multiple contingency plans were proposed but couldn't be agreed, and that the same factors stopping those plans might equally be impacting this decision. I think it's right to ask the questions but while remembering we don't know everything.

But I have to say I find it really implausible that nothing would have ever been considered (although it is a possibility, and it would be a shocking failure if true).

There's also plenty of other shortcomings about the state of mixed doubles, more generally, that will hopefully be addressed in the next quadrennial, and I think that's a fair discussion to have once the priority of this decision has passed.

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Homan/Morris confirmed.

https://www.curling.ca/blog/2022/01...off-to-beijing/

That Curling Show interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKOlN0rHNF4

Bob Weeks interview: https://www.tsn.ca/john-morris-rach...ubles-1.1745087

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This always seemed like what they wanted to do anyway, no?

In the end, it's their choice - but I find it hard to argue against an argument I read today that Homan has competed in one mixed doubles event in the last two years (according to the Canadian mixed doubles individual detail). I just looked it up - she does have a second event she has credit for two years and seven days ago, which makes that 'one' a bit of a pedantic point, although I'm not sure 'two' changes the argument really.

How odd is it that the Homan team can't represent Ontario because an import from Alberta can't play with them?

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an import from Alberta

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Rachel is not a Team Homan import player from Alberta. Rachel is an Ontario birthright player.

The import player in Team Homan is Joanne Courtney.

I'm aware that provincialism is big in Canadian curling, but that does not excuse people from making erroneous claims.

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AS for the plight of Martin/Griffith, something is rotten in the state of Curling Canada. 2 weeks of secrecy you knew it wasn’t going to turn out well. Curling Canada just took them out on the playground and beat them up for their lunch money. I guess agree with the posters here that say why bother implementing a points system for just such an occasion, only to circumvent your own rules and pick the popular kids from the playground instead.

Having said that, still behind Homan and Morris. Go Canada Go.

Martin and Griffith stay healthy. You still may go.

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This is a ****ing joke. This decision makes no sense at all

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From CBC.
In the end, Curling Canada used what they're calling a "weighted ranking system" — using three relevant factors to rank the remaining eligible teams for nomination purposes.

Those three factors included:

Final CMDR standings for the 2022 Canadian Mixed Doubles Curling Trials.
International competitive experience at the Olympic Games and World Curling Championships.
Combined win/loss percentages of individual players in mixed doubles games during the trials qualifying period (March 15, 2019 to December 14, 2021).
Through this process Homan and Morris got the nod.
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SN article says Homan/Morris have won 4 of the last 6 MD bonspiels they played and 45 of their last 49 games. Those are pretty impressive numbers.
This was the obvious choice because it was the safest choice for the people picking. You have the defending gold medal MD player along with top women's skip/shooter in Canada and both are big names in curling so win or lose the choice can be easily defended.
I think CC made the right call but still waiting for them to own the whole debacle and apologize to the curlers whose Olympic dreams they denied due to faulty planning. They should, but they won't.
Go Canada Go!!!!!

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This was always going to be the decision. The defending Olympic champion in this event, two players who have won multiple Canadian Championships, won a world championship, countless slams, etc.

It was never going to be Martin/Griffith. With respect to them (and I do mean that - it’s brutal to not have the chance to compete to go to the Olympics, and they’ve worked hard to focus on MD and are very good curlers) they don’t have near the accomplishments in curling as Homan and Morris.

Plus curling is one of the Canadian premier Winter Olympics sports for TV (especially so with no men’s NHL players going). They were going to send names that the general public recognizes.

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This was always going to be the decision. The defending Olympic champion in this event, two players who have won multiple Canadian Championships, won a world championship, countless slams, etc.

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This is right. I said earlier that this was all about the long game of trying to figure out how to not pick Nancy Griffith.

I still believe that's what it was. I mean, CC clearly felt that Griffith/Martin had the worst chance of medaling out of all the possible options - so this was all about figuring out how to avoid that, despite the fact that the metric they made just pointed to them over and over again.

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The only problem with this selection is that anything less than a gold medal will make it look like a wrong decision.

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So Hollie Duncan goes to the Scotties instead of Homan's team. Because Sask. played their provincials and Ontario didn't Carey gets extra points and passes Rachel's team in the CTRS rankings and so goes to the wild card game. So far the rest of Homan's team looks like they are getting kinda the worst deal from CurlOn.

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The only problem with this selection is that anything less than a gold medal will make it look like a wrong decision.

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So Hollie Duncan goes to the Scotties instead of Homan's team. Because Sask. played their provincials and Ontario didn't Carey gets extra points and passes Rachel's team in the CTRS rankings and so goes to the wild card game. So far the rest of Homan's team looks like they are getting kinda the worst deal from CurlOn.

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So Hollie Duncan goes to the Scotties instead of Homan's team. Because Sask. played their provincials and Ontario didn't Carey gets extra points and passes Rachel's team in the CTRS rankings and so goes to the wild card game. So far the rest of Homan's team looks like they are getting kinda the worst deal from CurlOn.

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Who knows. Curling Canada might freeze all points earned in provincial playdowns, not allowing them to be used, or they may add 3 Wildcard teams like last year.

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I personally feel that the rankings are used to determine who qualifies for the Trials and and not necessarily to determine who the best team in the country/world is. From this standpoint, CC made the best decision as Homan/Morris will probably give us a slightly better chance to win a medal in Mixed Doubles.

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I won't be able to cheer for our mixed doubles representatives. It is strange. I blur my vision and scroll past any mention of them. I guess that is an emotional reaction. I will cheer for Team Jones and Team Gushue though. As curling fans, we just lost in the age old shell game. I just hope that the teams that had the highest ranking receive some benefit for all of their time, investment, and talent. They are owed. Yes. Let's hear what they receive for their achievement.

Just saw the H/M baby pics tweeted. I will try to come around - but meh. very disappointed.

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I disagree with the decision to send Homan and Morris and the selection stinks of favouritism.

When considering previous Olympic experience, Morris would appear to be a strong choice as he and Lawes won gold in mixed doubles at the last Olympics. Homan did not play in the doubles competition and her team performance at the Olympics was quite poor.

Having said that, emphasis on past experience is not something I believe should be given significant weight, On paper, both players should be strong contenders but curling is not based on past accomplishments rather we see success formulate through current performances.

Who are the strongest teams today. If they could not make a determination through that evaluation then they should have looked at overall experience. Who are the teams that have played mixed doubles events over the last four years and consistently finished well. Do Homan and Morris have international experience in Mixed Doubles? Have they medaled as a team in Mixed Double world competitions?

Name recognition is not everything in the Olympics, Every games we learn the names of those who were previously unknown and who have risen to the challenge the games have presented and performed in a manner to make us all proud.

I cannot cheer for a team that I believe was gifted with a spot over teams that were more deserving.

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