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If you watch enough mixed doubles games (especially from the pre-Olympics-era) you'll eventually get used to the unique team dynamics. In fact, this is one reason why I like mixed doubles in the first place.

Even Martin/Griffith fight on the ice occasionally. This one from 2020 QMDCC against Homan/Morris does not use profane language, but I would argue is bad from traditional team dynamics point of view, and also from the men vs women perspective (Griffith tried to involve Morris to gang up against Martin).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrCoGjnqlJU&t=2m30s
"Play the shot you want to play! I don't care! I'll get your opinion after this one, Johnny! (grumbling) because I don't think this is possible..."

I'm saying this not to say that Martin/Griffith has bad team dynamics, I'm saying that these things happen a lot in mixed doubles. Sometimes I wish I know Norwegian and Swiss German, to better appreciate the experience of watching the other 2 medal teams from 2018, Skasklien/Nedregotten and Perret/Rios.

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It’s comical how late this is.. 24 days until first game and no one knows who’s going.

Good thing none of the potential athletes have families or jobs that might require a bit of notice if they are going to take off to China for a few weeks.

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It’s comical how late this is.. 24 days until first game and no one knows who’s going.

Good thing none of the potential athletes have families or jobs that might require a bit of notice if they are going to take off to China for a few weeks.

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Any idea why?

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Best complete guess is that there is a hierarchy in case of illness. For example we appoint:
Team A
If they get Covid Team B
If they get Covid Team C

And remember, the requirements to get into China are not a piece of cake. The Multiple PCR tests far in advance can be tough to pass if you were sick, as PCR can pick up lingering virus particles, even if they are already dead.

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Also something else to think about. You need a special visa to go to China. To get it you have to send your passport when you apply and in my case it took a couple of weeks to receive back with the Visa.

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Any idea why?

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Originally posted by shirleyc Also something else to think about. You need a special visa to go to China. To get it you have to send your passport when you apply and in my case it took a couple of weeks to receive back with the Visa.

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Prediction for Post Olympics:

If Canada doesn't win gold, this decision making process will be the issue. If they do win gold, then the people in this thread will mostly give no credit on the decision, and say that while X won gold, Y should have gone instead.

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I just want a decision as to who is going. Not to be critical. And wish them all the best and know they will do their best.

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Also something else to think about. You need a special visa to go to China. To get it you have to send your passport when you apply and in my case it took a couple of weeks to receive back with the Visa.

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I agree but I’d bet the farm that the players who are going already know. It’s just the fans that are being kept in the dark.

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You may be right. They probably contacted 5 teams to see who was available, who wasn’t positive, who might not qualify for the Scottie’s, who might even want to go to China, which would affect many md teams. I just think it’s crazy if they appoint Homan Morris, that the rest of team Homan can’t go to the Scottie’s for Ontario. Let the team pick a replacement instead of penalizing the rest of the team because their skip accepted an invitation to represent her country. What Is curlon thinking putting that caveat on the nomination of team Homan. Scr@ws the rest of the team if she goes. Doesn’t seem fair to me. Maybe curlon should have been in contact with CC and vice versa before either announcement was/is made.

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I don’t know.

You know what this all feels like? A long game of desperately trying to figure out a good reason to skip the Nancy Martin team.

I mean, I get it, they’re not who CC thinks has the best chance, but this feels like the exact reason you’d have those ratings in your back pocket.

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I don’t know.

You know what this all feels like? A long game of desperately trying to figure out a good reason to skip the Nancy Martin team.

I mean, I get it, they’re not who CC thinks has the best chance, but this feels like the exact reason you’d have those ratings in your back pocket.

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We can't claim that CTRS is flawed (with regards to wildcard play-in game for Scotties/Brier) and in the same breath claim that CMDR is perfect (with regards to sending a team to the Olympics).

Don't confuse the goal with the mean to reach that goal.

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Figure skating just made a controversial team selection. But they did it within a day of their championship. They were also able to hold their national championships in Ottawa. Why the delay for Curling Canada?

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Maybe future olympics should have 4 person teams play first, then mixed doubles. Then it would be less controversial to have overlap between 4 person / MD players.

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I’ll say that the reporting on this MD team has been pretty modest in my opinion. In every major sport there are insiders who seek scoops/tips from sources and report. Curling reporters (and I appreciate there aren’t many) seem content to just wait until an official decision is made rather than digging and breaking the news. There’s obviously a very short list of teams in consideration, if the decision hasn’t been made yet, yet we don’t know.

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The range of opinions only serves to outline how subjective this decision is. Some people argue process + integrity = CTRS above all else, for Martin/Griffith, despite the fact it's a poor measuring stick loosely monitored for trials qualification and no more. Others think the best choice is a team that wouldn't have even been in the trials, Peterman/Gallant, going against 4-years of process because "they're good and they're already going." Others want Morris and Homan because they're Morris and Homan, experience, credentials, etc., regardless of current form. Others want Einarson/Jacobs because Einarson is the defending Canadian champion, even though the two as a pair have never played a game together. Others have other choices which are wrong.

There are some serious practical implications like passports/VISAs as mentioned by a previous poster. I don't even Curling Canada, and it's probably tougher than we all realize for reasons we aren't even thinking about. Maybe none of the teams above can even get clearance in time beyond Peterman/Gallant, and this whole delay is a ploy to act as if there was no other choice. Or maybe there's nothing sinister behind it at all and it's just complicated. It isn't always a matter of politics or incompetency as so many observers seem to exclusively consider.

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You could always just decide to not send any mixed doubles team at all.

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The range of opinions only serves to outline how subjective this decision is. Some people argue process + integrity = CTRS above all else, for Martin/Griffith, despite the fact it's a poor measuring stick loosely monitored for trials qualification and no more. Others think the best choice is a team that wouldn't have even been in the trials, Peterman/Gallant, going against 4-years of process because "they're good and they're already going." Others want Morris and Homan because they're Morris and Homan, experience, credentials, etc., regardless of current form. Others want Einarson/Jacobs because Einarson is the defending Canadian champion, even though the two as a pair have never played a game together. Others have other choices which are wrong.

There are some serious practical implications like passports/VISAs as mentioned by a previous poster. I don't even Curling Canada, and it's probably tougher than we all realize for reasons we aren't even thinking about. Maybe none of the teams above can even get clearance in time beyond Peterman/Gallant, and this whole delay is a ploy to act as if there was no other choice. Or maybe there's nothing sinister behind it at all and it's just complicated. It isn't always a matter of politics or incompetency as so many observers seem to exclusively consider.

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Perfect post. But this forum suffers from a real case of nasty ego-trippers. The tone here is downright hostile nearly all the time and everyone is a genius who sees the simple, obvious and common-sense answer to every problem. Except all these geniuses don’t agree. Somehow despite that it never occurs to them that the issue isn’t actualy that simple, obvious or common sense.

We’ll see what the decision is and, more importantly, how it is explained. Then we can judge. But if it is well reasoned then it is “right” even if not perfect or the team doesn’t so much as win a game. If it is not well reasoned then it’s fair game for criticism. Likewise, the “delay” in announcing may or may not be an actual delay and may be any number of practical reasons that may or may not be valid.

We’d all do well to keep our mouths shut and stop declaring ourselves geniuses and CC morons when we don’t even know what’s going on. And maybe be a bit nicer to the other people here since we are all just hobbyists who presumably just want to have some fun chats about curling.

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Nice post. I was hoping that the tone of this forum would improve with the elimination of ML and fresca. It has but it is still rather hostile. Maybe the nature of the beast.

The Olympics are looming. I suspect the decision on the MD reps has already been made and the parties are being contacted in the appropriate order ahead of the public announcement.

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