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are there any legal implications of posting someones internet address without permission?

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No, there are no legal rammifications in posting IP addresses on a public forum. As Statman pointed out before, many sports forums display everyone's IP addresses with their post, regardless of whether they're registered or not.

FYI, public display of one's IP address is not a big deal, really. It doesnt tell administrators much anyhow. It can tell you roughly where a person is located (if you know what IP ranges correspond to what geographic locations)...but for the most part, that is about as far as you could trace an IP address. IP addresses aren't quite the "digital thumbprint" everyone thought they were a few years ago...not a big deal.

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there is a lot of negativity towards cbc and cca out there being posted by unregistered. are there a lot or just a vocal few? registering would answer that question.

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there is a lot of negativity towards cbc and cca out there being posted by unregistered. are there a lot or just a vocal few? registering would answer that question.

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The reason I do not register is that I worry about my e-mail being let ot to spamm? If the site were hacked would all the regisrtation info be available to the hackers hackers? I know curlingzone is not Paris Hilton's cell phone but I still worry.

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The reason I do not register is that I worry about my e-mail being let out to spamm? If the site were hacked would all the registration info be available to the hackers? I know curlingzone is not Paris Hilton's cell phone but I still worry.

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The reason I do not register is that I worry about my e-mail being let out to spamm? If the site were hacked would all the registration info be available to the hackers? I know curlingzone is not Paris Hilton's cell phone but I still worry.

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The reason I do not register is that I worry about my e-mail being let out to spamm? If the site were hacked would all the registration info be available to the hackers? I know curlingzone is not Paris Hilton's cell phone but I still worry.

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I agree that unregistered should be limited. I like a lot of the suggestions posted by Tennsky and by Statman, among others to limit the ability to start topics.

I've used BB's for a long while, and moderate on one. I must admit though, that the vitriol and nastyness of many of the posts on this site made me think twice about posting at all on this forum. I can't believe how uncharitable and defensive many of the post are. Mind you, that's not just the unregistered ones, but at least I'd know who was behind the offending posts.

All that registering does is identify your posts with the account you have set up. It doesn't identify the individual. I see no legitmate privacy protection issue, personally.

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IP addresses are now being shown in the bottom right hand corner of the posts for Unregistered members who post. If you're a registered member, your IP address will not be shown.

Maybe some measure of your identity is now being protected by giving yourself an identity.

Now, atleast you can figure out whether posts are being made by one person, or several people.

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I'm suprised you are able to go out of the house during the day. Come on, that is the lamest excuse I've ever heard. You are far more likely to be mugged or have your credit cards stolen than have this site hacked and then have your precious registration info given to anyone who would be remotely interested in it.

Besides you can literally make up any info you put in the CZ registration form. Many obviously have.

Talk about living in a cocoon!

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wow, people need to relax about this "I don't want ppl to have my email" stuff. I highly doubt hackers will be even entertaining the thought for this site. I personally don't think that unregistered guest should be allowed to post except perhaps in the pit. I am new to this site, but have noticed alot of the crap on it. On the other hand I have seen the great discussions too, although I have found them sometimes hard to follow due to ppl, mainly guests, making sliiy comments which are unnecessary. I recall yesterday reading a thread that was basically two guys whinning like ten yr olds that one hurt the other's feelings and was a bad sport all around. Yet these two individuals were members. So obviously we can't eliminate all the dumb remarks. but i definitly think by not allowing guests to post will ensure more "smart" talk rather than "small" talk. Since I have seen time and time again that everyone appears to bash down what others say, I'm ready for. I have broad shoulders I can take it. LOL

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"Wanker!" Now there's a very British term. Do you have any idea what it means?

One of the reasons I'd like to see some control on posts, is so that I don't get called a wanker by some anonymous non-entity like you.

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Mmmmm....And you complain about unregistered guests being rude/ taking cheap shots? I just hate sorting through spam email. I do not have a hotmail/yahoo account that I use to register for this stuff. So I like to keep my email private..big deal!! Now I think the best reason not to register is to be sure never to get an email from wankers like you.

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"Wanker!" Now there's a very British term. Do you have any idea what it means?

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I would agree with having only registered users posting.

I used to be an unregistered user for many of the same reasons that have already been voiced (waste of time, keeping my email private, etc.) Now that I've registered I realized that those concerns weren't as big of an issue as I thought (it only takes 5 minutes, my email address doesn't get much spam and none of it is from CZ, and if this still bothers you then create a ficticious spam accoun). Besides, if you don't like taking time to sign up and are concerned about spam ... then just enjoy reading the posts.

Here is why I think people should be registered.

#1 - minimize rude comments. People are less likely to make rude comments if they can be identified. Also, it is easier to tell if it is the same one person making all of the rude comments, or if it is several people.

#2 - it's earier to have intelligent debates if you know that you are debating with 1 or 2 registered useres as opposed to 1,2,3 or who knows how many unregistered users.

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I agree, Deucey. Don't know why one wouldn't want to have some sort of a 'handle'....much easier to reply.

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I note that as as of Dec 1st InTheHack will allow posts by registered members only.

Does CZ have any plans in that direction, especially given the results of the poll above?

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Statman-someone who espouses freedom of the press should certainly want no part of limiting free speech by forcing everyone to be registered posters.

Sad to see ITH going that way because of a few thin-skinned people who want to control the things that are said. As for the poll, 56% don't want strictly registered only posters. Glad to see CZ not going ITH's route.

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Every website on the internet should have registered only posting.
A person could join CZ and call themselves anything, pick a name out of the dictionary, what the hell is the difference.
I would rather respond too someone with a nic than a unregistered name.

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the thing is though-if a fake nickname is no different that an unregistered post then why all the uproar?

If you're going to force registration on posters, then make it be in their own name, and the site has to verify their identity. Otherwise, as long as anyone can fake an ID, it's a useless enterprise.

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Well 204.50.255.102, where do I start, except to say that George Orwell would be proud of you.

I have a name, so do you (I think!). When does having a name (in this case a nickname or a "handle") limit your freedom of speech? It in no way limits when or what you can post. That’s always up to you. Any limits are entirely of your own making and level of intestinal fortitude.

Indeed, registering and using a nickname or a handle promotes freedom of speech in that users can follow who is saying what to who, rather than the chaos that often ensues here when a bunch of unregistereds square off or start sniping at registered members.

You can also ignore a particular poster, if they offend you or get on your nerves. You can't do that if 99% of the posts are from unregistereds.

Besides, by posting as an "unregistered" you provide far more information than those who register and use a nickname since your URL (204.50.255.102) shows up in bottom right hand corner. Your URL can be tracked back to your service provider; and even the path a packet (your message) took to get here can be ascertained.

So you see it’s far more oriented to freedom of speech if you register.

How are things in Vernon, BC?

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Statman-someone who espouses freedom of the press should certainly want no part of limiting free speech by forcing everyone to be registered posters.

Sad to see ITH going that way because of a few thin-skinned people who want to control the things that are said. As for the poll, 56% don't want strictly registered only posters. Glad to see CZ not going ITH's route.

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Thanks Statman, for doing an eloquent job of proving my point. And I take your comment about Orwell as a compliment (rather than how you really intended it to be). There are few writers who were better at pointing out the dangers of censoring and controlling people than he was.

Registered or unregistered really doesn't matter-you yourself use a nickname instead of your own name. Whether you hide behind a nickname or as unregistered makes no difference when anyone can:
1) quickly get themselves a free e-mail and then;
2) set up a false identity/nickname on any BB claiming to be whomever they choose

Plus, you can already do the same things whether you are registered or not. CZ posts the IP number so you can always use that to ID various unregistered posters and identify the location of the service provider which may, or may not, give you some indication of where the writer resides. Moderators can also use that IP number to delete or block the posts as well.

Additionally, you can also ignore posts you don't like by not responding to them. That's far more effective at getting them to go away-because you're not giving them the reaction they want.

But all that aside the reality is people feel more free to post if they don't have to give any name if they so choose-are you required to identify yourself everytime you open your mouth? of course not. Restricting posters to only registered ones is a form of censorship. But because you can get around that with a false ID you can't truly call it such.

I'll say it again-do you truly want to know who the poster is on every single post? Then no nicknames-its just a double standard. Have every poster register their real name and lets go from there.

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Thanks, Mr. S. from Vernon, for giving me the opportunity to put you right again.

Apparently the above poll numbers and even the moderators at ITH disagree with you. Any chat forum is better, has a higher quality of posts, and is less likely to suffer from flamers and trolls if people have to logon with a user name, nickname, handle, or what have you.

It also gives a chat forum more of a sense of community when people use some sort of nickname or handle.

Besides membership should have its privileges. Non-members should of course be allowed to look at posts, but they certainly shouldn’t be starting threads or even posting anywhere but a general thread such as “Rock Talk.”

CZ is a one of a minority of chat forums which continues to allow all and sundry to post. Most established forums, who want to promote a sense of community, and provide members with certain perks, do not allow unregistereds to post.

There are really no good arguments for not requiring a login.

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Thanks Statman, for doing an eloquent job of proving my point. And I take your comment about Orwell as a compliment (rather than how you really intended it to be). There are few writers who were better at pointing out the dangers of censoring and controlling people than he was.

Registered or unregistered really doesn't matter-you yourself use a nickname instead of your own name. Whether you hide behind a nickname or as unregistered makes no difference when anyone can:
1) quickly get themselves a free e-mail and then;
2) set up a false identity/nickname on any BB claiming to be whomever they choose

Plus, you can already do the same things whether you are registered or not. CZ posts the IP number so you can always use that to ID various unregistered posters and identify the location of the service provider which may, or may not, give you some indication of where the writer resides. Moderators can also use that IP number to delete or block the posts as well.

Additionally, you can also ignore posts you don't like by not responding to them. That's far more effective at getting them to go away-because you're not giving them the reaction they want.

But all that aside the reality is people feel more free to post if they don't have to give any name if they so choose-are you required to identify yourself everytime you open your mouth? of course not. Restricting posters to only registered ones is a form of censorship. But because you can get around that with a false ID you can't truly call it such.

I'll say it again-do you truly want to know who the poster is on every single post? Then no nicknames-its just a double standard. Have every poster register their real name and lets go from there.

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Keep going Stats-nothing like a fun debate. However, as the numbers in the poll clearly indicate-some 56% want the unregistered posts to stay versus 43% that don't. Granted that's adding two questions together-but both want the unregistered to stay(in one form or another) as opposed to gone.

I'll give you this-let's see what happens on ITH. If the number of posts goes up then I'll say you were right-if not then you would have to admit you were wron...oh wait, what am I saying? That would never happen-LOLOL

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Yes, we'll see. Although postings generally drop at least in the beginning when a required login is initiated. We might need to give it six months or so to get a definitive trend.

As to your use of stats, I can only say that: "The only statistics you can trust are those you have falsified yourself." (Sir Winston Churchill)

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Keep going Stats-nothing like a fun debate. However, as the numbers in the poll clearly indicate-some 56% want the unregistered posts to stay versus 43% that don't. Granted that's adding two questions together-but both want the unregistered to stay(in one form or another) as opposed to gone.

I'll give you this-let's see what happens on ITH. If the number of posts goes up then I'll say you were right-if not then you would have to admit you were wron...oh wait, what am I saying? That would never happen-LOLOL

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