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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MeaghanEdwards

Nailed it. I'll support them no matter what, too; I really think Canadians are spoiled with far too many expectations and know little about what it takes to play at these events. They're a sad lot unfortunately (the fans that is) and their tendency to take their frustrations out on the *teams* is tantamount to tantrums. [/QUOTE

Wow! Who appointed you the forum psychiatrist? Many fans are extremely knowledgable. We lived through the deficits that Dave Parkes ran up, the few years that Stremlaw tried to be the saviour who couldn't say no to Warren Hansen and then the every declining years of Henderson. We know exactly what percent of our dues get sent to inept provincial associations. We know how much the Cdn govt doles out to sports organizations. Our expectations for Canadian curlers to win everything declined about the same time we gave up hoping we would win the Stanley Cup. No tantrum, just reality.

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I want Curling Canada to invest in more sports psychology support BECAUSE I believe the events are too high pressure for Canadian curlers.

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Sports psychologist

The state of curling in Canada is just fine by and large
We have a very large country geographically speaking
There is curling in every province sea to sea
For politically correct reasons someone in their wisdom has decided to include three separate territories in the Scottie and and brier
They will get this straightened out
Some will always find a way to circumvent the rules, like those three seniors from Ontario who represented PEI or Holmans team
Do you think that Gushue has or needs a sports psychologist?
It took him 4 years to build the team he has, and the results are evident in the last 4 years
You could throw a blanket over Moat, Edin and Gushue and most likely one would win 4 games, the others 3
And there are another three teams in Canada who on a given day could beat Gushue. And another 3 who are close
Let’s not panic!! Every sport is constantly in a state of flux
The women are in tough right now, but I have no doubt that things will change
Right now Tirinzoni, Hassellborg and Muirhead are at the top of the heap. The Asian group and Canada are close
That doesn’t mean they can’t win
You don’t have to look any farther than John Shuster. No knowledgeable curler would have given them a snow ball’s chance in hell of winning a gold medal
Grow the game at the grass roots. Those dedicated curlers will find a way to win
They will do it through forming a TEAM. They will do it by honing their craft and hard work

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Sports psychologist

Do you think that Gushue has or needs a sports psychologist?

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In the SUI vs CAN round robin game, 3rd end, the umpire was called on to declare if the first rock of the end is in the No-Tick Zone. A carpenter's speed square was used, and you can see that the rock was not in NTZ. In other words, it was legal to tick it aside, because it was not biting center line.

However, for whatever reason, both TSN and WCF commentators, who couldn't hear the verbal ruling from the umpire, thought that the rock was declared to be in NTZ.

Later, on the fourth rock of the end, SUI accidentally wrecks on the center guard, ticking it aside and rolling the shooter into the house.

Had they not asked for the umpire to make the declaration 2 rocks earlier, there would have been room to question the legality of that accidental tick shot.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is something that Dean Gemmell suggested years ago: umpires in curling need gestures, ala baseball. They already have some gestures during measurements, i.e. all of them point at which rock is closer. He thinks there's room for more gestures. I agree with him, and this scenario would've been one where a gesture would've clarified to everyone watching whether the rock was declared to be in NTZ or not.

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I stand corrected. Just goes to sho you are never to old to learn something
I stand by my other remarks. TEAM trumps all else
We should not panic.
I will add one more thing. When you lose control of a situation like Canadian hockey teams have you see the results
Little doubt that the nhl under bettman is a financial success, but at what cost?
Let’s not let that happen to curling

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If there's already technology like Hawkeye that can immediately and accurately measure where a tennis ball nearly 200 kph in three dimensions landed, then surely there's a way to determine exactly where a curling stone at rest lies?

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It wouldn’t be that difficult to do, the question is does it really out perform a $2 carpenter square?

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If there's already technology like Hawkeye...

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It wouldn’t be that difficult to do, the question is does it really out perform a $2 carpenter square?

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So through 5 draws under the no tick rule we have seen 6 games that bring up the dreaded "boring" scenario that necessitated the no-tick rule: extra-end or tied in the 10th. Of those 6...5 were won by team with hammer. Giving us an 83% victory for the hammer team, basically exactly the same % as without the no-tick rule.

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Pretty small sample size there

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Isn't that the best kind of change you'd want in a sport? (i.e. increasing the entertainment value without changing who wins and who loses)?

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A simple remedy would be, you can’t move a rock in the free guard zone until you have or have had a rock in the house.
And no moving until at least the 4th rock of the end.
Guarantees an opportunity for at least one guard each if wanted.

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Just go all in and adopt mixed doubles rules. Take the first stone away from the leads and guarantee a guard. Makes the games faster and more fan friendly. And give teams the power play too, for even more excitement! Now we're playing with power!

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My crazy idea to improve curling (please don't kill me) is to have a neutral black stone placed as a center guard at the beginning of every end.

The black stone does not belong to either team. It does not score if it's in the house. If an end concludes with only the black stone in the house, it's considered a blanked end.

If a team removes the black stone out of play, that team receives -1 point penalty. It's expected that purposeful removal of the black stone becomes part of strategy, i.e. it's not against the rules to deliberately remove the black stone out of play.

In an extra end, if the team with hammer removes the black stone, it must score 2 to win. Scoring only 1 will trigger a double extra end due to the -1 point penalty, and hammer switches to opposite team.

Just for fun, we can make the black stone bigger and heavier than regular stones.

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Back to Worlds, another new lineup for the Japanese team today. Ishigooka in at lead, Matsumura at second, and Suzuki is the alternate.

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Ishigooka

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Is there an audio clip we can send to commentators so they know how to pronounce her name? I'm pretty sure that's 5 syllables (i.e. "O-O" are two separate syllables, like "Uh-oh!"), but commentators have been saying it as 4 syllables (i.e. "OO" like "Boo!").

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In practice, it is in fact pronounced as a single long "oo" sound as those announcers are doing

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Is there an audio clip we can send to commentators so they know how to pronounce her name? I'm pretty sure that's 5 syllables (i.e. "O-O" are two separate syllables, like "Uh-oh!"), but commentators have been saying it as 4 syllables (i.e. "OO" like "Boo!").

Vic Rauter also says Ikue as i-Koe, like Kevin Koe but repackaged as an Apple product.

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a Canadian icon, like him or not

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I've yet to hear the announcer that gets every name perfect. Japanese commentators routinely mispronounce names of foreigners simply because the phonetic sounds don't exist in the language.

So long as I know who they're talking about, I'm willing to let name pronunciation slide if they know what they're talking about with regards to curling.

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For what it's worth, I do have aspiration of making a video of nothing but curlers pronouncing their own names, so commentators can use it as reference.

By the way, this issue isn't just limited to "foreign athletes". Most people can't even pronounce Gushue correctly.

https://twitter.com/BradGushue/stat...610303253827586

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Some pretty poor shots by Team Kitazawa in ends 7 and 8, but an absolute meltdown in the ninth. Despite missing just about every shot in the end, they still had a simple pocket to draw into for one, yet completely missed it to give up a steal of two.

What once seemed like a lock turns into being behind by one going into the last end.

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