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hailstone
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Originally posted by curlingclips
Well I'm going to call it "herding", then (for lack of better words).
"Collecting" is a better word.
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| 03-26-22 12:54AM |
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curlingclips
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So top 5 of this year's World Women's have only 2 European teams (SWE and SUI) and 3 Pan-Continental teams (KOR, CAN, USA).
This is significant! From my understanding of the rules going forward, this means that the 13th spot at 2023 World Women's will go to Pan-Continental zone! So instead of just 5 teams qualifying, it will be 6!
https://worldcurling.org/2021/09/pccc-introduction/
This is even the more reason why I think Canada should take advantage of its depth and send a different team to wear the Maple Leaf and represent Canada at Pan-Continental. I would love to see Andrea Crawford or Krista McCarville go instead of Kerri Einarson.
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| 03-26-22 01:09AM |
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curlingclips
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Originally posted by hailstone
"Collecting" is a better word.
In the case of Kerri Einarson against Anna Hasselborg, I can see that. Kerri slid down the ice to the away end to collect the undelivered hammer stone so it can join the other 15. Yep, that makes sense to me.
In the case of playing the first extra end coming home, all 16 stones are already "collected" together. There are no stray stones that need to be "collected". The issue is that the collection is located at the wrong location, at the home end instead of at the away end.
"Herding" makes more sense to me because it implies the importance of location, not just the completeness of membership.
English is not my first language, though, so take that for whatever it's worth.
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| 03-26-22 01:21AM |
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hailstone
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Originally posted by curlingclips
So top 5 of this year's World Women's have only 2 European teams (SWE and SUI) and 3 Pan-Continental teams (KOR, CAN, USA).
Why do you assume that "the top 5 of this year's World Women's" are decided by Round Robin play?
If Denmark becomes the World champion, wouldn't they have a claim to being "top 5 of this year's World Women's"?
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| 03-26-22 01:27AM |
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curlingclips
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Originally posted by hailstone
Why do you assume that "the top 5 of this year's World Women's" are decided by Round Robin play?
Fair point! I have not seen a detailed explanation of how the 13th team is selected, when the top 5 is evaluated, how to determine which zone performed better, etc.
There's room to suggest that in an alternate universe where only 2 European teams made playoff, but they won gold and silver, then maybe the European zone still outperformed Pan-Continental in the top 5, so the 13th spot would go to European zone.
My main point still stands, though. Even if only 5 teams qualify out of Pan-Continental, Canada should have no trouble of qualifying without sending Kerri Einarson again. Let Krista McCarville or Andrea Crawford have the honor to wear the Maple Leaf instead.
It's really really hard to get out of Canada. Now WCF has created a new event so 2 teams can get out of Canada in a year. It shouldn't automatically be the same team twice.
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| 03-26-22 08:59AM |
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dugless_zone 13
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Canada only gets one entry at the World's. Previously, say when the Men's World's were played in the United States, the US got the entry as the host country and Canada had to face off against a challenger, I think it was Brazil. Canada sent Glen Howard's team to play a best of 3 to qualify for the one spot even though they were not the entry for the World's.
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| 03-26-22 10:28AM |
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johnnysmoke
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Originally posted by hailstone
"Collecting" is a better word.
I call it "Come from Aways"
As in "Kerry, can you go take care of that "Come from Away".
Now some might not like the negative connotation. That somehow these rocks at the other end of the sheet are "unwanted" or or not welcome down at this end of the sheet.
It does accurately describe the state of those rocks. They are way down there and in order to get down "here" they would have to "come from away".
On the other hand, curling stones are, well, stones, so they don't inherently have feelings that could be hurt, unlike humans or cats.
So yes, taking care of the "come from aways" at the end of some curling games.
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| 03-26-22 11:24AM |
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I was in Lethbridge for the Brier where they had lifted all restrictions. Got home on the Monday night, started feeling terrible, tested Tuesday morning, was positive. Large unmasked non distanced crowd, there will be positive cases.
I was at the womens worlds from Saturday until Thursday, feeling bad Thursday evening, tested positive. As per Dugless, unmasked, non-distanced crowd leads to covid cases. Home now and isolating. COVID isn't done with us yet.
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| 03-26-22 11:37AM |
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MeaghanEdwards
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Originally posted by curlingclips
Fair point! I have not seen a detailed explanation of how the 13th team is selected, when the top 5 is evaluated, how to determine which zone performed better, etc.
There's room to suggest that in an alternate universe where only 2 European teams made playoff, but they won gold and silver, then maybe the European zone still outperformed Pan-Continental in the top 5, so the 13th spot would go to European zone.
My main point still stands, though. Even if only 5 teams qualify out of Pan-Continental, Canada should have no trouble of qualifying without sending Kerri Einarson again. Let Krista McCarville or Andrea Crawford have the honor to wear the Maple Leaf instead.
It's really really hard to get out of Canada. Now WCF has created a new event so 2 teams can get out of Canada in a year. It shouldn't automatically be the same team twice.
Only fair that the winner goes to Worlds.
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| 03-26-22 12:34PM |
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curlingclips
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Originally posted by MeaghanEdwards
Only fair that the winner goes to Worlds.
I wasn't talking about who goes to next year's 2023 World Women's. I was talking about who goes to 2022 Pan-Continental a few months from now.
https://twitter.com/CurlingCanada/s...717913105383435
"BREAKING - A new Pan-Continental Curling Championship has been approved by WCF Member Associations. Canada will compete at these events to qualify for world men’s and women’s championships."
https://twitter.com/CurlingCanada/s...726629632552965
(Q: "How will representatives be chosen to go to this event?")
"Ultimately TBD as this point in time. But we’ll be in consultation with all members of our high-performance teams to determine a process."
Let me ask you, MeaghanEdwards. Who do you think should represent Canada at 2022 Pan-Continental?
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| 03-26-22 01:47PM |
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I was at the womens worlds from Saturday until Thursday, feeling bad Thursday evening, tested positive. As per Dugless, unmasked, non-distanced crowd leads to covid cases. Home now and isolating. COVID isn't done with us yet.
Covid will always be around.
Unless they develop a vaccine that works.
We have to learn to live with it, not in fear of it.
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| 03-26-22 05:18PM |
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Originally posted by curlingclips
My main point still stands, though. Even if only 5 teams qualify out of Pan-Continental, Canada should have no trouble of qualifying without sending Kerri Einarson again. Let Krista McCarville or Andrea Crawford have the honor to wear the Maple Leaf instead.
It's really really hard to get out of Canada. Now WCF has created a new event so 2 teams can get out of Canada in a year. It shouldn't automatically be the same team twice.
No no no. First off, sending a team for what? Trying hard and never winning like McCarville? Or having 1 great run in about 8 Scotties like Crawford? or Birt or Mcewen or Epping or whoever. Second, having Curl Canada select a team to go just creates a politicking scenario where 1 team is happy and the rest feel shafted.
I would prefer a qualifying bonspiel to determine a winner otherwise send the world's team. You need to earn the Maple Leaf not be gifted it.
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| 03-26-22 05:44PM |
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curlingclips
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You need to earn the Maple Leaf not be gifted it.
I agree, although maybe I'm a bit more flexible on the exact definition of "earning" something.
For example, Matt Dunstone and Darcy Robertson wore the Maple Leaf at 2019 Curling World Cup via CTRS. I would say that was "earning" it, for sure.
https://www.curling.ca/blog/2019/01...cess-in-sweden/
"The Dunstone and Robertson teams were the top teams on the Canadian Team Ranking System that had no conflicts with the Skins Game or provincial championships."
Also in that article, there's precedent for giving the Maple Leaf to the runners up.
"Sahaidak and Lott, meanwhile, qualified as the runner-up team at the 2018 Canadian Mixed Doubles Championship."
I would have no problem in saying that Sahaidak/Lott "earned" it, even though they lost the Canadian final.
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| 03-26-22 06:21PM |
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curlingclips
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Catching up on SUI vs JPN. This is a fascinating game in terms of lineup. JPN of course played with 3 due to COVID. SUI started with their alternate Howald, but then brought Neunschwander in 5th after 10-1 lead.
Guess which player SUI decided to bench?
It was Pätz! Yes, that means that Tirinzoni threw last rocks!
Tirinzoni talked about this at the scrum. Even prior to their last game against GER, she said that she would sit out half the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUz2ZuFWFPo&t=2m10s
True to her words, Tirinzoni only threw 10 rocks in that 10 end game.
https://worldcurling.org/events/wwc...=1174&game=5104
This is probably the closest we've seen to a "true 5 person team" (however that is defined).
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| 03-26-22 07:30PM |
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NO offense to gushue’s similar shot to win the semi at the Brier but her shot by far is shot of the year. US still had a chance to win or force an extra end but sailed it through. A learning experience.
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oliviertoisel
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The semi S vs S is really the final.
Why? By what metric is Sweden clearly the second best team this week?
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curlingclips
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By what metric is Sweden clearly the second best team this week?
WCF/CurlIt Scoring Analysis uses some obscure metric to rank SWE at 2nd with +29. CAN is 3rd with +25.
SUI is 1st with +54, which is just truly insane, even if you discount the 12-1 victory against SCO.
https://world-curling-federation.s3...%20Analysis.pdf
I acknowledge that curling should not rely on points for/against differential to analyze team performance, though.
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| 03-26-22 08:26PM |
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hailstone
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The only metrics that matter are the ones used to officially rank the teams.
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| 03-26-22 08:58PM |
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WHAT A SHOT BY HASSELBORG. **** YEAH!!!
I imagine that was the last thing the Swiss wanted to see. Wish the semis were staggered so I could watch both.
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| 03-26-22 09:04PM |
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curlingclips
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Wish the semis were staggered so I could watch both.
If y'all don't mind WCF broadcast on Recast, y'all can watch both. Some of y'all might need VPN to get around geoblocking.
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oliviertoisel
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That 6th should be taught in curling school. Beautiful example of monstrously bad strategy from both sides.
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