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Would love all the top skips to make a super team. They’d be unbeatable

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Now that Nichols is recovered Gushue back to a 3 man team for next year?

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Kevin Martin announcing everything.

Matt Dunstone, BJ Neufeld, Colton Lott and Ryan Harnden curling out of Manitoba.

He says Kaitlyn Lawes, Selena Njegovan, Jocelyn Peterman and Kristin MacCuish in Manitoba.

He then speculated that Dana Ferguson and Rachelle Brown would be joining Homan as Sarah Wilkes is moving back to Ontario. She'll be in Ontario with Emma Miskew and Lisa Weagle, perhaps a new team but he was just spitballing...

https://podcast.sportsnet.ca/inside...s-and-shakeups/

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Holy crap it's hard to digest all of these changes! My first concern is the dynamics of the Botcher team. I never figured Ben and Botcher would be on the same team. The Koe team and Dunstone teams make sense to me although I feel bad that Sask will lose a great curler in Matty D. I think he was ready to part ways with Moskowy. So what about Geoff Walker? In my opinion he is a better lead than Karrick and especially Hebert. Where does he fit in on a team? So does this mean there is no Team Canada next year? One last impression. Kaitlyn Lawes is the biggest winner so far if these new teams do indeed start.

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That Dunstone team is pretty good top to bottom. Grabbing and keeping Colton Lott was a top priority for anyone and congrats to Dunstone if he won the Lottstakes.

Koe grabbing Martin/Thiessen is pretty pretty smart. Tardi of course already made sense. This is a better team the Koe's last two. Wow! The dream of 5 remains very much alive.

We'll see how Gallant likes Bottcher. Interesting he wanted to stay at 2nd. I guess with Kennedy you kind of have to.

Does Gushe grab the other Harnden and then one of the NL juniors at lead? I can't see Walker and Walker moving to NL for a year with another baby coming.

ETA: Apparently this is the list.

Koe, Tardi, Thiessan, Martin
Gushue, Nichols, Ej Harnden, Walker
Bottcher, Kennedy, Gallant, Hebert
Dunstone, BJ, Lott, Ryan Harnden
Horgan, Moulding, ??? Hodgson
still unsure Mcewen, Epping and Gunnlaughson
Jones joining Zacharias’ team
Lawes, Njegovan, Peterman, McCuish
Homan, ??? Ferguson, Brown
Miskew, ??? Wilkes, Weagle

Lots of good teams. I think Gushue comes out unscathed, Koe even or better, the rest we'll see. I don't see that Bottcher team working but maybe, he does have personality similarities to Koe and that worked for Kenneyd/Hebert. Gallant seems odd to me in the context of Hebert, two alpha sweepers (and Gallant is better at judging...can Benny hold his tongue?).

Miskew should get Cameron as an import. Homan should try and get Walker after her maternity leave (similar to Miskew in personality and skill).

The fun part is half of these won't last past two seasons. Plus what happens when people like Courtney and Jacobs decide to return?

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Can’t keep up!
It’s a twister, it’s a twister!

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EJ and Walker would both be imports unless one plans to move to Newfoundland.

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EJ and Walker would both be imports unless one plans to move to Newfoundland.

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Gallant is moving to AB because he is getting married to Jocelyn Peterman who is from AB. That’s where they have chosen to live.

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Gallant is moving to AB because he is getting married to Jocelyn Peterman who is from AB. That’s where they have chosen to live.

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Yes. And that breaks their residency. But that’s the point: if Harnden is replacing him then either he or Walker is moving or the residency rules are changing. And if it’s the latter then there’s no reason Gallant has to leave the team. So that’s the shoe we are waiting to drop.

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Would love all the top skips to make a super team. They’d be unbeatable

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Hardly, we all saw what happened when an alpha male and an alpha female tried to play mixed doubles at the Olympics.

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Team McCarville announce they've decide they need a change: https://twitter.com/twinetime14/sta...986466581037058

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Hardly, we all saw what happened when an alpha male and an alpha female tried to play mixed doubles at the Olympics.

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It’s because as we type Gushue is still lobbying Curling Canada to change the residency rules. If they aren’t changed EJ will have to play elsewhere and gushue will have to pick one of the good young players in NL. He had a couple different guys play with him last fall filling in for Walker and both played very well.
The real question is, if the rule does get changed, does Gallant just travel like Walker does now and come back. Now that would make all these changes even more interesting.

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McCarville post skipped over. Does she team up with Fleury. Lots of speculation but does this make sense? One True Northern Ontario team?

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Tardi is still too young and immature to work with Koe. It’s a great learning experience for him - but it will cost the team wins.

Weagle and Miskew back together seems odd after Miskew was ok with getting rid of Weagle.

The Bottcher team will either implode or explode - they may not even get through one season intact.
Bottcher and Hebert together won’t work - Benny hasn't got nearly enough patience to deal with Bottcher.
Gallant is also a strong and stubborn personality - he and Benny will either get along great, or will kill each other. I also don't think Gallant will have the patience to deal with Bottcher.
That team is doomed, in my opinion.

Why has no-one mentioned the possibility that Gallant simply wants to curl with someone other than Gushue?

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Because from the outside, from which most of us see, Gushue is a great team mate and mentor to those that join. Why would you suggest, and, without any evidence, or infer that Gallant doesn’t want to curl with Gushue? That’s pure BS conjecture. Site your sources. Hmm. I thought so. Shh

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Tardi is still too young and immature to work with Koe. It’s a great learning experience for him - but it will cost the team wins.

Weagle and Miskew back together seems odd after Miskew was ok with getting rid of Weagle.

The Bottcher team will either implode or explode - they may not even get through one season intact.
Bottcher and Hebert together won’t work - Benny hasn't got nearly enough patience to deal with Bottcher.
Gallant is also a strong and stubborn personality - he and Benny will either get along great, or will kill each other. I also don't think Gallant will have the patience to deal with Bottcher.
That team is doomed, in my opinion.

Why has no-one mentioned the possibility that Gallant simply wants to curl with someone other than Gushue?

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Because from the outside, from which most of us see, Gushue is a great team mate and mentor to those that join. Why would you suggest, and, without any evidence, or infer that Gallant doesn’t want to curl with Gushue? That’s pure BS conjecture. Site your sources. Hmm. I thought so. Shh

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I can’t believe Koe and Bottcher didn’t consult you before they put their teams together. Hope they don’t regret that.

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Heroux says players will be on their Monday show with actual announcements.

I think asking if Gallant wants to keep curling with Gushue is sensible. 8 years together is a long time. I'm also sure a lot of players wouldn't mind sticking with their current skip but the balance of the decision changes.

I also think it would be foolhardy to ready some friction in Beijing as actual friction. I've seen almost every player on the ice snap at a close team mate at some point and the Olympics are the absolute boiler for that. The only people that don't are the people who never snap at anyone; Gushue and Gallant both have strong personalities and it is inevitable, but their actual spat was minuscule. Despite that they were completely successful at the Brier and had zero friction when they had an even more intense relationship in the playoffs. All of their public comments also indicate there was interest, but residency is getting in the way.

Thus my earlier comment that Harnden/Walker is a weird outcome IF Gallant just goes to play second for Bottcher. If he was moving to third or skip then it makes sense, but trading Gushue for Bottcher all things equal would be odd. My personal guess is that it's a matter of timing and he can't afford the risk of not being on a top team if residency falls through. Even with residency there's also nothing stopping Harnden from re-teaming with Jacobs and Gallant coming back to Gushue after a year. Or some other mix. These initial teams always change a lot anyway.

What I find the weirdest is the Bottcher lineup overall. Gallant/Hebert is not a team that makes sense. Gallant is the best weight reader in the game. Hebert is a GOAT thrower and sweeper but his weight reading is not as good as Gallant's. Can he really be the second string this late in his career? And Hebert is now used to Team Talk-a-lot, which doesn't strike me as the dynamic Bottcher wants. It's just an odd lineup and not one 'd ever come up with. Whereas the Koe lineup just seems very smart (Tardi might be green but this strikes me as a real 4 year team).

Of course these people all know each other, too, and spend a lot of time together we don't see. So it's possible Gallant and Hebert are best friends and it makes sense if you have the inside line.

Last comment: what about Bottcher would annoy Gallant/Hebert? Other than the Moulding drama I'm not aware of any problems with him and his on ice behaviour is very pro. Part of the Moulding shock was that they seemed to have such good rapport. Hebert played with Koe for 8 years, an even more internal skip than Bottcher. Gallant played with Gushue, a very demanding boss (especially pre-2018). The issues on that team, to me, seem to be in the other direction and in the front end.

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Re Gushue team
I thought Brad explained it quite simply some time ago
"There will likely be changes" "We know that Brett is moving out west"
"With the present residency rules that it looks “doubtful” his team is going to be able to all stay together.
Or words to that effect
I have little doubt that serious discussions have and will continue about residency rules.
It is obvious to me that Brett Gallant is moving off the rock. I don't think there is anything nefarious about it. H is is getting married!!!
Where he ends up is speculation
I would think that he has the choice of going anywhere he wishes. He is arguably one of the best two front end players in Canada when you consider power,, brains and being a good teammate.
Walker and him were instrumental in winning the last brier. Brad was was just Brad; As the bear described him "the best pure shooter in the world"
It is doubtful any other front end could have accomplished this.
And by the way, don't think Walker is going anywhere

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I’m actually pretty surprised to see Bottcher’s team splitting up. With him being younger than Koe, Gushue and Jacobs, I backed them to dominate the next ten years of briers

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Harnden/Walker makes 100% sense to me if Gallant is gone. I think that's basically the best person I can think of to replace Gallant. Maybe Thiessen. But that's it. And Gushue is probably the best replacement of Jacobs you'll find if you're Harnden because the two Brads have multiple key similarities after this latest quad: extremely professional, expect a lot of their team but far more from themselves, similar amount of discussion, team structured similarly, etc. The biggest difference is Gushue doesn't throw as many massive hits as Jacobs.

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Got to wonder how thrilled the teams are for revealing these supposed lineup changes, I doubt they got permission and would have preferred to have posted them themselves.

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