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3 takeaways from 2022 worlds.


1. NEVER hold world curling championships in the desert.

2. NEVER use hand me down rocks from another organization that discarded them knowing they were crap.

3. Bring in the worlds best ice makers to help/oversee/assist and to teach the locals and maintain ice conditions to at least playable.

No excuse to have the teams play under these conditions. It’s a sheet show out there.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by IN-OFF-FOR-2
3 takeaways from 2022 worlds.


1. NEVER hold world curling championships in the desert.

2. NEVER use hand me down rocks from another organization that discarded them knowing they were crap.

3. Bring in the worlds best ice makers to help/oversee/assist and to teach the locals and maintain ice conditions to at least playable.

No excuse to have the teams play under these conditions. It’s a sheet show out there. [QUOTE]

The ice is an embarrassment to the WCF. Making the best look bad!

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Kind of entertaining to watch when ice, rocks, everything is not perfect. Makes for an interesting game.

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What an end to the Mens Worlds, two poor matches but regardless, congrats to Edin winning his 6th and Italy winning their first medals here.

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What a piss poor excuse for a world final.
No fault of the players.
The luckiest team won.
I sure enjoy watching skill.

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More like Gushue lost it rather than edin winning.

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Congratulations to Team Sweden.
It's quite unfortunate that the championship game was marred by terrible ice. The players definitely deserved better from the WCF, who obviously went for style over substance in choosing Vegas. That's inexcusable.

Drawing from my own curling experience, bad ice completely zaps the enjoyment out of the game - because all of your natural instincts are eliminated. You have to forget almost everything you've learned over 'X' number of years of curling, and re-learn from scratch in a very short time.
Bad ice is even worse for players at the Elite level.

Credit to Sweden, who figured out the terrible ice a bit better than Canada did today.

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What a piss poor excuse for a world final.
No fault of the players.
The luckiest team won.
I sure enjoy watching skill.

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Worst final ever. Never ever seen Oskar and Gushue curl that badly. The difference was the Gushue rock that backed up on him early, after that he wasn't the same mentally. Edin was playing on the same sheet but didn't seem as affected by it despite his team missing all over the place while Gushue's team was obsessed with the ice. All that aside if he blanks 9 its his game.

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Worst final ever. Never ever seen Oskar and Gushue curl that badly. The difference was the Gushue rock that backed up on him early, after that he wasn't the same mentally. Edin was playing on the same sheet but didn't seem as affected by it despite his team missing all over the place while Gushue's team was obsessed with the ice. All that aside if he blanks 9 its his game.

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Shame the WCF put on a world championship on under circus conditions. Embarrassing really. If it’s not possible to have decent ice in Vegas, then don’t go there (it’s not like you’re selling out anyways). If it is possible, then your ice maker sucks.

That being said, the skip that complained about it less won. Edin didn’t have any trouble making a dead perfect draw with his last in 10.

Obviously a very good season for Gushue and one for the history books. Little suspect timing on declaring his team the best ever, considering he didn’t win the Olympics and, as it turns out, lost again to Edin in the WC final.

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Depth of talent, no other country comes close to Canada. When Edin's creaky back fails in a couple of years Sweden need to rebuild. Norway is rebuilding and Scotland has their young guns but after that, who knows.

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Worst final ever. Never ever seen Oskar and Gushue curl that badly. The difference was the Gushue rock that backed up on him early, after that he wasn't the same mentally. Edin was playing on the same sheet but didn't seem as affected by it despite his team missing all over the place while Gushue's team was obsessed with the ice. All that aside if he blanks 9 its his game.

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To have a world championship at a venue with ice conditions like that is embarrasing...Having said that Kudos to the Swedes..they were the better team today and handled the crappy ice better than Gush..

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Interesting that 3 of the 4 canadians outcurled their swedish counterparts. Russ said at the beginning that whoever was the better third would determine the result (or something to that effect). Well, Nichols shot close to his round robin average while Oskar shot closer to his 2014 finals abysmal performance than his round robin average.

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What can you even say about Edin and Eriksson's resume at this point? Undisputed GOATs. Forget about what country they're from.

A bit sad/ironic Gushue carried the team all week and then lost it here. 3-4 shots where he could've likely altered the outcome before the 9th end.

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Little suspect timing on declaring his team the best ever, considering he didn’t win the Olympics and, as it turns out, lost again to Edin in the WC final. [/B]

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I don't understand why the ice conditions were bad. Shawn Oleson is a good ice maker and they have made ice in this facility before. To me the issue was the scraping. I didn't see them scraping, but you always see someone watching the front of the scraper making sure it is even. Its like they put a novice on the scraper before the final games? The scraper ridges and negative ice weren't there during the round robin games and the ice was quite playable, sub-optimal maybe, but not like the finals.

Its like the icemakers were trying to scrape curl into the sheet because they couldn't touch up the rocks before the final, so they pebbled high on the outside and tried to scrape a dish, leaving ridges and negative ice inside-out.

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Sweden would just send the same team but with Ericsson as the skip

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Canada could send their 20th best men's team and still be medal threats; at least 7 or 8 of them would be gold medal threats.

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Ericsson and wrana are young and healthy but I'd imagine motivation may at some point start to be an issue.if you've won everything then there may be a point when you simply can't find the drive to continue

Sweden has been very lucky in that they have always seemed to have someone ready to step up when the current top team leaves the game or declines but this time they may well and truly be screwed if edin, Eriksson and wrana were to all walk away.

There's no one anywhere near top level after edin. Im fairly confident that they'd fall out of the top group in europe without edin around and if neither wrana or Ericsson stayed around.

Thankfully they do have Isabelle wrana after hasselborg. They're not in ad much trouble with the women

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Not sure that's true. Look at the W-L results of Canada's top ranked men's teams. The #6, #10, #15, and #20 CAN teams (Dunstone, Epping, Tardi, Smith) were all near or under .500 when playing other Top 50 teams this past season.

OTOH, the OLY medalists Gushue, Edin, and Mouat were all well above .500.

All but two teams at the OLY games were Top 50. All but three at Worlds were Top 50.

If you want to be a legit, consistent medal contender at these events--let alone a gold medal contender, as you suggest #6 Dunstone would be--you have win well more than half of your games against the best in the world, and consistently.

Canada may have terrific depth, but I don't think the numbers support you.

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Forget the rankings in a Covid year. I am sure I can find 20 Canadian men's teams that are on par or better then Team Italy more often then not. Some didn't even qualify for the Brier this year.

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Why would I forget the rankings in a Covid year? Did Covid only happen in Canada? Isn't the current reality the one that matters?

Retornaz's record against Top 50 teams this year was well above .500, so their success at Worlds maybe isn't the fluke you're suggesting it is.

But go ahead. Find 20 Canadian teams who fared significantly better against Top 50 teams this season than Retornaz did. I'll wait. (Hint: Koe and Bottcher were comparable, but not markedly better.)

Or, failing that, make a decent argument why stats from 2019--whatever the hell they say--are relevant to the state of curling ca. 2022.

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The top 6 teams it's no contest; the Canadian teams are just better then Team Italy. They are markedly better... This is the reality imo whether you believe it or not.

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It is very clear that the 3 top Mens teams on the planet are Edin , Gushue and Mouat. After that you could pick the next 30 top teams from any country ( would be dominated by Canadien teams) ) in the world and if you put them into a playoff there would be a different winner every event. That’s my humble opinion and I’m sticking to it😬

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