Disclaimer: CurlingZone does not represent or endorse the accuracy or reliability of any Content posted on any Forums area and you acknowledge that any reliance upon such Content shall be at your sole risk. Any Content placed on any Forums area by users and anonymous posters are the views of the user posting the statement, and do not represent the views of CurlingZone or our partners, advertisers or sponsors. By posting anonymously, you are allowing your IP address to be displayed for identification purposes. CurlingZone reserves the right to remove any post at its discretion without warning or explanation.
03-07-21 09:45PM |
|
Statman
Super Rockchucker
Registered: Mar 2004
Location:
Posts: 2011 |
Is curling statistically challenged?
Curling generally makes poor use of its records and stats. While other sports use their numbers, data and records to add colour and intensity to the viewer’s, spectator’s and fan’s experience, the TSN broadcasts along with Russ, Vic and Cheryl apparently live in a record and numbers-free zone - seldom referring to the great Brier records and superlatives.
Apparently the TSN doesn’t think its worth mentioning that every time Gushue wins a game in the 2021 Brier it adds to his all-time record for Brier games won,; and every game Glen Howard plays a Brier game, he adds to his all-time record for Brier games played. This is also Brad’s 18th Brier, which is another all-time record, but it barely registers with the commentator’s
This morning’s draw featured five consecutive stolen ends by Quebec vs Nunavut - all two’s - which must be close to an all-time record. It should have been noted.
Chances missed for adding a little statistical texture to the broadcasts...and to intensify the fandom. Can you imagine the NFL, the NBA or the NHL missing opportunities to promote their sports like these?
__________________
"It's only rock and roll (But we like it!)" Keith and Mick on curling
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
03-08-21 10:26PM |
|
Statman
Super Rockchucker
Registered: Mar 2004
Location:
Posts: 2011 |
Nunavut is on the way to setting some sort of record for Brier futility what with conceding four straight games, being outscored by a 52-7 margin, and giving up 24 stolen points.
__________________
"It's only rock and roll (But we like it!)" Keith and Mick on curling
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
03-09-21 12:09PM |
|
Statman
Super Rockchucker
Registered: Mar 2004
Location:
Posts: 2011 |
Another interesting record I hope TSN and the CCA won’t ignore.
Coming into the 2021 Brier these were the two leaders in all-time Brier games played:
Glen Howard 218
Brad Gushue 211
With Glen playing in only one game so far, and not looking like he’ll curl again in this Brier, Gushue will likely become the all-time leader before this is over.
__________________
"It's only rock and roll (But we like it!)" Keith and Mick on curling
Last edited by Statman on 03-09-21 at 03:27PM
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
03-10-21 06:10PM |
|
Statman
Super Rockchucker
Registered: Mar 2004
Location:
Posts: 2011 |
The lowest combined score in Brier history is three. (2-1 (three times.)
There have also been at least five shutouts. (not verified since the record book appears to only go back to 1980...1990 for some records.)
The Brier record book is hard to find. Unlike most sports, a complete record book (most records date from 1980) is not in fact available online.
Only in curling!
__________________
"It's only rock and roll (But we like it!)" Keith and Mick on curling
Last edited by Statman on 03-10-21 at 07:43PM
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
03-10-21 09:57PM |
|
Statman
Super Rockchucker
Registered: Mar 2004
Location:
Posts: 2011 |
This monologue - not a single comment here so far - suggests that the CZ punditry are about as disinterested in Brier stats, records and superlatives as the CCA and the TSN broadcast crew appear to be.
Oh well, but my records suggest that NO’s 3-0 whitewash of Saskatchewan was the first 3-0 score in the history of the Brier. That being over 92 Briers.
If I’m correct, somebody’s asleep at the statistical wheel in the CCA and the TSN.
__________________
"It's only rock and roll (But we like it!)" Keith and Mick on curling
Last edited by Statman on 03-10-21 at 10:09PM
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
03-10-21 10:15PM |
|
curlerbroad
Super Rockchucker
Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Toronto
Posts: 2668 |
quote: Originally posted by Statman
Nunavut is on the way to setting some sort of record for Brier futility what with conceding four straight games, being outscored by a 52-7 margin, and giving up 24 stolen points.
. On to busting that wide open...down 12-0 to NS in the 6th! Not sure this experiment is working curling Canada
__________________
Well Behaved Women Don't Make History.
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
03-10-21 10:22PM |
|
Statman
Super Rockchucker
Registered: Mar 2004
Location:
Posts: 2011 |
Nova Scotia is now up 14-0 after 7 with an almost certain concession after 8.
The ALL-TIME shutout record at the Brier is 11-0.
Any bets TSN fails to mention it!
__________________
"It's only rock and roll (But we like it!)" Keith and Mick on curling
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
03-10-21 11:37PM |
|
hogged again
Drawmaster
Registered: Mar 2019
Location:
Posts: 659 |
quote: Originally posted by Statman
Oh well, but my records suggest that NO’s 3-0 whitewash of Saskatchewan was the first 3-0 score in the history of the Brier. That being over 92 Briers.
I think you may be right. 3-0 is tough to do. Certainly when they were 12 end games on iffy ice w iffy rocks it wouldn't occur. There may have been some scores close to that in the late 80s early 90s before the free guard zone. I seem to recall a game with Kevin Martin or Pat Ryan where they scored a 2 in the 1st and threw the 1st rock in the 2nd thru the rings intending to blank the rest of the way. I think the other team scored 1 at some point. That may have been in a cashspiel though and not the Brier.
Last edited by hogged again on 03-10-21 at 11:39PM
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
03-11-21 05:38PM |
|
Statman
Super Rockchucker
Registered: Mar 2004
Location:
Posts: 2011 |
Assuming Glen Howard will not curl again in the Brier, and that Gushue is through to the championship round, they are tied at 219 for the all-time record for games played in the Brier.
Any bets TSN will not mention it when Gushue plays his next game and breaks the tie?
__________________
"It's only rock and roll (But we like it!)" Keith and Mick on curling
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
03-12-21 01:58PM |
|
Statman
Super Rockchucker
Registered: Mar 2004
Location:
Posts: 2011 |
It will be interesting to see if the statistics-averse TSN crew mention that Brad Gushue is playing in his 210th Brier match today....an ALL TIME RECORD for the Brier.
__________________
"It's only rock and roll (But we like it!)" Keith and Mick on curling
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
03-12-21 05:10PM |
|
Statman
Super Rockchucker
Registered: Mar 2004
Location:
Posts: 2011 |
Can anyone confirm that Russ and Co. did or did not mention Gushue's historic most games played feat?
__________________
"It's only rock and roll (But we like it!)" Keith and Mick on curling
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
03-12-21 06:17PM |
|
johnnysmoke
Drawmaster
Registered: Nov 2002
Location:
Posts: 612 |
To be fair, in the prelude to the Draw 15 televised game between Epping and Koe, Vic does mention that "it was 6 blank ends, Northern Ontario ties a record low combined score with their 3 point win over Manitoba"
And as an aside, my opinion of Vic has evolved over the years. He's the best thing about the broadcast.
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
03-12-21 06:21PM |
|
johnnysmoke
Drawmaster
Registered: Nov 2002
Location:
Posts: 612 |
And just like I will always be a bit older than my younger brother, Mark Nichols will likely always have just a few less games and appearances than his teammate Gushue.
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
03-12-21 06:59PM |
|
Statman
Super Rockchucker
Registered: Mar 2004
Location:
Posts: 2011 |
We certainly agree about Vic Rauter. He’s a great set-up man and someone who doesn’t take himself too seriously. He is invaluable to the broadcasts.
However, TSN and the CCA should provide him with better background material. Missing so many records and superlatives smacks of amateurism and shoddy research - and is an insult to the athletes themselves as well as the commentators
Only in curling!
PS Does anyone have Vic Rauter’s email address? I’m not on Twitter.
__________________
"It's only rock and roll (But we like it!)" Keith and Mick on curling
Last edited by Statman on 03-12-21 at 10:29PM
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
03-14-21 09:58PM |
|
Statman
Super Rockchucker
Registered: Mar 2004
Location:
Posts: 2011 |
The lowest score in Brier final history is 3-2 when Pat Ryan beat Rick Folk of British Columbia 3-2 in the 1989,championship in Saskatoon.
No mention so far by the statistically-challenged commentators.
__________________
"It's only rock and roll (But we like it!)" Keith and Mick on curling
Last edited by Statman on 03-14-21 at 11:21PM
Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged
|
|
|
All times are GMT. The time now is . |
|
|
|
|
|
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
|
HTML code is OFF
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
|
|
|
|
|
|