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01-15-20 04:56PM |
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biterbar
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Meridian Canadian Open
Jennifer Jones last shot in the eighth end was a draw down to the shot rock of Team Russia. It was wide and a bit heavy and got a 0/5 as it should be. My question is the scoring called it a 1.10 difficulty as a draw around guard. Her path was unguarded and by the eighth end the weight and line should be known. Should it have been a 1.10 difficulty?
Link to the shot.
https://twitter.com/CurlingZone/sta...549287086678016
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01-15-20 09:29PM |
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This is the last Grand Slam before the Scotties & Brier. We should get an indication of who are the contenders and who are the pretenders among Canada's teams..
On the womens' side I like Fleury and Homan although both can be beaten, and the top three international teams are there to challenge.
Team Jacobs is having a good season so far and looks like the team to beat. Edin and the good young Mouat team will be tough too.
The predicted overnight low is -38 in Yorkton so expect to hear all about that from the broadcast crew.
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01-15-20 10:41PM |
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Deliverer
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Re: Meridian Canadian Open
quote: Originally posted by biterbar
Jennifer Jones last shot in the eighth end was a draw down to the shot rock of Team Russia. It was wide and a bit heavy and got a 0/5 as it should be. My question is the scoring called it a 1.10 difficulty as a draw around guard. Her path was unguarded and by the eighth end the weight and line should be known. Should it have been a 1.10 difficulty?
Link to the shot.
https://twitter.com/CurlingZone/sta...549287086678016
Watching that video it appeared to me she either had to hit that rock sitting at 3 o'clock in the 4 foot and roll a few inches towards the pin or draw the pin itself. Since the shot was not obstructed in any way, that is, she didn't have to come around a guard or have to come through a port, I would have assigned a D.O.D. of 1.05. However, had that shot been obstructed, I believe 1.10 would be appropriate.
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01-15-20 11:29PM |
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IN-OFF-FOR-2
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Re: Meridian Canadian Open
quote: Originally posted by biterbar
Jennifer Jones last shot in the eighth end was a draw down to the shot rock of Team Russia. It was wide and a bit heavy and got a 0/5 as it should be. My question is the scoring called it a 1.10 difficulty as a draw around guard. Her path was unguarded and by the eighth end the weight and line should be known. Should it have been a 1.10 difficulty?
Link to the shot.
https://twitter.com/CurlingZone/sta...549287086678016
Zero was the correct score but WHO decided a wide open draw was 1.1 dod? How is that possible? Through a port or or around some guards yes, but wide open draw?
That's that problem with stats. Open to the interpretation of the person with the clipboard/laptop. Either don't bother with over exaggerated stats or make it mandatory all stats keepers take the SAME course. Most stats are 20-30 higher than real life.
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01-16-20 03:28AM |
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Gerry
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Re: Meridian Canadian Open
quote: Originally posted by biterbar
Jennifer Jones last shot in the eighth end was a draw down to the shot rock of Team Russia. It was wide and a bit heavy and got a 0/5 as it should be. My question is the scoring called it a 1.10 difficulty as a draw around guard. Her path was unguarded and by the eighth end the weight and line should be known. Should it have been a 1.10 difficulty?
Link to the shot.
https://twitter.com/CurlingZone/sta...549287086678016
This is not an open draw.
The rock at the top of the 4-foot is still considered a guard since it makes the draw to the nose of the other red stone that much more difficult. This is marked correctly.
1.05 would have been given for a higher guard, while 1.10 is a difficult guard. This rock placement has to be perfect with the Russians still having a shot to come.
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01-16-20 09:18AM |
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biterbar
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Unless the angle is showing it different than reality, a nose freeze would never put the top four rock in play. If it hits that rock it has over curled and ripe to be punched out.
Happy belated birthday Gerry.
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01-16-20 02:56PM |
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Deliverer
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Talk About a Total Collapse.....
In the eighth end in their game against Hasselborg today, Weagle missed both of her ticks, Courtney missed a peel, Miskew had two miskews and Homan added two more miskews. WHOOO!
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01-16-20 04:17PM |
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MeaghanEdwards
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Was it just me or was Koe not comfortable with his last shot? BJ seemed more on board with it than he was
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01-16-20 10:41PM |
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"Habit is a hard street to ride"
I'm trying to decide if that's a famous quote or just a legend quote. I'll put it up there with "Rode hard and put away wet"
Enjoying old Glenny play so well. He's the Tom Watson of curling.
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01-18-20 03:57PM |
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Ajay
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Sn 360 used to be available for live stream without being part of package. Now it does not appear to be. Any way of streaming today’s games?
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01-18-20 04:03PM |
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quote: Originally posted by Manitoba Legend
Lots of stunning developments thus far in Yorkton.
Hasselborg being disposed of like yesterday's garbage is something rarely seen these days. The Swedish ladies, while never appearing arrogant are very sure of themselves and usually able to easily shot-pelt opponents into submission.
Jones losing games no longer a surprise because, well Jennifer has far too many problems in completing shots and her rock positioning usually leaves her fully exposed to other skips.
Einarson coming off some major slumping to nab an early A-qualifier is a good sign for the Manitoba rink. Still a team with little to no identity - although the front end of Birchard & Meilleur one of the best women's fronts I've seen - maybe right up there with Officer & Askin, Schmirler's front or Hasselborg's warriors.
Tracy Fleury down in the C-group will test their metal after a distressing performance at the Continental Cup.
Kovaleva draws to the button, Jones draws to the back of the house. Keven Martin remarks Canadian women’s curling is not in good shape. I agree with him.
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01-18-20 05:33PM |
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MeaghanEdwards
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Beauty comeback for Jenn
Been thinking there has been some Continental Cup fatigue with some of the teams, Edin, Koe, Homan, Fleury, Carey. Might be a good idea to space these events out more.
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01-18-20 08:53PM |
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quote: Originally posted by IN-OFF-FOR-2
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Enjoying old Glenny play so well. He's the Tom Watson of curling.
Yes but he can only bail out a mediocre third so many times before the third sinks the team.
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01-18-20 11:03PM |
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UnattachedFC
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Also it means that Fleury is in the Scotties play-in game at worse. I think Einarson would be in, but if she has a terrible Scotties and Jones makes a deep run but loses to the final and loses to someone not named Fleury, it's possible that she misses out too. So, I think it's safe to say that we'll have 2 Manitoba teams at the Scotties.
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01-19-20 03:27PM |
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MeaghanEdwards
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Nice showing Team Kim, just too many misses/missed opportunities. Would have been nice to have seen someone else win.
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01-19-20 03:58PM |
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quote: Originally posted by MeaghanEdwards
Nice showing Team Kim, just too many misses/missed opportunities. Would have been nice to have seen someone else win.
Soooo happy for Team Hasselborg. Three GS wins in a row. Nice game by Team Kim. I'm sure we'll see them around.
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01-19-20 05:30PM |
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Even the announcers were less than complimentary to the Korean coach. Too bad that Korea dumped Gallant as a coach.
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01-19-20 07:26PM |
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UnattachedFC
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quote: Originally posted by Manitoba Legend
Rachel Homan is the odds on favorite to take the Ontario Scotties spot. If she doesn't she'll be near 1 or 2 for the play-in game.
That's the thing. She's out of the play-in game. Homan doesn't have an out. She needs to win Ontario. Homan hasn't qualified at a slam this year which are worth a ton of points. Meanwhile Jones qualified at all 4 slams. Einarson and Fleury have qualified at 3 slams. She's still 4th in CTRS, but she was 14 points behind Jones and that's before Jones makes another QF at a slam that gives her 36 more points and I don't think Homan got more than 5. So that's something like 44 points between Jones in 3rd and Homan. Homan got 33 points for winning Ontario last year. It's safe to say that she would get less if she loses in the final.
Book it, 2 Manitoba at the Scotties.
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01-20-20 07:45AM |
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eh. would it have been nice to see someone else win? yeah. on the other hand kim got a decent dose of luck to even get this far. if muirhead hadnt played one of the worst 8th ends i've seen a team play in their c qualifier they wouldnt have even made the playoffs. muirhead gifted them that win in the end
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01-20-20 01:17PM |
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Re: Definitely looks like 2 Manitoba Teams in Scotties
quote: Originally posted by Manitoba Legend
So 2 Manitoba teams can book a ride to STOH. That's nice but the sheer meekness and inefficiency of Manitoba's Top 3 teams is quite alarming.
Each of the 3 has a glaring weakness.
JONES - Jones herself. JJ's low percentage a dual function of hi-degree of difficulty shots combined w/ an unsteady Jones.
EINARSON - unmotivated back end featuring too-often listless Einarson & outside rental curler Val Sweeting.
FLEURY - best of the group but recent chinks in armour show them to be very beatable.
Wild guess - none of Manitoba's 3-headed monster win Manitoba. Someone like Beth Peterson or Mack Zacharias comes out of nowhere to win.
EINARSON & FLEURY then playoff for the CTRS entry.
Jones will win Manitoba easily. So far this year Peterman has been the only one engaged on the ice. McEwen, Lawes and Jones only care about Scotties/Worlds/Olympics, cashspiels don't matter. They will kick it up a notch in the provincials.
Like Fleury's back end but her front end can't shoot and Einarson is too inconsistent.
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01-20-20 09:56PM |
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misty1
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think kelsey rocque has to be favorite or alberta. normally scheidegger but given the circumstances i'd have to say rocque. there are a number o dangerous teams out there too but i like kelsey's chance to break through this year
british columbia should be corynn brown's or the taking. a great young player the uture of B.C curling. much like rocque i think this will be her year to break through
saskatchewan is wide open. silvernagle is the favorite but they have not looked good at any point this year. holland and anderson will be the biggest challengers. howard as darkhorse?
manitoba is easily the toughest to call. jones, einarson and fleury all have a shot and its really a toss up
ontario..oh , what has happened to ontario?. just 3 years ago you could have put ontario up with manitoba and alberta for depth. now its all about rachel. she could sleepwalk to the title this year. the only threat i see is jestyn murphy but even thats a long shot
northern ontario should see mccarville get through unless something truly shocking happens
no idea about quebec....maybe hastings? has to be the fave but its wide open
nova scotia should come down to arsenault and brothers
new brunswick should be craword but robichaud could challenge her. if comeau is competing then she could be a darkhorse
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01-20-20 10:51PM |
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Absolutely pumped for the provincials, the Slams and that are fun but love the nitty gritty battle to the nationals. I'm rooting for Jenn to take Manitoba (might shut up her critics), though I'm good with Einarson or Fleury or some dark horse taking the ticket, too.
Wasn't Tipping in the finals last season? Maybe she might make a good showing in Quebec now, too.
Silvernagle seems to be going through some sort of sophamore slump (like Koe and maybe Tirinzoni) but thinking she might find her form here.
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01-21-20 02:39PM |
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misty1
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i didnt realize st.georges was competing in quebec. she should be favored to get through there. future of quebec curling. i really like her. reminds me a lot of larouche
thoughts about the men:
british columbia - tardi looks poised to break through this year and i hope he does
alberta - bottcher is the favorite but they have not looked anywhere near their best this year at any time and 2020 has been rough. a lot o dangerous teams in alberta ready to grab the title if they dont pick it up. appleman, vavrek and harty are the biggest 3 challengers.
saskatchewan - dunstone is the favorite but since winning that slam they've been underwhelming to say the least. muyres is the chief opposition but they havent been strong either. maybe a year where one of those guys thats been there forever gets through. josh heidt seems like the likeliest of the dark horses
manitoba - mcruthers are gelling but it still wont be easy with the likes of gunnlaugson and horgan around. mcewen is favorite but im picking horgan for the upset
ontario - this should come down to epping v.s howard. mcdonald, hall and kean are dangerous though and could surprise i howard or epping are off
northern ontario - much like the women it'd take a huge surprise and lightning striking not to see jacobs get through again
quebec - there are are some really good teams here that get good results on tour but dont play a lot to get that attention. youngsters roberge are quielty having a great season. final should be fournier and roberge but in a province where no team is dominant a veteran like erland could get through. im going with the young guys. vincent roberge
newfoundland - if northern ontario is a one man show then what is newfoundland?. brad hasnt been himself this season but it'd still take a herculean effort to knock him off here
nova scotia- - as per usual murphy and thompson are the favorite and will probably play the final again. hard to see anyone else challenging
new brunswick - incredibly wide open. i dont even have a guess. its litera;;y anyone's game
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01-23-20 07:23PM |
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" 1.05 would have been given for a higher guard."
After looking over that phethora of statistical data generated by CZ on this subject, it soon became evident that a "Draw Around Guard Difficult" is the standard description if a difficult guard exists. So on that basis I'm okay with the 1.10 vs. 1.05.
What I'm not comfortable with, however, is calling that rock in the four foot at 12 o'clock a "guard". That is key , of course, because if no difficulty really exists that rating and description are both incorrect.
At our curling club last week a curler (also a CZ member) after showing that video clip did not find a single curler who considered that rock at 12 o'clock a guard, that is,it was not a rock she had to curl Around in order to become shot. When it was explained that the Russian rock was the only reason for the 1.10 evaluation their initial reaction was one of disbelief - without exception.
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