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gpl
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delivery rule question
In a pickup game today a 1st year player slid out, lost his balance and came to a stop near the tee line. From there he got sliding again by using his gripper foot to push off 2 or 3 more times and finally released the rock near the hog line.
I can't seem to find anywhere in the rules if this is OK or not.
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| 01-29-22 04:25PM |
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curlingclips
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Re: delivery rule question
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Originally posted by gpl
player slid out, lost his balance and came to a stop near the tee line
Key question: did the rock itself reach the tee line? Because if it didn't, you are allowed to go back all the way to the hack and deliver again.
Also, is this Canada? They have different rules regarding specifics of re-delivery.
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| 01-29-22 04:30PM |
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guido
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Perfectly legal.
If the rock doesn’t cross the back line, he can start over.
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| 01-29-22 04:38PM |
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gpl
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Yes, the rock crossed the tee line so he he pushed off again from just beyond the tee line.
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| 01-29-22 04:57PM |
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curlingclips
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quote:
Originally posted by gpl
came to a stop [...] pushed off again from just beyond the tee line.
I'm no expert, but I think this is the key fact that makes it illegal.
WCF and Canada rule are explicit that right-handers must deliver from left hack, and left-handers must deliver from right hack. Canada also allows possibility of single hack, which both left-handers and right-handers must use.
All this is to say that I think you must deliver from the hack. I would say that if you push off from complete stand still from somewhere beyond the tee line, that you have violated this requirement.
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| 01-29-22 05:28PM |
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gpl
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quote:
Originally posted by curlingclips
I think you must deliver from the hack. I would say that if you push off from complete stand still from somewhere beyond the tee line, that you have violated this requirement.
I think you are right curlingclips. Thanks!
I read the delivery portion of the rules numerous times and nothing really jumped out to me, but I think we have to conclude that a player cannot push off again once they leave the hack.
(1) The delivery of a stone by the right hand shall be initiated from the hack located to the left of the centre line. The delivery of a stone by the left hand shall be initiated from the hack located to the right of the centre line.
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| 01-29-22 05:40PM |
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curlingclips
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There are some interesting borderline cases in here, though. If the curler kicks out from the right hack, and never comes to a complete stop, there's room to suggest that all sorts of non-traditional actions are still within the rules.
You are allowed to touch the stone with your hand however many times you want before it reaches the hog line, for example. So what if you switch hands mid-slide? Is that legal?
I'm honestly not sure.
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| 01-29-22 06:51PM |
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gpl
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quote:
Originally posted by curlingclips
There are some interesting borderline cases in here, though. If the curler kicks out from the right hack, and never comes to a complete stop, there's room to suggest that all sorts of non-traditional actions are still within the rules.
You are allowed to touch the stone with your hand however many times you want before it reaches the hog line, for example. So what if you switch hands mid-slide? Is that legal?
I'm honestly not sure.
The rules do say that you must use the left hack if you deliver with your right hand so I don't think it would be legal to switch hands once you've left the hack.
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| 01-29-22 07:21PM |
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curlingclips
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quote:
Originally posted by gpl
The rules do say that you must use the left hack if you deliver with your right hand
WCF rules also say that "a stone is in play, and considered delivered, when it reaches the tee line".
In other words, if you wait until the stone crosses the tee line before switching hands, that's maybe legal, because you've already satisfied the hack vs hand delivery requirement.
Once the stone is considered delivered (i.e. once it crosses the tee line), you can't go back and declare it an illegal delivery due to violation of the hand vs hack requirement. It can still be an illegal delivery due to other factors (e.g. touched after reaching the hog line), but not because of the hand vs hack requirement.
I'm not an expert, though, and I acknowledge that switching hands is obviously a ridiculous suggestion.
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| 01-29-22 07:27PM |
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decade
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Originally posted by guido
Perfectly legal.
If the rock doesn’t cross the back line, he can start over.
Not true. (7) If a player wishes to recommence the delivery as a result of their own
team’s action, the player may do so providing the stone has not reached
the nearer tee line.
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| 01-29-22 07:31PM |
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decade
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Re: delivery rule question
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Originally posted by gpl
In a pickup game today a 1st year player slid out, lost his balance and came to a stop near the tee line. From there he got sliding again by using his gripper foot to push off 2 or 3 more times and finally released the rock near the hog line.
I can't seem to find anywhere in the rules if this is OK or not.
If the rock did not cross the neare T line the player should have returned to the havk and restarted delivery. Once the rock crosses the T line it is considered delivered and you cannot start again. When the rock stops after the T Line it is considered delivered.
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| 01-30-22 09:01AM |
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Observer
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This is something I wish had been explained when I first started watching curling on TV-that players must launch out of the hack and just where the hack is in relation to the rings.
If TV is the only place you’ve ever seen curling, you don’t realize just why a team can’t try shooting a shot from the top left or top right corner of the sheet, like, say, a tennis player can. If you could, it’d make many more trajectories available for the shooting stone than there are.
Olympic TV commentators who will be addressing a wide audience of newbies might want to bear this in mind.
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| 01-30-22 09:30AM |
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curlingclips
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You know what was legitimately very confusing for me when I first started watching made-for-TV curling videos on YouTube?
The fact that there are 2 houses on a sheet.
The official explainer doesn't help:
* It shows 150 ft as distance between 2 houses https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXHh_wadqPw&t=20s
* It shows skips as being like generals on battlefield, where cannonballs are being thrown at each other from two opposite sides https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXHh_wadqPw&t=50s
So naturally one would think that the two sides are on opposite sides of the sheet, a bit like tennis, and red is shooting at yellow's house and yellow is shooting at red's house.
Nope. They really only need one house per sheet in curling.
The fact that there are 2 houses and they're alternating going away and coming home is mostly born out of convenience. Back when they're playing in the frozen lakes, they just have crampits on one side and houses etched onto the ice on the other side.
Believe it or not it took me a while to realize why there are 2 houses.
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| 01-30-22 03:26PM |
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guido
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quote:
Originally posted by curlingclips
WCF rules also say that "a stone is in play, and considered delivered, when it reaches the tee line".
In other words, if you wait until the stone crosses the tee line before switching hands, that's maybe legal, because you've already satisfied the hack vs hand delivery requirement.
Once the stone is considered delivered (i.e. once it crosses the tee line), you can't go back and declare it an illegal delivery due to violation of the hand vs hack requirement. It can still be an illegal delivery due to other factors (e.g. touched after reaching the hog line), but not because of the hand vs hack requirement.
I'm not an expert, though, and I acknowledge that switching hands is obviously a ridiculous suggestion.
Sorry, my mistake. T-line is correct.
There is no rule saying you can’t stop and go. The only action is a reasonable straight line to the target (broom). There is nothing saying you have to slide. You can walk the rock to the hog line and then release.
You can also release the stone and retouch it before the hogline.
But this is Canadian rules . If your in the states you may want to ask on a states site. There rules may be different.
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| 01-30-22 04:31PM |
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curlingclips
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quote:
Originally posted by guido
a reasonable straight line to the target (broom)
Only Canada has this rule.
"The delivery and release of a curling stone are intended to occur in a reasonably straight line from the hack towards the target broom."
WCF does not have this requirement. Supposedly Team Edin has taken advantage of this, and occasionally slide wide on purpose to attack from a different angle, etc.
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