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There are 3 terr. and 6 provinces quite a bit larger than NFLD. It is cost prohibitive for everyone. 32 teams made it from all parts of Manitoba, and I'm sure more would have liked to come. Probably similar in other provinces as well.
It is not right that a team only has to win 2 games to make it to the show.
How many games does a Manitoban have to win just to get to provincials. And then have to win at least 5 to win provs.

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I understand the cost was about $9000 per team to go to Labrador City. You can drive a long way for that although I realize winter driving can be tricky and time consuming. However I am not sure what would happen if Gushue won and the next year championship was to be in Labrador.

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I understand the cost was about $9000 per team to go to Labrador City. You can drive a long way for that although I realize winter driving can be tricky and time consuming. However I am not sure what would happen if Gushue won and the next year championship was to be in Labrador.

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Originally posted by Justintwiss
with 14 teams playing a round robin you would need 19 draws with 5 sheets of ice.

Sat-2
Sun-3
mon-3
tue-3
wed-3
thur-3
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tie break fri night if needed
2nd tie break sat morn if needed
1vs2 sat aft
3vs4 sat night
semi sun morn
bronze sun aft
gold sun night

Play takes the exact same amout of time. Starts saturday afternoon and wraps up sunday night. Team Canada and Every province and territory is represented without a religation

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The solution is simple and twofold:

One, go back to five sheets. Been done successfully in the past, no logical reason not to do it again.

Two, Yukon/NWT and Nunavut play off for one spot at the Brier and ALL provincial associations contribute money to help defer the travel costs. Every team plays a 13 team round robin and NO ONE is relegated

IF a day comes that any one of the three territories grows in competitive numbers to the size that warrants their own berth then revisit the situation. Until then the simple solution works best.

Stop penalizing future teams for the poor performance of someone else. Its like blaming children for the sins of their parents.

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The brier had full representation, the first time in 88 years that all of Canada could send a team.

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Do you its makes sense to expect up to 4 provincial/territorial teams to spend thousands of dollars to most likely play just 3 or 4 games?

Or does it make sense to have those teams pay thousands of dollars to play for the full week and gain the experience of playing against elite competition.

If this is all about 'fairness', the latter makes an overwhelming amount of sense.

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Originally posted by Justintwiss
with 14 teams playing a round robin you would need 19 draws with 5 sheets of ice.

Sat-2
Sun-3
mon-3
tue-3
wed-3
thur-3
fri-2
tie break fri night if needed
2nd tie break sat morn if needed
1vs2 sat aft
3vs4 sat night
semi sun morn
bronze sun aft
gold sun night

Play takes the exact same amout of time. Starts saturday afternoon and wraps up sunday night. Team Canada and Every province and territory is represented without a religation

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I have heard the territories, maybe just Nunavet, are not looking for representation at the brier, just at the other events like the juniors, mixed etc.

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When curling clubs started to form associations, they didn't do it strictly on provincial lines. Ontario is big, and transportation was slow, and to make a long story short, curling in Ontario is governed by two associations: the OCA (Ontario Curling Association) and the NOCA (Northern Ontario Curling Association).

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When McDonald Tobacco started the Brier, they invited associations -- not provinces -- to send representatives. So the NOCA sent one and the OCA sent another. And that's how it's been done ever since.

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The problem with driving is the only way on and off Newfoundland is a ferry and the ferry to labrador in the winter often is delayed to ice build up. The cheapest way to get to labrador city from Newfoundland is to fly, which a lot couldn't afford. The Newfoundland tankard does usually have more than one team but this year the others wouldn't go and the lone challengers were from Labrador city.

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I'm wondering, if Gushue happened to win in 2014 and was T.C. for 2015, would more teams have found funding to get to Labrador city?? Or would the lone entry become Team NFLD?
With this scenario, NFLD might have been relegated. And Gushue may have lost his T.C. title. Gushue playing in the 2016 relegation round even if he finished 2nd at the Brier. This would have happened to Alberta in the Scotties if relegation was a year earlier. Just something to ponder.

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There are 3 terr. and 6 provinces quite a bit larger than NFLD. It is cost prohibitive for everyone. 32 teams made it from all parts of Manitoba, and I'm sure more would have liked to come. Probably similar in other provinces as well.
It is not right that a team only has to win 2 games to make it to the show.
How many games does a Manitoban have to win just to get to provincials. And then have to win at least 5 to win provs.

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It is not easy to get from St. John's (on the Island) to Lab City (on the mainland). Especially in Winter. Manitoba is all Mainland.
How many teams come from The Pas, Flin Flon and Churchill?

The Territories would be as challenging as the distances are huge and flying is expensive.

Cheaper to fly from St. John's to Europe than to fly in their own province.

Just sayin'

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Just an observation. There is a lot of drivel and what ifs. All this political correctness and nobody talks about each of territories haveing populations of about 40 thousand and Quebec has 8 million, has one team, Ont 13 million and has 2 teams. Some eastern prov also small. If major redo is discussed , why not bring in populations.

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Just an observation. There is a lot of drivel and what ifs. All this political correctness and nobody talks about each of territories haveing populations of about 40 thousand and Quebec has 8 million, has one team, Ont 13 million and has 2 teams. Some eastern prov also small. If major redo is discussed , why not bring in populations.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ajay
Just an observation. There is a lot of drivel and what ifs. All this political correctness and nobody talks about each of territories haveing populations of about 40 thousand and Quebec has 8 million, has one team, Ont 13 million and has 2 teams. Some eastern prov also small. If major redo is discussed , why not bring in populations. [/QU



You quote Quebec with 8 million. 2 wins ever

NS less than 1 million 3 wins


What is your point?

Even Ontario with almost half the population excluding NO, has
10 wins of which in the early years there were multiple teams entered from Ontario. Should they not have 40?

All the stats can be interpreted and skewed in favour of how you want the outcome perceived.

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It is not easy to get from St. John's (on the Island) to Lab City (on the mainland). Especially in Winter. Manitoba is all Mainland.
How many teams come from The Pas, Flin Flon and Churchill?

The Territories would be as challenging as the distances are huge and flying is expensive.

Cheaper to fly from St. John's to Europe than to fly in their own province.

Just sayin'

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So what's the issue with a juniors setup of two pools of 7 teams with either Team Canada or Nunavet as the 14th team. After a 6 game round robin, the top 4 from each pool go the championship round and the 6 others go to seeding or whatever round. The 8 teams play four more games to determine the usual playoff teams. Teams would be seeded based on previous year's finishes i.e #1,4,5,8 etc. in one pool, 2,3,6,7 etc. in the other.

It should not add any more days to the event. You could go with four draws a day and perhaps switch to 8 end games to accommodate.

This would have a number of benefits:

More competitive games and less lopsided games.

Makes it worthwhile to pay for teams to travel to play 9-10 games instead of 3 or 4.

Teams would play no more than two games a day and still have time for the fans.

Keeps the Brier as truly inclusive Canadian event.


The only negatives I have heard have been it would remove the true round robin aspect where everyone plays everyone else and issues with seeding. I can't see where these are so big as to override the opportunity to give every province and territory the full Brier experience.

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So what's the issue with a juniors setup of two pools of 7 teams with either Team Canada or Nunavet as the 14th team. After a 6 game round robin, the top 4 from each pool go the championship round and the 6 others go to seeding or whatever round. The 8 teams play four more games to determine the usual playoff teams. Teams would be seeded based on previous year's finishes i.e #1,4,5,8 etc. in one pool, 2,3,6,7 etc. in the other.

It should not add any more days to the event. You could go with four draws a day and perhaps switch to 8 end games to accommodate.

This would have a number of benefits:

More competitive games and less lopsided games.

Makes it worthwhile to pay for teams to travel to play 9-10 games instead of 3 or 4.

Teams would play no more than two games a day and still have time for the fans.

Keeps the Brier as truly inclusive Canadian event.


The only negatives I have heard have been it would remove the true round robin aspect where everyone plays everyone else and issues with seeding. I can't see where these are so big as to override the opportunity to give every province and territory the full Brier experience.

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All the stats can be interpreted and skewed in favour of how you want the outcome perceived.

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Yeah this probably is the best solution besides relegation but apparently it was discussed and shot down by the M.A's. I don't know why they just can't expand the brier, with the ratings it gets a few more days would probably make more for them. Canadians are showing that they want more curling.

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Why not make the Brier/STOH longer?

1. Venues are bloody expensive.
2. Venues' schedules already stretched - do you think the Calgary Flames would want an even longer road trip than the one they were forced into for this year's Brier?
3. The event is long, taxing, and gruelling enough on the players already.
4. TSN has lots of other sporting events they are obligated to cover. They already clear their schedules (now on multiple channels) to broadcast 3 draws a day for 9 days.
5. The players already have a hard enough time getting the time off work - Greg Balsdon and team, for example, had to significantly scale back their playing schedule this year after using up so many vacation days for last year's Brier.

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Why not make the Brier/STOH longer?

1. Venues are bloody expensive.
2. Venues' schedules already stretched - do you think the Calgary Flames would want an even longer road trip than the one they were forced into for this year's Brier?
3. The event is long, taxing, and gruelling enough on the players already.
4. TSN has lots of other sporting events they are obligated to cover. They already clear their schedules (now on multiple channels) to broadcast 3 draws a day for 9 days.
5. The players already have a hard enough time getting the time off work - Greg Balsdon and team, for example, had to significantly scale back their playing schedule this year after using up so many vacation days for last year's Brier.

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By making it longer I met like one or two days which they already have the venue for any ways. This would avoid teams playing 3 draws a day which would happen or could even fit in more teams solving the whole issue. Fill in the time that they have for the pre qualifier with the main event. I believe that started on Thursday which is 2 whole days. We all know tsn has nothing since losing hockey to Rogers.

By the sounds of it Curling Canada doesn't want to do big arena venues that much anymore so it's easier to work with Chl teams than nhl. Look at ottawa they are in the civic center not canadian tire centre.

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