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misty1
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Winning the Bernese cup isn't a big deal, it's a weak event, Red Deer even though it's a small event, did have some decent teams, so I'll give a bit of credit there. So they did do alright.
Because Tirinzoni is much better now than a few years ago.
and the QF at the masters, you going to write that off too?
they had a great season on tour.
they broke into the top 10, in the year to date total they are 8th .
as far as tirinzoni goes..there is no improvement with her. she has always done well on the cash tour and won a lot of money.
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are you actually going to sit here and claim that jones and her team have looked at all like themselves. The only point people are trying to make is that she doesnt look herself here. thats all. so what exactly it is that you have a problem with i dont know
Are you actually going to sit here and claim that jones and her team have played badly while attaining a 9-2 RR record at the world championships ? What on earth does that say about the other teams then ?
To answer your question, most definitely yes, I am claiming Team Jones have looked themselves. They frequently are inconsistent in RRs but win enough to get a good chance to win the event. Seems like good planning to me.
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and the QF at the masters, you going to write that off too?
they had a great season on tour.
They finished tied for 5th there, with the 2 other Swiss teams plus Middaugh, behind Jones, Homan, Sigfridsson and losing to Sweeting in the QF, it's good I suppose. No really good teams at the StuSells except for Tirinzoni, who they lost the final to. I'm not writing them off, they have had a fairly good season, just putting what they have done into perspective vs. what they did this week and I think that Ott has a lot to do with it.
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| 03-19-15 09:32PM |
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misty1
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Are you actually going to sit here and claim that jones and her team have played badly while attaining a 9-2 RR record at the world championships ? What on earth does that say about the other teams then ?
To answer your question, most definitely yes, I am claiming Team Jones have looked themselves. They frequently are inconsistent in RRs but win enough to get a good chance to win the event. Seems like good planning to me.
There is obviously no point in trying to talk with you since you seem to think you are never wrong.
you remind me of a certain poster over on tennis forum who is the same way.thinks he knows the sport better than anyone else on the forum and looks down on everyone else.
they have not been at their best and im sure jen would say that herself
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They finished tied for 5th there, with the 2 other Swiss teams plus Middaugh, behind Jones, Homan, Sigfridsson and losing to Sweeting in the QF, it's good I suppose. No really good teams at the StuSells except for Tirinzoni, who they lost the final to. I'm not writing them off, they have had a fairly good season, just putting what they have done into perspective vs. what they did this week and I think that Ott has a lot to do with it.
if getting to number 10 in the world from where they were last year is a fairly okay season then ..i think a lot of teams would take that.
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If Switzerland were a Canadian province it would probably be the toughest province to get out of. Five world class teams - six if Mirjam Ott was still on the ice!
What Canadian province has more than two world class teams?
Alberta? Maybe?
Manitoba? Jones and who else?
Ontario? Probably 3 or 4 teams that would go anywhere from 3-8 to 5-6 plus Homan, who's obviously elite!
The Swiss have 3 WC teams, Tirinzoni, Feltscher and Paetz. But it's not a province.
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and the QF at the masters, you going to write that off too?
they had a great season on tour.
they broke into the top 10, in the year to date total they are 8th .
as far as tirinzoni goes..there is no improvement with her. she has always done well on the cash tour and won a lot of money.
Of course Tirinzoni has improved since a few years ago, she wasn't ranked #5 then.
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Of course Tirinzoni has improved since a few years ago, she wasn't ranked #5 then.
she has been strong on tour for a while now. she always wons a lot of money but then it comes down to major championships and she is a non factor. maybe its the mental side that lets her down, i dont know.
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she has been strong on tour for a while now. she always wons a lot of money but then it comes down to major championships and she is a non factor. maybe its the mental side that lets her down, i dont know.
I'm not talking about money, I'm talking about the order of merit, she may have played the tour for awhile, but she wasn't top 10, she's now top 5, but only now has she become a contender to win titles. Ok, now you are dismissing what she has done just like you thought I did with Paetz, she has been in 4 finals this year winning 1, so yeah, she is very much a factor.
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I'm not talking about money, I'm talking about the order of merit. Ok, now you are dismissing what she has done just like you thought I did with Paetz, she has been in 4 finals this year winning 1, so yeah, she is very much a factor.
okay, so i aknowledge she has has a great season. but the point im trying to make is that she has had a great cash season for the last 3 or 4 years now. she has a very good team.
when i say she is a non factor i speak of major international competition such as the world championship.in 3 appearances, one a recently as 2012 she failed to make playoffs.
so her history doesnt lend to the idea that she would be a better rep.
i dont know where to go to find a ranking history but she has been in the top 10, order of merit for at least 3 seasons
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I think the two biggest disappointments this week were Sweden and the USA.
USA not a huge surprise as all-star teams just don't seem to cut it. Even a low percentage but consistent Deb McCormick might have been able to cobble a 5-6 record.
Other HUGE disappointment is Sweden. Something is rotten in Denmark (errr Sweden)
Prtyz looked completely discombobulated once they were on a major skid. 5-6 is not acceptable for a rich curling country.
Sweden better pray that CC Ostlund's grooming program is near-complete. She appears to be the only one capable of doing better than Prytz/Sigfriddson combo.
its 2 years in a row sigfridsson has missed playoffs. last year you could chalk it up to fatigue.
i speculated earlier if peja might go with hasselborg or ostlund next year
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| 03-19-15 09:55PM |
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are you that naive as to what has gone on? ogasawara has won 2 events on the canadian tour this year and has a QF in another and has 2 wins over sweeting and a win over jaeggi this year
I never suggested they were equal to canada , all i did was point out that saying that they cant compete on the canadian tour isnt true
lene almost never comes to canada. she has played here twice and qualified one of the 2 times. we dont know how germany would do because, again they almost never come over to canada.In fact i dont think andrea once played in a canadian spiel and i know daniela hasnt. i dont think that they'd do well in a slam but certainly those teams could compete and do well in the weaker events and with enough exposure they could do better and move up to the bigger events
You're absolutely right on this and I'm absolutely wrong. I thought I watched most of the cash spiels this winter, but obviously I didn't. Kudos to you.
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okay, so i aknowledge she has has a great season. but the point im trying to make is that she has had a great cash season for the last 3 or 4 years now. she has a very good team.
when i say she is a non factor i speak of major international competition such as the world championship.in 3 appearances, one a recently as 2012 she failed to make playoffs.
so her history doesnt lend to the idea that she would be a better rep.
i dont know where to go to find a ranking history but she has been in the top 10, order of merit for at least 3 seasons
The year they did not make the playoffs they did play tiebreakers, they had to win 2 TB's just to make playoffs, they did win 1 over Russia, but could not take out the US, so I would hardly call that not a good performance, there was some bad luck involved. I would certainly put them in instead of Paetz, because of their experience, they played 2nd fiddle to Ott for a long time. I did not realize she had been in as far back as 06' and 07'. The last time was 13' btw.
You may be right about her ranking, but I'm pretty sure she's hovered around 10 for a few years and has now really broken through.
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Tirinzoni would have also probably at least made the playoffs here I'm sure. But as we saw with Sweden, even the best teams can miss the playoffs. Just saying I think having Ott as coach has made Patz even better this week and that's why they finished higher than people expected.
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The year they did not make the playoffs they did play tiebreakers, they had to win 2 TB's just to make playoffs, they did win 1 over Russia, but could not take out the US, so I would hardly call that not a good performance, there was some bad luck involved. I would certainly put them in instead of Paetz, because of their experience, they played 2nd fiddle to Ott for a long time. I did not realize she had been in as far back as 06' and 07'. The last time was 13' btw.
You may be right about her ranking, but I'm pretty sure she's hovered around 10 for a few years and has now really broken through.
i dont know. i think silvana herself is probably one of the single most talented shot makers switzerland has ever produced. whats plagued her has been that she hasnt had the team to back her up. this is basically the same team she had in 2013 so the question is could she do better this year.
the thing about silvana is she is prone to random losses, case in point the loss to latvia in 2013
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Tirinzoni would have also probably at least made the playoffs here I'm sure. But as we saw with Sweden, even the best teams can miss the playoffs. Just saying I think having Ott as coach has made Patz even better this week and that's why they finished higher than people expected.
i agree with you that i think mirjam has had a huge positive impact on alina. it helps that she was altnerate for mirjam for a couple years before her retirement so they know each other well. and when you have the best skip of all time out of switzerland as your coach only good things can happen
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i dont know. i think silvana herself is probably one of the single most talented shot makers switzerland has ever produced. whats plagued her has been that she hasnt had the team to back her up. this is basically the same team she had in 2013 so the question is could she do better this year.
the thing about silvana is she is prone to random losses, case in point the loss to latvia in 2013
Is every loss so random though, I partly mean as we've seen in the womens game maybe more than the men is that they are less consistent IMO, we also know that the Riga ice wasn't that good, it's pretty hard to win every game at a worlds. I mean Sweden lost to the US and Germany, so even good teams can lose to teams who will likely miss the playoffs, it depends on the week. What about Patz's "random" loss to Denmark too.
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I have to take Scotland over Russia, what a performance from them over China.
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I take back anything negative I said about Paetz, for them in only their 2nd year on tour to be #10 in the world so quickly is just incredible, the rest of the world better take note, this team will likely be at least challenging for #1 next season, but Jones has a huge lead, so it could be tough to actually be #1.
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The Russians have a ton of fire-power but Eve is just plum nuclear!!!
Yeah, Eve just dominates Anna.
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its 2 years in a row sigfridsson has missed playoffs. last year you could chalk it up to fatigue.
i speculated earlier if peja might go with hasselborg or ostlund next year
Last year was also incredibly bad luck, I mean they had a pretty good record at 8-3, but it was only good enough for a TB, like how often does 8-3 only get you a TB, basically never, which they lost to Korea, so I don't really fault them for that.
What happened to Norberg, team Sig's main Swedish rivals.
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