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You know, it seems very clear to me that the only reason for the challenge round is to appease the Yukon, NWT and Nunavut. Three areas even when combined, as was pointed out previously, fail to have more curlers than PEI.

Why is it, when they already have a spot that they contend for and consistently low finishes, that we suddenly need to give them each berths or entertain the truly stupid idea of a challenge round?

If they had the numbers to justify this then great! No problem! But they do not. I sympathize with their geographical reality and agree with an earlier suggestion that the CCA fund the travel costs for their combined championship.

But if you're going this route for a sparsely populated area, then why isn't the GTA or Vancouver Island getting their own team?

Bring in Team Canada by all means and add another draw to the round robin. But throw away this challenge round crap. Its asinine!

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And that's what a lot of people are saying. There has to be a better way of doing this for all. You really think this is going to help I guantee you in won't. Keep curlers in our country from every province and territory curling this certainly won't. Because you really think people are going to take an extra few days to go to regulation. Not. Or we want is a better way than this. Why can't the powers that be listen and stop cantering to a few teams or my guess is maybe even one. I was at a cashspiel on the weekend in Charlottetown and this was brought up there is talk of maybe bending together in the Maritimes and speak up against this and hopefully something will happen. Also other things like strike, don't paying dues and other things. All we want is respect and don't cantering to a few teams. Which is happening way to much. I also see if this happens a very much decrease in attendance. People are agreeing to a two pool system might even increase more people going. I see this a slap in the face to the grassroots curlers in our country who support this throughout the years.

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I don't see anything wrong with having a relegation round at all! We want the best representative Canada can send to the Worlds and having a team Canada is the only way to ensure this happens. Is it fair for a team like Kevin Martin or Jeff Stoughton to not get to defend their World Championship title because they had one bad week but Colleen Jones or Jennifer Jones can win back to back to back Canadian Championships with a free entry? I hate it when some team comes out of nowhere and gets hot that week then goes to the Worlds and just can't make that magic happen again because they've never been there and don't know what to expect as Team Canada.

Also, there are posts on here every year complaining that Team New Brunswick or PEI didn't get time on TSN once they were eliminated from playoff contention while we watched Alberta or Manitoba game after game. Well if both of those teams are playing in the last draw of the round robin and the loser gets dropped to relegation..... that is drama that I would love to see! I can just picture the intensity both teams show to win that game and make sure they have a Brier to get back to next year. It would sure be a lot better than those teams just playing out the schedule.

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I don't see anything wrong with having a relegation round at all! We want the best representative Canada can send to the Worlds and having a team Canada is the only way to ensure this happens. Is it fair for a team like Kevin Martin or Jeff Stoughton to not get to defend their World Championship title because they had one bad week but Colleen Jones or Jennifer Jones can win back to back to back Canadian Championships with a free entry? I hate it when some team comes out of nowhere and gets hot that week then goes to the Worlds and just can't make that magic happen again because they've never been there and don't know what to expect as Team Canada.

Also, there are posts on here every year complaining that Team New Brunswick or PEI didn't get time on TSN once they were eliminated from playoff contention while we watched Alberta or Manitoba game after game. Well if both of those teams are playing in the last draw of the round robin and the loser gets dropped to relegation..... that is drama that I would love to see! I can just picture the intensity both teams show to win that game and make sure they have a Brier to get back to next year. It would sure be a lot better than those teams just playing out the schedule.

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Add a Team Canada to the Brier but cut out one Ontario Team.....why should they have 2

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But if you're going this route for a sparsely populated area, then why isn't the GTA or Vancouver Island getting their own team?
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I don't see anything wrong with having a relegation round at all! We want the best representative Canada can send to the Worlds and having a team Canada is the only way to ensure this happens. Is it fair for a team like Kevin Martin or Jeff Stoughton to not get to defend their World Championship title because they had one bad week but Colleen Jones or Jennifer Jones can win back to back to back Canadian Championships with a free entry? I hate it when some team comes out of nowhere and gets hot that week then goes to the Worlds and just can't make that magic happen again because they've never been there and don't know what to expect as Team Canada.

Also, there are posts on here every year complaining that Team New Brunswick or PEI didn't get time on TSN once they were eliminated from playoff contention while we watched Alberta or Manitoba game after game. Well if both of those teams are playing in the last draw of the round robin and the loser gets dropped to relegation..... that is drama that I would love to see! I can just picture the intensity both teams show to win that game and make sure they have a Brier to get back to next year. It would sure be a lot better than those teams just playing out the schedule.

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Add a Team Canada to the Brier but cut out one Ontario Team.....why should they have 2

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There are numerous reasons why.... part tradition, but mostly out of practicality. That's why they are introducing a Northern Ontario berth into the Scotties in 2015 as well.

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Yes. Before when the subject of team Canada came up it was at the expense of Northern Ontario. I think the solution the CCA came up with is better than that.

Now, I don't mind the notion of 13 teams, but I honestly don't see how this solution is worse. If you don't like it that's fine, just don't argue that it's about fairness.

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Part of the CCA solution is fine, however I'm also not crazy about the relegation round. I agree it would be best to let every team in and play out a full round robin. It's more draws and more days, but it's still the proper way to run the national championship.

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All the posters who don't want a Relegation round agree with you


For the seventh f'ing time we all want Team Canada with a 13 team draw. How does including three teams from the North and having a relegation round have anything to do with having a Team Canada that can win the worlds??Answer...nothing!

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Here's a thought...why don't we all just get on with our day with the realization that the CCA will make the best decision for fans and curlers alike.

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My concern is after all this fuss to include Nunavut, that they at least make an effort to have some sort of playdown not send the only team who signs up. This is what was happening at the Dominion Club playdowns. I don't mind including Yukon and NWT as they have had fairly competitive teams over the years.

Still not sure about the relegation round...

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My concern is after all this fuss to include Nunavut, that they at least make an effort to have some sort of playdown not send the only team who signs up. This is what was happening at the Dominion Club playdowns. I don't mind including Yukon and NWT as they have had fairly competitive teams over the years.

Still not sure about the relegation round...

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I pretty much agree with the "nay" comments mentioned here. If they were going to alter tradition anyway, I think they would have been better off to simply have two pools or some format like that and include everyone. Like a previous poster said, can't wait till the relegated team is Alberta, Manitoba or Saskatchewan!

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In the last 25 years, only once has a team west of Ontario been the worst team. That was Jim Packet's rink in 1997 from Saskatchewan. Other than that it has been Quebec once, NB, NS and NO twice each, PEI seven times and the Territories 10 times. The Territories went 0-11 in the 1999, 2004 and 2005 Briers. NO followed that up by going 0-11 in 2006.

So if you are looking for the worst team to be from a power province, you are likely going to be waiting a long time. With the way the tours are going now I'd place a large sum of money you won't see a team from Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan or Alberta in the bottom spot for the next 50 years. BC would be much more likely to do it than any of those provinces, but it'd still be highly improbable.

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My concern is after all this fuss to include Nunavut, that they at least make an effort to have some sort of playdown not send the only team who signs up. This is what was happening at the Dominion Club playdowns. I don't mind including Yukon and NWT as they have had fairly competitive teams over the years.

Still not sure about the relegation round...

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I think the best compromise is to allow all the teams (personally I don't think Nunavut deserves a spot. Because they have so few curlers), split the field into two pools based on each team's current CTRS ranking and send the two pool winners plus the next two best records (regardless of the pool) into the page playoff.

The CTRS should balance the strength of the pools as opposed to using data from previous years that would not be reflective of the team playing in the current event.

I think this, based on everything I've read here, makes for the fairest and best competition under the circumstances.

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Here we go again. The Brier is already superior to the Scotties with the absence of the unjustified Team Canada. It's better to select all teams in the national championships from this season's efforts, and not bringing in the winner from last year.

The Brier works well but they have decided to create a controversial and convoluted system that will have as many detractors as supporters.

The Brier ain't broke folks, it don't need fixing.

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Team Canada is a done deal.A vote from curlers and fans across the country would confirm it so let's get over that part of the equation.
For all those posters from Provines like PEI who fear being knocked out in the relegation round I would suggest the most productive argument should come from the Associations that would most be impacted from such a change.

Negotiate with the CCA about the possibility of a 13 team playdown with all the provinces including Team Canada participating.
It is an argument that could be won. They are not ever going back on including Team Canada so get over it. Also the Brier is never going to Pools nor should they.

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Negotiate with the CCA about the possibility of a 13 team playdown with all the provinces including Team Canada participating.

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So make it longer than it already is? It's nine days now. It will be ten with 12 more matches.

The least they could do is only have one team team from Ontario.

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The CCA is not going to pull Northern Ontarion from the Brier
They have been in it since 1927

Before PEI,NLBC and several other provinces so be realistic ......they are going nowhere

Presently the Brier starts Saturday and the Round Robin is over on Thursday night (6 days)
Then there are 3 days of Playoffs which some years is 4 games

A 13 Team Round Robin with playoffs can be played in the same time frame by using 5 sheets

The CCA uses 5 sheets in the Olmpic Trials and it works very well

Also the Teams arrive Thursday and if need be we could start with a draw Friday night

Thirteen teams with Team Canada works a lot better than a relegation round and all the logistics and heart break it will cause

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