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albetts
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Congrats Team Switzerland on a great win. Nice try Canada. You've had a busy year. Silver is a good win. Nothing to be embarrassed about here.
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| 03-22-15 06:54AM |
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sternwheeler
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nothing to be embarrassed about .......is right
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Congrats Team Switzerland on a great win. Nice try Canada. You've had a busy year. Silver is a good win. Nothing to be embarrassed about here.
when you look at other game between Russia vs Scotland that maybe was a tad you know?...We can 'hoot and hum all we want being gracious losers the J.J. rink Team Canada should still be recognized for their achievements...when playing for GOLD nobody likes to come in second best  also congratulations to Swiss rink and their coach Ott.
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| 03-22-15 07:56AM |
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misty1
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congrats to switzerland. very happy for them. What a fantastic debut on the international stage for this young team. losing just 1 game in their first major tournament together and defeating canada 3 times in the process. There are not many, if any who can say they have done that in one week
great start for mirjam as coach as well
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| 03-22-15 08:03AM |
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misty1
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after not winning gold for 22 years switzerland now won 3 times in 4 years, all with different skips. i believe they now have the most number of world champions in any country other than canada with 5.
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| 03-22-15 08:28AM |
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HotRocks
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12-1 World Tourney...
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Originally posted by misty1
congrats to switzerland. very happy for them. What a fantastic debut on the international stage for this young team. losing just 1 game in their first major tournament together and defeating canada 3 times in the process. There are not many, if any who can say they have done that in one week
great start for mirjam as coach as well
What a nice Team to watch as well.. calm and friendly Chemistry..
No frantic shreaking on close shots...
Great Future for this team.... and as you write. Marjam Ott got another well-deserved Gold..
Nice to see a Team who matched Canada shot for shot.. just as good at coming around guards..and drawing for a climatic Win....
Hopefully the YOUTH in Canada start coming to the fore..
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| 03-22-15 08:34AM |
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Giving Swiss those 3 steal points, really gave them the game.. But full kudos to them for their win -actually 3 wins over JJ
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| 03-22-15 08:36AM |
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sternwheeler
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thanks for them amazing Stats Misty1
[QUOTE]Originally posted by misty1
after not winning gold for 22 years switzerland now won 3 times in 4 years, all with different skips. i believe they now have the most number of world champions in any country other than canada with 5. [/QUOTE according to Wikipedia stats, Canada has won 15 Gold medals since 1980 over all with 32 Medals total, while the Swiss have won only 5 Gold medals since 1979 , overall 12 Medals , clearly Canada has the edge here but not in the last recent years since 2008 when incidentally J.J. last won her Gold Medal for Canada
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Par89
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JJ looked like she was too nervous, too much screaming. Telling Jilly she was tight, nice to see Jill say she wasn't.
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| 03-22-15 09:50AM |
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greenroad
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One winner today but two champions. Three in fact (the sport of curling) given the game especially with it's perils-of-pauline last shot. Will it or won't it? For a nanosecond there it looked as if after Paetz crashed it was going to come up short.
Congrats to the winner, runner-up and all involved in this year's World's.
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| 03-22-15 09:51AM |
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doubletakeout
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What a wild finish! After 6 ends of domination, Switzerland came perilously close to giving this one away. Credit to Paetz for finding her nerves just in time to toss that last beauty, and big congratulations to JJ for refusing to give up and digging in when it mattered most. She was an inch away from another legendary comeback story.
I wasn't quite sure what to expect from JJ this year considering the constant demands on the whole team after last year's Olympic run, but they've once again gone beyond anyone's expectations with another incredible season. These 4 athletes are the ultimate competitors and show incredible commitment to the game. What tremendous ambassadors for our sport and country. I'll be glad to cheer them on at the Players' Championship - and let's not forget that they've already got their trip booked to next year's STOH. It's proven very difficult in the past to get that maple leaf off their backs....
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| 03-22-15 09:56AM |
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HotRocks
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Scotland Time to reassess
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Originally posted by peteski
People should maybe not overreact to this result. The majority of this team won the world championship just two years ago. Plus, they won a slam this year, beating all three of Canada's big three in the playoffs. There's plenty of talent here.
Either way, this is still a top ten team in the world.
No argument on your points..BUT... this is a sponsored, PRO Team which seems to have burned out by worlds time....
That should NOT happen...this should have been the target to "Peak" for the season...
We didnt see enough of the Scots games to really be able to see if it is , in fact a lagging strategy issue or need to look for higher talent at a couple of positions
Eve's Chronic Health issue has to be in play as well.. a constant nutrition/ medical assessment and corrective action.. perhaps less travel to events close to Worlds, Olympic weeks?
This Team should be a major contender at season-end...not a dying quail to Teams they beat in the RR..
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Happy to see Russia pushing for better results.. getting rid of the "basketball" coach did wonders...
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Who..exactly...actually "coaches" this Team Canada ? ... seems there isnt one..just a token rep... who didnt get listened to when she does appear...
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| 03-22-15 10:04AM |
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doubletakeout
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Since it's become a bit of a thing here to pooh-pooh Wendy Morgan, here's an article explaining how she's been fitting in with Team Jones.
http://www.curling.ca/blog/2015/03/...ith-team-jones/
Rarely does JJ need strategic advice. It's the same with Kevin Martin, Glenn Howard, Jeff Stoughton, Brad Jacobs, Kevin Koe, Mike McEwen... those teams weren't and aren't calling time-outs for the coaches to tell them what shot to play. It's so much about team management, team dynamics, sport psychology...
The big upside of Wendy Morgan is she helped guide Canada's wheelchair curling team towards consecutive Paralympic gold medals, so she knows a bit about building a plan towards peaking at the most critical times. If you're not a Jennifer Jones fan, fine, but don't let that taint your opinion of one of Canada's top curling coaches.
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| 03-22-15 10:21AM |
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freezetothehack
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Notice who the team leaders (High Performance coaches) are:
Silver - Canada - Elaine Dagg Jackson - a Canadian
Now that's just too funny! Had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with anything this week.
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| 03-22-15 10:37AM |
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albetts
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quote:
Originally posted by doubletakeout
Since it's become a bit of a thing here to pooh-pooh Wendy Morgan, here's an article explaining how she's been fitting in with Team Jones.
http://www.curling.ca/blog/2015/03/...ith-team-jones/
Rarely does JJ need strategic advice. It's the same with Kevin Martin, Glenn Howard, Jeff Stoughton, Brad Jacobs, Kevin Koe, Mike McEwen... those teams weren't and aren't calling time-outs for the coaches to tell them what shot to play. It's so much about team management, team dynamics, sport psychology...
The big upside of Wendy Morgan is she helped guide Canada's wheelchair curling team towards consecutive Paralympic gold medals, so she knows a bit about building a plan towards peaking at the most critical times. If you're not a Jennifer Jones fan, fine, but don't let that taint your opinion of one of Canada's top curling coaches.
So true, Wendy has been crucial to Canada's wheelchair curlers. I think her position with the Jones rink is more media Q and A. Good article, enjoyable read. Thanks for sharing.
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| 03-22-15 10:50AM |
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doubletakeout
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freezetothehack - if you really think Elaine Dagg-Jackson did nothing, I'd urge you to reconsider.
Why does every country send a team leader AND a team coach to the world championships? Do you really think Elaine and Rick Lang are paid just to sit there and smile all week?
There is an entire team of coaches and support staff that travels with the curlers to help them achieve optimal performance. I know that while Janet Arnott was coaching Team Jones, Connie Laliberte was often in that supporting role. The CCA has now brought Renee Sonnenberg up to join the coaching ranks - there was an interesting article in her local paper.
http://www.dailyheraldtribune.com/2...ins-team-canada
I wonder if we might see Jeff Stoughton in a similar role? He's mentioned he's interested in a future in curling - just not on the ice. I wonder also if we'll start to see provincial associations put broader coaching staffs together to travel with them. How great would it be for future MB men's or junior champions to have someone like Stoughton along to help them navigate the stresses of a week-long national championship under the bright lights? With the advent of relegation where poor performances have greater consequences, we might start to see provincial associations take steps to help their athletes achieve peak performance, like the CCA has done at world events.
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| 03-22-15 11:36AM |
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peteski
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quote:
Originally posted by Manitoba Legend
She's truly a Ladyhawke....!!!
Female version of Ron "The Owl" Northcott
Owlina Paetz? No? Ok.
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| 03-22-15 11:46AM |
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milobloom
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However, its pretty obvious to this observer anyways that Jones is showing increased tension and stress in the big games. It may or may not be affecting her strategy but it is effecting her performance.
Whoa there ML. She just won a silver medal. Maybe the swan song you sing is a little premature?
Should every team that didn't win gold fold up and move on from curling and take up lawn bowling?
Agree, a couple of strategy calls by Jen that could be challenged, but nothing glaring that made the difference in the game.
Maybe we should give the Swiss team credit. They played great and earned the win.
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Phil_D
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Re: Scotland Time to reassess
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Originally posted by peteski
People should maybe not overreact to this result. The majority of this team won the world championship just two years ago. Plus, they won a slam this year, beating all three of Canada's big three in the playoffs. There's plenty of talent here.
Either way, this is still a top ten team in the world.
Agreed.
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Originally posted by HotRocks
No argument on your points..BUT... this is a sponsored, PRO Team which seems to have burned out by worlds time....
That should NOT happen...this should have been the target to "Peak" for the season...
We didnt see enough of the Scots games to really be able to see if it is , in fact a lagging strategy issue or need to look for higher talent at a couple of positions
Eve's Chronic Health issue has to be in play as well.. a constant nutrition/ medical assessment and corrective action.. perhaps less travel to events close to Worlds, Olympic weeks?
This Team should be a major contender at season-end...not a dying quail to Teams they beat in the RR..
Sometimes athletes/teams just come out and can't get anything going, happens in every sport. Yes, they are sponsored and a full-time team, but that doesn't make them immune to hitting a slump. Unfortunately for them it happened at Worlds this year, which (as you said and I agree with you on this) is the last place it should happen. Maybe they over-prepared for Worlds and were burned out from a grueling practice schedule. Maybe they psyched themselves out. Or, like I said, maybe they just hit a slump at the worst possible time.
Overall they've had a very up-and-down season. They struggled early on in some spiels, and then came out struggling at the European Championships. They had to fight for their bronze, and then bounced back to win the Canadian Open. After that though, other than the Continental Cup (which to me is more of an exhibition event) the only other event they played in before Worlds was the Scottish Championships.
It is their first year with Sarah Reid, so I think to some extent some inconsistency was to be expected. Not to mention the "hangover" that tends to happen after an Olympic season for some teams. And as has been said, Worlds is just one event, albeit a very important one.
This team has a lot of talent and a lot of experience, but they are still young in the grand scheme of things. Obviously there are things they need to work on and there may be some very specific issues to address, but I think it's premature to expect any major line-up or coaching changes. Scotland isn't Canada, and I think all the shake-ups and line-up changes that inevitably follow the Scotties/Brier (and Olympics every four years) sometimes taint people's view of things.
I think how they do at the Players Championship in two weeks will be very telling to say the least, but I think they'll bounce back from this and be fine.
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murphyj87
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Notice who the team leaders (High Performance coaches) are:
Silver - Canada - Elaine Dagg Jackson - a Canadian
Now that's just too funny! Had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with anything this week.
Well, Elaine was on the bench and had contact with the team from the time they won the STOH right to yesterday.
Wendy Morgan was team coach but Elaine was in Sapporo as team leader.
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Radio-Man
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I'd be surprised if Eve does anything drastic. Forget top 10 team, more like top 3 team. When Eve is 'on' I'd only put Homan ahead of her in terms of shot-making prowess and she's the best natural born leader in the women's game. Bad week is all.
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Phil_D
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I'd be surprised if Eve does anything drastic. Forget top 10 team, more like top 3 team. When Eve is 'on' I'd only put Homan ahead of her in terms of shot-making prowess and she's the best natural born leader in the women's game. Bad week is all.
Exactly.
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Radio-Man
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Just watched the final and was impressed by the Swiss. They played within themselves and didn't make too many mistakes. Real solid team. Love the Lydia Ko-esque glasses on Paetz.
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In all 3 losses to the swiss, Jones missed key shots in the middle of the game that would have made a huge difference. In the past she was the strength of the team. Not lately. Wonder if changes are on the horizon??
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doubletakeout
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Yeah, definitely. This lineup just had one of their best-ever seasons coming off an Olympic victory last year and were an inch away from a world championship. Definitely a recipe to blow up the team and make personnel changes.
Sheesh.
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Kudos to Team Canada for hanging in the game after a slow start. And credit to Swiss -- beating Canada 3 out of 3 is pretty decisive.
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