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Why then do you think Koe is making this move??? He must think this lineup has a better shot at the 2018 Olympics with this foursome than his current Canadian champion lineup. I must admit, that this baffles me as well.

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I think Kennedy is slightly better option at third. Brent and Marc are both great sweepers and shotmakers. What Marc brings to the table as a third is the ability to clear a lot granite fast. This allows Koe to call a hyper aggressive game knowing that Marc can bail him out when things go sideways. Whatever they decide it will be a great team. Brent and Marc are 2 of the best on the planet. It's a nice problem for Kevin to have!

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Just another case of curlers thumbing their noses at the rules. It's getting out of control and will only get worse if the CCA does change the rules for the elite few. I must wonder if these guys knew well before the CCA even votes on the issue, if they even do vote on it or just announce it, about allowing one out of province player per team, and if so, how did they know or did they pressure the CCA for the change?

And while on the topic, this was never discussed at any level like the relegation has been in the past. How do they bring about drastic change like this with no consultation. Seems like the CCA members are just like the political party in power, rubber stamp the motion or lose their position to sit with the opposition.

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Why then do you think Koe is making this move??? He must think this lineup has a better shot at the 2018 Olympics with this foursome than his current Canadian champion lineup. I must admit, that this baffles me as well.

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well it just my opinion, obviously you and he think differently. I just rate pat as a stronger third than what brent can be

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Marc Kennedy will be playing Third.

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You're entitled to your opinion -- we can't stop you from being wrong.

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I would be dumbfounded if Kennedy wasn't throwing vice rocks. It has long been my sense of it that the player's generally credit him with being just about the best thrower in the game period. The only one I would put ahead of him would be Middaugh, and even then only cause Wayne has been playing at that level longer. I'd put Kennedy and Koe in a dead heat.

I remember when he first broke on to the scene and I was watching him on the Nedohin web stream channel. The only thing more likely than him making the shot was Morris shouting down to Martin the second after Kennedy let go of the rock, "Weight's good". It was both funny to hear John saying it over and over, and a bit scary seeing how good this kid was. Especially for an Ontario and a Howard fan. He does not get the credit he deserves for being the guy to show the rest of the curling world how much more could be done with the runback than had been previously expected. And expect it we did whenever he was playing one.

Imagine Glenn with Wayne, Kennedy and Savill. Heck Glenn might have had a Brier or two like Rachel where he never had to throw his last rock.....well no....well maybe...lol....And don't get me wrong. Brent is a helluva player it's just that Kennedy is, well, better.

It would be one of the more inexplicable line-up choices we've ever seen to have Brent throwing third in a game that very rarely makes inexplicable choices. One of the few just got corrected this Brier with Nichols moving to second. Again Carruthers is a very good player it's just that Nichols has got more arrows in his quiver, and a higher gauge bow. What I'd pay money to see is Nichols ending up at third again in the not too distant and going toe to toe with Kennedy. Marc v Marc throwing it down the sheet at Mach 2. (Marc 2?:-)

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well it just my opinion, obviously you and he think differently. I just rate pat as a stronger third than what brent can be

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There are many thirds in the country better than Simmons. Kennedy may prove to be one of them.
Pat was the weakest player on the team, comparing positions.

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There are many thirds in the country better than Simmons. Kennedy may prove to be one of them.
Pat was the weakest player on the team, comparing positions.

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If your putting nedohin at one of the best thirds.. you need to watch more curling.

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I can only think of 4 myself:

middaugh
neufeld
mead
nedohin

curious as to who else you'd rank above pat.

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Morris
Fry

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As to why Koe is making this change. He has after all been to two Brier finals in the last three years with this line-up.

Well for one thing it should be remembered they used to play together from 2004 to 2006. Morris, Koe, Kennedy, Hebert. In retrospect how they didn't win more or even at all really is quite the mystery. If they'd stuck together would that have changed? It seems impossible it wouldn't have but we'll never know.

So they've been friends for a long time. They weren't winning and none of them would have been enjoying that. It seems clear too that the break-up must have been relatively amicable. In the time apart Koe found himself as a skip. Something that the team had been experimenting with before the split.

We don't know the timing of it. Did the 0 and 5 start at the Trials factor in? At a guess I'd say no, that it was in the works before that, but it's just a guess. And what a Trials too. Martin, Kennedy and Hebert being denied by their former teammate Johnny Mo. The players acted with a lot of class whatever the truth of their feelings might be. Just as is Team Koe right now. I would expect no less from curlers but still it's nice to see. (posters.......well.....:-)

What did without a doubt have something to do with it is that he lost the Brier Final. He has also 'only' won two Grand Slams with this group. I say 'only' cause there are just five skips that have won more than two. (Kevin, Glenn, Wayne, Jeff, McEwen) The fact of the matter is however that Koe has higher aspirations. He is aiming to be the next team to do what only Kevin and Glenn have done. I.e. Dominate the Brier and the Slams. And what only Martin, Morris, Kennedy and Hebert have done. Add an Olympic gold to that list.

As good as his team currently is he is getting an upgrade at every position. It may only be slight it can be argued, but slight is huge in a game of inches.

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I can only think of 4 myself:

middaugh
neufeld
mead


curious as to who else you'd rank above pat.

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How are people thinking the 2014-2015 Team Koe is new news? This has been available since the middle of February. All of those involved have been letting it out since then. It's sad when guys like Landry and CCA are commenting on it now like they just found out.

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it may not be news but it is now the news and it is placing individuals other than the new Koe team in situations of making cmomments re the news - from now until the Players, Kevin Martin and the balance of the old Koe team are going to be bombarded with questions of their plans - totally unfair to them

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BJ Neufeld is not better than Pat Simmons at Vice skip

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"Well for one thing it should be remembered they used to play together from 2004 to 2006. Morris, Koe, Kennedy, Hebert."


Paul Moffat was lead on that team.

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As to why Koe is making this change. He has after all been to two Brier finals in the last three years with this line-up.

Well for one thing it should be remembered they used to play together from 2004 to 2006. Morris, Koe, Kennedy, Hebert. In retrospect how they didn't win more or even at all really is quite the mystery.

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BJ Neufeld is not better than Pat Simmons at Vice skip

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Right you are. How the heck could I forget that? The joys of getting older I guess.....sigh.....I was misremembering who was tied at the hip. It was Morris who wouldn't go anywhere without Kennedy which was why Carter Rycroft got bumped from team Martin.

As for the correction it is not so minor really, but thank you for the gracious way of putting it.

And that solves the mystery as to why they didn't win Ben makes all the difference! A summation to which he'd be the first to agree I'm sure. Having such a great sense of humour and all:-)

I will however miss the comic stylings of Savill and Laing. Especially when Richie was vice there was no funnier team in curling....lol.....

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How are people thinking the 2014-2015 Team Koe is new news? This has been available since the middle of February. All of those involved have been letting it out since then. It's sad when guys like Landry and CCA are commenting on it now like they just found out.

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