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IMHO, I think it was low for Courtney to have known about this for weeks and JUST notified Sweeting Monday night. Talk about having no loyalty. That is not nice in the best of terms and in the worst... well, if I were Homan, I wouldn't trust her if she feels she can one up her as well. It reminds me of the analogy of the serial cheater--once a cheater, don't think they won't cheat on you.

Maybe people would feel my opinion above is too harsh, but she should have let Sweeting know about this right after she was approached so Sweeting and teammates wouldn't be left in the lurch now.

I can only hope things happen for a reason and my hopes are for team Sweeting to find a 'better' replacement, and possibly, if someone was looking at a team shakeup or coming out of juniors or university lineups, well, this may be their big break.

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You're serious? Courtney was offered this weeks ago but only decided to do it this past weekend. You're saying that the second she was asked she should have immediately let her team know? So everytime someone asks you about another job or you're looking for another job, you immediately go and tell your boss? Please! As soon as Courtney accepted the position, which was after the Worlds, she let Sweeting know. No harm no foul.

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You're serious? Courtney was offered this weeks ago but only decided to do it this past weekend. You're saying that the second she was asked she should have immediately let her team know? So everytime someone asks you about another job or you're looking for another job, you immediately go and tell your boss? Please! As soon as Courtney accepted the position, which was after the Worlds, she let Sweeting know. No harm no foul.

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I love all the speculation but believe it's much better to simply wait till teams publicly announce their lineups and confirm any changes. This way, the debate over these rumours would be relieved. With the majority of the big events having completed play, it won't be too long till all the dominoes fall. Correct me if I'm wrong but so far the new Koe rink is the only confirmed team, which will make for an interesting dynamic at Worlds.

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I love all the speculation but believe it's much better to simply wait till teams publicly announce their lineups and confirm any changes. This way, the debate over these rumours would be relieved. With the majority of the big events having completed play, it won't be too long till all the dominoes fall. Correct me if I'm wrong but so far the new Koe rink is the only confirmed team, which will make for an interesting dynamic at Worlds.

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Carmody is a very good young player but I don't think she'd give Sweeting any more than Courtney did. She's certainly not near as strong a brush as The Bandana.

If the rumours about Jones following Laing to Alberta are true then the one rumour that makes most sense is Jones skipping Sweeting's team.

If Jones is not a possiblity in Alberta then the two most prominent names to join Sweeting (at 3rd) are Beth Iskiw or Carey)....

Kaitlyn Lawes has also played in Alberta before (with Cathy King) so she could conceivably join Sweeting (if Jones were to hang it up or move out of Manitoba). However, I don't know if Sweeting could protect Kaitlyn as well as JJ did the last few years.

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Shouldn't change the dynamic at all, they knew months ago they were splitting at the end of the year and still won the brier. I don't see why it would affect their performance at Worlds.

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Please correct me if I am wrong. Need three original players to come back as Team Canada. What if Carter comes back as fifth player and Pat and Nolan play with two new curlers, would that be within the rules?

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Please correct me if I am wrong. Need three original players to come back as Team Canada. What if Carter comes back as fifth player and Pat and Nolan play with two new curlers, would that be within the rules?

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I'm sure team Koe will be fine at the World's. They've played together for so long that the ability to shut out distractions while on the ice is second nature.

There is also the not inconsiderable fact that the Canadian Men are far more dominant than the Canadian women at the World's. For example in the last six years the Canadian women have won zero golds wheras the men have won 4.

Since 1990 the men have won 15 and the women 9.

The men also pretty much never miss the playoffs. The only time they've finished out of the top 4 was the year McDuff represented us.

Then there are the Slams. An even better indication of our dominance as we get to field all of our best teams against the best of the rest of the world. In 51 Slams the rest of the world has carried away precisely, wait for it, none! Yowza.

Our women, as you'd expect, have also been far more dominant in the Slams than at the World's . Part of that however has to do with the fact that only recently have the women's teams from the rest of the world started sending their women to play a lot on our circuit. The men teams have been coming in force for much longer.

With this increased participation by the ROW women on the WCT money trail has come a marked increase in success. E.g. The Swiss have the 2,4, and 6 top money winners. Their fourth highest money winning team is 12th, oh, and also the World Champ:-) Eve is 3, Wang is 7 and Siderova is 8. So that makes six of the top ten money makers and three of the top five. One would expect at some point for this to turn in to more success at the Slams in the not too distant. So far though the ROW have won just 3 slams in the women's game.

In the men's game three teams are currently in the top ten of the money list. Sven 6, Liu 9 and Ulsruud 10. So none in the top five.

When it comes to men's curling we are pretty much as close to a lock as things come in sport.

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There are no locks on the doors and no bars on the windows, curling teams are not prisons. They are instead more like rock bands. You've got the lead singer, the skip, the lead guitarist, the vice, the bass player, the second, and the drummer, the lead.

And as with bands the players become very close by playing together over the years. This closeness however should not be confused with an arrangement that is immutable.

Unregistered does not know what happened in this case. So to be casting aspersions this dark at this young woman without the facts is to put it as generously as I can unwarranted.

If those directly involved can handle this situation with respect and class, surely those of us who have no skin in the game can emulate them.

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I dissagree. It is a fact that Courtney gave her word to team Sweeitng that she was committed to them for another four years. To lie to their face and keep this under wraps,thus limitting the team ss to who they can pick up is disgracefull. Team Sweeting has hanldled this with class after being dumped on big time. Courtney is the strongest sweeper in Canada because she trained and worked hard. But she is where she is today because of her three former team mates and she has slapped them in the face. it is very unethical how she went about this. any player with any scruples would have come clean long ago. I don't have as much class as team sweeting. I say alberta is better off without an athelte who would pull a stunt like this, I say good by and good ridence Joanne Courtney.

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No rumours yet on Mark Nichols? Mmmmm interesting. Definitely means someone would be leaving Team Gushue, but who? Would Mark put together a new team?

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You're making an assumption a four year commitment had already been finalized and agreed to. Do you have anything to back that up? If not, there's nothing wrong with what Courtney did.

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IF you you don't know the facts THEN you should not be making what are in essence quite vicious slanders against someone's character.

And IF you do know the facts you have been privy to information that is meant to remain within the family so to speak so THEN you most certainly shouldn't be speaking about it in a public forum.

These are the most basic IF-THEN statements imaginable. Surely we can rise to the level of adhering to the most basic rules of logic and respect.

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She left in March, not September. That's plenty of time to react when the dust settles on this season and players find out who is teamless and available. She did what she had to do. I'm guessing there isn't one person on this board who wouldn't have jumped on the chance to play on a team seen as the next dominant team in curling.

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Other than her childhood friend and teammate Geri Lynn Ramsey Erin hasn't been too lucky finding quality teammates. I think she's seen as a Kaitlyn Lawes clone who didn't get the big break. Lawes got on with JJ - Erin got on with Kathy O'Rourke, massive difference! Then she moved west and got on with Alberta's great glamour curler, Crystal Webster. Not good!

Funny, no one is speculating about Crystal Webster (39), Cathy Overton (45) coming in to gap fill for Sweeting. I think we all know the answer.

Cathy O, who still runs a business in Winnipeg must be looking at twitter with her head on a swivel. She can't possibly remain in Alberta for curling season and get mowed over by some of the best teams in the country. Right now, if she could bring some of her alberta mates into Manitoba, she just might be the top gun (if Jones retires or flees elsewhere). Carey's great front end remain free agents - Cathy would just have to find a monster 3rd (like Carmody, Iskiw, Kleibrink, etc.) to hunt down the Manitoba berth which if Jones and Carey are gone - is almost an auto-berth for a high performance team.

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Other than 1 good Scotties run, Carmody hasn't done anything.

She is young and might eventually get there, but until then, don't put her on any mantle.

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Never said Carmody was better than Lawes - just that Lawes got much better opportunities, especially Jones, Officer, Lawes & Arnot to mentor her. Despite breaking down in a couple big situations she's easily one of the 3 best at her position in Canada.

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Other than 1 good Scotties run, Carmody hasn't done anything.

She is young and might eventually get there, but until then, don't put her on any mantle.

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I dissagree. It is a fact that Courtney gave her word to team Sweeitng that she was committed to them for another four years. To lie to their face and keep this under wraps,thus limitting the team ss to who they can pick up is disgracefull. Team Sweeting has hanldled this with class after being dumped on big time. Courtney is the strongest sweeper in Canada because she trained and worked hard. But she is where she is today because of her three former team mates and she has slapped them in the face. it is very unethical how she went about this. any player with any scruples would have come clean long ago. I don't have as much class as team sweeting. I say alberta is better off without an athelte who would pull a stunt like this, I say good by and good ridence Joanne Courtney.

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I dissagree. It is a fact that Courtney gave her word to team Sweeitng that she was committed to them for another four years. To lie to their face and keep this under wraps,thus limitting the team ss to who they can pick up is disgracefull. Team Sweeting has hanldled this with class after being dumped on big time. Courtney is the strongest sweeper in Canada because she trained and worked hard. But she is where she is today because of her three former team mates and she has slapped them in the face. it is very unethical how she went about this. any player with any scruples would have come clean long ago. I don't have as much class as team sweeting. I say alberta is better off without an athelte who would pull a stunt like this, I say good by and good ridence Joanne Courtney.

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You don't seem to have to considered the fact that this was likely a very difficult decision for Joanne. On the surface it seems like a no- brainer that she'd leave to join Homan, but she's moving across the country to to so. She'll be living away from her husband for half the year... without getting into to much detail, that can often be a slippery slope for relationships/marriages. Then there is the connection to her Sweeting teammates which made the decision even more difficult, the last thing you want to do is hurt them or feel like you betrayed them. It seems obvious to me that the reason she didn't let her teammates no right away is because she was wrestling with these issues and emotions. She just wanted to be 100% sure she was doing the right thing before committing.

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She may have made that promise. But these days promises mean nothing to competitive players. At least sweating has several months to find a player.

When do you know a competitive curler is lying? When they use 'I promise' in a sentence! LMAO!

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