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curlerbroad
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Originally posted by Manitoba Legend
I completely forgot how putrid Scales and Bubbsey were. Was Jeff Stoughton even in the Manitoba championship field? If not that explains how these guys clawed their way to the Brier. Did K-Mart also sit out the Alberta championships?
I think that was the year of the boycott. I remember one skip had to choose between his pre- booked cruise & the wrath of his wife or the brier...he chose the brier, his wife went on the cruise.
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| 03-06-15 07:15PM |
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Rock Your World
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Originally posted by Manitoba Legend
I completely forgot how putrid Scales and Bubbsey were. Was Jeff Stoughton even in the Manitoba championship field? If not that explains how these guys clawed their way to the Brier. Did K-Mart also sit out the Alberta championships?
I don't think Stoughton was in the field for 2003 Safeway.. I believe he was in the field for the 2004 Safeway and lost in the final to Scales.. Pretty sure I remember Steve Gould saying that loss to Scales is the loss that bugs him the most in his career
The Martin/Walchuck/Rycroft/Bartlett team I believe participated in the Alberta championships in 2001.. Pretty sure they didn't participate in 2002 and 2003.. Have no clue regarding 2004 and I think they participated in 2005..
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| 03-06-15 07:54PM |
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Ajay
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Does any site provide individual curlers stats? It used to be on curlzone, which I liked. Thx
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| 03-06-15 08:27PM |
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Three
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Originally posted by mcgregorm89
Any luck finding another championship, no well that's cause one doesn't exist.
Sure it does, the UEFA Champions League (most prestigious club championship in Europe) gives its winner a pass into the next year's tournament should they not qualify high enough in their league to grab a regular qualification spot. This happened to Liverpool in 2005 when they won the Champions League but finished fifth in the Premier League (only top 4 get a spot).
In golf the US Open, British Open, Masters all give the previous years various exemptions into the next years tournament (for the Masters it's a lifetime exemption).
The America's Cup yachting champions' club gets a free pass to defend in the next series. All the challengers have to sail off against each other to take on the representative selected from the defending champions' club. Perhaps not the best example as it's a "challenge cup" but it allows me to quote Ric Flair and say that in yachting...."To be the Man, you've got to beat the Man!"
NASCAR reserves one spot in each race for the most recent Past Champion who could not qualify through other means.
Getting back to curling I think another quality team in the field is a good idea. So if there was no Team Canada this year we would have been forced to watch Nova Scotia or the Yukon go sub .500 or get bagled like NWT did this year? I get the arguments on both sides but I like the way it is now and am not bothered by how relegation works. TSN pretty much had TWO games of high quality each night and it made me happy to see so many high quality teams mix it up every night. I know the Grand Slams/Canada Cup pit high quality teams against each other every draw but none of those qualify you for the World's or name you Canada's Champion.
Times change, the Brier/Scotties will survive. Attendance is dropping but not because of this particular relegation change as it has been dropping slowly for years. People like their HD curling at home and I can't blame them for that. The NFL is having the same issue where TV beats the live game experience for many people. You can equate the Tail-Gaiting to the Patch and even that can't keep attendance up as TV ratings grow for both sports.
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Radio-Man
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The two highest scoring teams for the week, PF is 80 for both. The major difference is PA, where Jacobs is only 39 while Gushue is 61. Blank canvas now.
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| 03-06-15 08:30PM |
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misty1
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mark can more than hang with ryan . this will be a tight one for sure. i think it also really hinges heavily how how geoff and brett can stay with ryan and e.j in setting up an end. you cant leave mark and brad always trying to make hero shots
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| 03-06-15 09:20PM |
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mcgregorm89
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Originally posted by Ajay
And if you want a bunch of club curlers than watch the travellers curling club championships. The brier was made for the best curlers in Canada.
With the advent of olympic inclusion, a whole new level of professional curlers has evolved. Time/conditioning commitments, teams comprised of top curlers irrespective of origin, very costly travel commitments around the world etc. As a result the traditional teams comprised of friends or club teams that used to go to the brier and represent their province, no longer exist as the best teams in Canada. We all know some provinces second or third best teams may be better than the best of some province/territory, and therefore I feel our rep to world competition should come from the slam/money tournaments where all the best teams compete and have opportunity to win.
The Jacobs team consists of a cousin and 2 brother, olympic gold medallist, brier champs. Looks like a team of friends can still win big.
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| 03-06-15 09:23PM |
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mcgregorm89
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Originally posted by Three
Sure it does, the UEFA Champions League (most prestigious club championship in Europe) gives its winner a pass into the next year's tournament should they not qualify high enough in their league to grab a regular qualification spot. This happened to Liverpool in 2005 when they won the Champions League but finished fifth in the Premier League (only top 4 get a spot).
In golf the US Open, British Open, Masters all give the previous years various exemptions into the next years tournament (for the Masters it's a lifetime exemption).
The America's Cup yachting champions' club gets a free pass to defend in the next series. All the challengers have to sail off against each other to take on the representative selected from the defending champions' club. Perhaps not the best example as it's a "challenge cup" but it allows me to quote Ric Flair and say that in yachting...."To be the Man, you've got to beat the Man!"
NASCAR reserves one spot in each race for the most recent Past Champion who could not qualify through other means.
Getting back to curling I think another quality team in the field is a good idea. So if there was no Team Canada this year we would have been forced to watch Nova Scotia or the Yukon go sub .500 or get bagled like NWT did this year? I get the arguments on both sides but I like the way it is now and am not bothered by how relegation works. TSN pretty much had TWO games of high quality each night and it made me happy to see so many high quality teams mix it up every night. I know the Grand Slams/Canada Cup pit high quality teams against each other every draw but none of those qualify you for the World's or name you Canada's Champion.
Times change, the Brier/Scotties will survive. Attendance is dropping but not because of this particular relegation change as it has been dropping slowly for years. People like their HD curling at home and I can't blame them for that. The NFL is having the same issue where TV beats the live game experience for many people. You can equate the Tail-Gaiting to the Patch and even that can't keep attendance up as TV ratings grow for both sports.
My question was too name another canadian championship where all provinces and territories have equal representation not if the champions get byes.
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| 03-06-15 09:39PM |
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Sasquatch
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Location: Saskatchewan
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Do you think Russ is cheering for Newfoundland? He's being way more partisan than usual. They should have maybe got Mudryk to call this one. He must really want Gushue to get his first Brier title.
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| 03-06-15 09:41PM |
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Sasquatch
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Registered: Sep 2014
Location: Saskatchewan
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Originally posted by Rock Your World
Someone on here claimed Jamie Koe played the bronze medal game in 2012 on a half hours sleep
And reading his twitter account yeah Jamie Koe seems more excited about the Brier patch than anything else
I'm not sure about the half hour of sleep, but he definitely shut the Patch down the night before in fine form.
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| 03-06-15 09:55PM |
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IN-OFF-FOR-2
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For the love of God
Would someone please tell Vic after years and years how to pronounce Gushue. It's goo shoe. Not like the Asian golfer
Guzhu. He's mispronounced it since Brad has been in juniors. Russ, if you are his friend, tell him!
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5thstone
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Its a bad combination. Gushue is shooting lights out and is very determine to win. Jacob is just badly off sync.
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| 03-06-15 10:01PM |
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Three
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Registered: Feb 2015
Location: Canada
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Originally posted by mcgregorm89
My question was too name another canadian championship where all provinces and territories have equal representation not if the champions get byes.
Sorry Par, in my post I actually meant to quote Ventry with his question below, but got mixed up with your post that included his quote. Apologies.
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Originally posted by Ventry
What other governing body gives a free pass to past champions?
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| 03-06-15 10:06PM |
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Three
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Wow, big three by NO, did not see that coming a few shots ago. Gutsy call for sure.
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| 03-06-15 10:09PM |
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Sasquatch
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Location: Saskatchewan
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Originally posted by Three
Wow, big three by NO, did not see that coming a few shots ago. Gutsy call for sure.
Gushue should have played a back line or hack tap/take-out on shot stone on his last. There was zero room for error on his last shot and he hadn't thrown a draw all game.
Of course he was playing to make it and was probably feeling cheated after the result from his first shot.
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Jimbobogie
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Originally posted by mcgregorm89
And if you want a bunch of club curlers than watch the travellers curling club championships. The brier was made for the best curlers in Canada.
I just watched a game between a couple of folks named Jacobs and Gushue...they looked like a couple of pretty good rinks to me.
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gmay48
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do not worry nova scotia, nunuvut will not send a team next year and the yukon and nwt will soon follow. good plan by CCA to kill participation from the territories.
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yukonboy
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Originally posted by Jimbobogie
I just watched a game between a couple of folks named Jacobs and Gushue...they looked like a couple of pretty good rinks to me.
Two teams who have benefitted with being able to learn the ropes at the brier, among other places to become as skilled, experienced and as successful as they are today.
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| 03-07-15 03:39AM |
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peteski
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Originally posted by Ventry
That's what the Slam events are for, and the Canada Cup.
You're saying the Brier is not meant to have really good teams?
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| 03-07-15 04:27AM |
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mcgregorm89
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Originally posted by fresca
oh, and funded for two years by the feds at about $50k per player - thats fair to everyone
at least make the funding a one time only occurrence
Who gets funded 50k per player, cause if that's true I doubt any of the guys would still be working. 50 k plus tour money and sponsorships would be enough.
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mcgregorm89
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Originally posted by gmay48
do not worry nova scotia, nunuvut will not send a team next year and the yukon and nwt will soon follow. good plan by CCA to kill participation from the territories.
Good so everyone from nova scotia can stop complaining, now you guys are deciding not to participate.
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sternwheeler
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I was unable to watch this one two game played, Mmmm me thinks to beat them N.O. boys from the Sooooo one must play better to win..... tell that to the Gooooo shue , 'the back door" way is usually filled with anxious nerving moments WHERE it doesn't necessarily go your way.....with a little luck , rub, tick and score PERHAPS.... so it will be titillating to watch Saturday's playoff round and may the fans be treated to some great shot making moments... 
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Ventry
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Registered: Feb 2015
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Originally posted by peteski
You're saying the Brier is not meant to have really good teams?
The Brier is meant to have the best teams representing their provinces and territories.
If you want to watch the very best individual teams in Canada and the world play, then support the Slam events and the Canada Cup. As long as enough people support those events, they'll continue to happen.
As long as the CCA is a non-profit, government funded organization, their mandate should not be dictated solely by sponsorships and TV deals.
I think the importance of the Brier as a Canadian institution is getting overlooked. Having a team represent your province is a large part of what makes the Brier the Brier. I can tell you I will lose interest in the event if it becomes just another Slam event.
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| 03-07-15 07:11AM |
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curler2014
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Originally posted by Ventry
The Brier is meant to have the best teams representing their provinces and territories.
If you want to watch the very best individual teams in Canada and the world play, then support the Slam events and the Canada Cup. As long as enough people support those events, they'll continue to happen.
As long as the CCA is a non-profit, government funded organization, their mandate should not be dictated solely by sponsorships and TV deals.
I think the importance of the Brier as a Canadian institution is getting overlooked. Having a team represent your province is a large part of what makes the Brier the Brier. I can tell you I will lose interest in the event if it becomes just another Slam event.
Every province and territory are represented...just 3 of them will not be in the main event each year due to losing games early. How was it fair to have a pre-qualification for NWT/YK and NOT EVEN HAVE NU involved (they didn't even have the option to compete...), but now that it is actually showcased and teams other than the north are subject to this, you are all complaining.
Talk about double standard. I don't listen to people who's opinions contain double standard as they 1) don't understand the facts pre and post change and 2) they are only piping up because now it affects them.
So sad to see people say they are looking out for the best interest of the sport, when in reality, it is just looking out for them. High performance has nothing to do with the declining numbers at clubs and neither will this pre-qualification - if anything, it will force the provincial and territorial associations to do something different, create new interest, force people to get better, etc. How can that be a bad thing?
I mean come on...it's of the general consensus of this message forum that Jamie Koe is more there for the patch than to actually curl...only allow teams in after a win out there and he would probably approach things different...but he's fine taking his 9 day all inclusive vacation (flight, hotel, per diem, etc etc. all paid for by Curling Canada). Who's the real bad guy here? Maybe let someone else from NWT who actually wants to try to win get there instead of autoberthing Koe every year so he can get his drink on on Curling Canada's dime. #classy
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