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02-25-18 04:56PM
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Canadian Curling hits rock bottom

Men's, women's teams miss podium for first time ever


http://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/c...mpics-1.4551109

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02-25-18 05:12PM
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Read the article and noted that only the Leads were quoted (perhaps talked to) from the respective teams. Does that mean the skips were avoiding the media?

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OMG! Channel your inner REM folks!

'It's the end of the world as we know it,
It's the end of the world as we know it...' blah, blah, blah

We didn't medal, earth is still spinning, who cares, get over it.

Think about it. Maybe this is the best thing for the sport. Maybe now we see real growth and increased participation in countries like Korea and the USA.

Perhaps the CCA comes to its senses, stops the ridiculously long and grueling Olympic playdowns and let's-as it should-the previous years Brier and STOH winners train for almost a year and then go.

Otherwise we're still the most powerful and successful curling nation in the world. And that's not likely to change for a long time if ever.

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Well said Jamcan. Most fun I ever had at a bonspiel, was a summer spiel in Pittsburgh - old boy was teaching the opposition how to slide in the middle of the game...while our skip had a meltdown, I asked old boy why the lessons, he said it was because they loved the game. We ended up winning the whole thing - but more important was the enthusiasm in the US.

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Can't wait to see The Heavy Boyz land on the NBC morning show this week with their friends Hoda & Al Roker.

Then make their way up to NBC studio to do a laugh-fest with Jimmy Fallon.

What a wonderful gold medal.

Thrashing co-favorites Koe & Edin in back to back games!

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I feel positive about our sport. A jagged little pill never does much harm, and maybe a little good. If you don't love the game, you can always golf, or play bridge. These Olympics were gritty for Canadian fans, and after it all - we still put our socks on inside-out in the morning. Curling is a business and a living for many, but not for most. It is really, just a terrific game. No shame. No blame. Great game. Team Koe and Team Homan had a huge burden and maybe unrealistically high expectations, or low valuation of the competition. Lessons learned. Love Shuster's win. Love Kim's silver. And no country has the number of active curlers that we do. Lucky us.

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Canadian curling has not hit rock bottom. Just because you don't win a bonspiel doesn't mean the sport in your country is suffering. I maintain that the Olympics are not the be all and end all for demonstrating curling supremacy. Your are playing against the same competition you've played before and just because the overall event is bigger, doesn't mean that the win from a curling perspective is any more significant. The process each country chooses to select their team is not a predicator to winning the bonspiel. No team has never lost a game in their entire career and till that happens then we have to accept the fact that sometimes you don't execute as well as your opponents. That's life. Don't blame the selection process, pressure, schedule, coaching, etc. It sometimes comes down your team is going to lose. Being the best is a long term state, not one bonspiel win.

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Well said dks. Have any of these guys read Nolan Thiesens' piece that was posted 2 days ago - that two was a great opinion...better than doom and gloom which I do not believe.

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Canadian curling has not hit rock bottom. Just because you don't win a bonspiel doesn't mean the sport in your country is suffering. I maintain that the Olympics are not the be all and end all for demonstrating curling supremacy. Your are playing against the same competition you've played before and just because the overall event is bigger, doesn't mean that the win from a curling perspective is any more significant. The process each country chooses to select their team is not a predicator to winning the bonspiel. No team has never lost a game in their entire career and till that happens then we have to accept the fact that sometimes you don't execute as well as your opponents. That's life. Don't blame the selection process, pressure, schedule, coaching, etc. It sometimes comes down your team is going to lose. Being the best is a long term state, not one bonspiel win.


Yep pretty much nailed it.......

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Referring to the olympic games as just another bonspiel is a slap in the face to all the teams including Canadian teams that have won the Gold Medal.
It is a f$$$ing Gold medal not a piece of blue beef that they won.

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Decade- reread dks comments again. Did mention that Olympic was prestigious event, but went on to say that our teams play all those teams at virtually every slam. And the "piece of meat" is between $100,000 and $200,000. Per spiel. Our teams just happened to have a tough week which provided opportunities for other countries. Personally, after Koe lost the semi final, I was delighted to see Shuster win gold.

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In Mike Fournier's blog, he suggested having the trials earlier.

A number of other countries have their trials/selections earlier.

Would give the Olympic teams more time to prepare as opposed to 8 weeks as well as peak at the right time!

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Suggestion:

Don't panic. Maybe consider some minor changes around the edges of things, but it's one spiel, and really only one or two games.

The Olympics brings the best of all 10 teams competing. Upsets are going to happen. It doesn't mean your preparation sucks, it means both teams came to win, and even if you have a 95% chance to win, probability says you're going to lose 1 in 20.

If the CCA finds that it has a long run of lack of success...say 2-3 years worth of bad finishes at Worlds following this Olympic underperformance, then *maybe* it's time to make changes, but to overreact from one spiel is ridiculous...even if the spiel in question is themed with between four and six multicolored rings.

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In Mike Fournier's blog, he suggested having the trials earlier. A number of other countries have their trials/selections earlier. Would give the Olympic teams more time to prepare as opposed to 8 weeks as well as peak at the right time!

Brad Gushue also suggested 3-4 weeks earlier for Trials on his recent FB-Live. He was very candid and answered lots of interesting, opinion-based questions. Worth a listen.

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Thank you - I think I will try and find it and give it a good listen.

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I agree with him when says they should do away with team Canada and the wild card teams and do a full 14 team round robin. Even Brad says there's plenty of time to fit it in.

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it's interesting that that's now 2 big names in jones and gushue that have come out and spoken against the wild card entry. not that it means a damn thing though

curling canada have made it abundantly clear that they don't care at all what the curlers want

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Clarification: Jones was all for the wild-card CTRS entry, just didn't like forcing a 1-game playoff, making one team travel all that way to play one game and go home.

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this Olympics will give a boost to USA curling which will in turn help to strengthen curling in Canada.

The recent USA U18 Nationals demonstrated a broadening of the base of USA competitive curling. Shuster's success will inspire more USA teams to play on the tour in Canada. Eventually more/better tour events will appear in the USA. Our local club is seeing a deluge of new interest.

All of this will help both USA curling and curling in Canada.

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Clarification: Jones was all for the wild-card CTRS entry, just didn't like forcing a 1-game playoff, making one team travel all that way to play one game and go home.


okay. well, either way that's 2 big names speaking out against the way curling canada is doing things.pretty sure i also remember mudryk mentioning that she wasnt crazy about the new format with the pools. like i said though i doubt it'll make any difference. cca is almost as bad as the atp and wta in regard to actually listening to what the players say and taking opinions into account

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okay. well, either way that's 2 big names speaking out against the way curling canada is doing things.pretty sure i also remember mudryk mentioning that she wasnt crazy about the new format with the pools. like i said though i doubt it'll make any difference. cca is almost as bad as the atp and wta in regard to actually listening to what the players say and taking opinions into account



The problem here is people keep forgetting that it was the Provinces & Territories who forced the new format (and had the votes to push in the 16 team format for the Brier & Scotties). Curling Canada worked with a group of players who endorsed the Wild Card entry. It really was the only reasonable and fair option for a 16th team given the circumstances - the provinces wanted to make sure all teams played in playdowns and no one (except Team Canada) was pre-declared.

I'm not saying I love everything the CCA does nor do I know a player who likes this new 16 team format. But hey, it's just not that easy to be heard and I would imagine there are a lot of politics going on behind the scenes with the Provinces/Territories and CCA.

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I’d prefer 14 teams with no wild card and one Ontario entry. But that’s just me and other opinions are valid...

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The problem here is people keep forgetting that it was the Provinces & Territories who forced the new format (and had the votes to push in the 16 team format for the Brier & Scotties). Curling Canada worked with a group of players who endorsed the Wild Card entry. It really was the only reasonable and fair option for a 16th team given the circumstances - the provinces wanted to make sure all teams played in playdowns and no one (except Team Canada) was pre-declared.

I'm not saying I love everything the CCA does nor do I know a player who likes this new 16 team format. But hey, it's just not that easy to be heard and I would imagine there are a lot of politics going on behind the scenes with the Provinces/Territories and CCA.






PLEASE don't forget it was the CCA who bullied the smaller provinces into the relegation process to begin with. It was stated, accept relegation now or we'll make it worse. The example being threatening one team from Atlantic Canada or relegation. Vote now or else. Years ago I found the voting and posted it here and took some heat from other cz members (CCA in disguise) saying possible legal action but it was public knowledge for anyone to look up and see, and nothing came of it..

Many times it's been proven 14 teams 5 sheets like the slams, is easy to do. CC and or CCA refuses with little or no explanation as to why. Only thing I've heard them say is that it leaves less room for photographers!! Poor excuse.

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