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An interesting scenario would be if Gushue wins the Brier this year, then next year comes back as team Canada, but because his province has barely any curling, there might not even be an entry, or if their is the team will be weak and will probably be relegated, so they might not be in the next year, or Gushue might not defend, so would then have to play the qualifying to get back in, which he will most likely win of course.

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Anyone know what would happen if say NL didn't even have a team to send, I'm guessing then that 2 teams would get promoted instead of 1. I'm thinking though if Casey ends up finishing last, which doesn't look likely at this point, but if it did and Gushue won, that Casey would go back to the rock and have a team their maybe.

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St. John's is biding for the brier in 2017 which would keep them from relegation. Maybe that's an option for provinces facing relegation just try to host.

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St. John's is biding for the brier in 2017 which would keep them from relegation. Maybe that's an option for provinces facing relegation just try to host.

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Yeah, the hosting maybe screws up the relegation scenario, what is the rule for it, is their a rule that says if a province hosts, that they can't be relegated, which would mean the 2nd worst team would be, I don't think they'd be happy about it, and if the host were going to be relegated, they wouldn't be happy and it might be weird to fans to not see the host in there.

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Could he had been referring to Koe who was their skip.

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I like Gushue, and hope he eventually gets his Brier. But I don't like that he effectively gets a bye into the Brier every year. This year's NL tankard was just sad (a 2 team tourney).

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Overheard comments, did you hear ben Hebert after Pat Simmonns made a fantastic shot, "your old skip wouldn't have made that" within earshot of most curlers on their sheet. Don't know what relationship he has with John.

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The current format is still a National Championship. All provinces and territories had the opportunity to qualify.

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Do you think its fair that PEI had to play 3 more games than everyone else, or the Brier experience for 3 or 4 teams including having family and friends' support is essentially eliminated every year? Or for 3 to 4 provinces/territories the event is essentially just another Slam event?

Doesn't sound like an appropriate or fair 'national' championship to me.

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Last time I checked the territories are separate, it's like saying we only need one maritime entry. It's a national championship so every canadian province and territory deserves a spot. Just do away with team Canada, no other sports give a bye to the previous champions.

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My take on relegation is this...
1. Declare our Canadian champions that will represent Canada at the worlds from the Canada Cup .

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If it comes down to a choice having to be made between keeping the round robin format by only adding one more team, or this year's format, then I think its reasonable to add the NWT, lose team Canada, and encourage Nunavet with a travel subsidy to compete against the NWT.

If Nunavet reaches a point where they are just as strong as other Brier entries, then the format can be revisited.

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Do you think its fair that PEI had to play 3 more games than everyone else, or the Brier experience for 3 or 4 teams including having family and friends' support is essentially eliminated every year? Or for 3 to 4 provinces/territories the event is essentially just another Slam event?

Doesn't sound like an appropriate or fair 'national' championship to me.

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Fair is not the right argument against relegation. Is it fair that PEI had 6 teams enter playdowns while Ontario had 90, Alberta 67, Manitoba 62 and Saskatchewan 54? Or that Newfoundland has 2 teams play? Is is fair that in Ontario, teams had to play 2-3 weekends just to get to Provincials, while in PEI teams could signup and go? In Alberta and Saskatchewan it takes two weekends just to get to provincials.

Please don't use fairness as an argument. The Brier has never been about fairness.

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This has nothing to do with one team having to play another three or four games of curling prior to the brier.

To your point though, its a two way street.

Is it fair that teams from the maritimes are at a competitive disadvantage? It is not feasible for them to travel to the big events and gain the experience needed for success. They can compete at the junior level but not as well at the adult level.

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Casey has been at all of the slams and over in Europe and so has Gushue. It's only another 3 games played its actually an advantage if you look at it. That's 3 more games to read the ice, and know the rocks.

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Well maybe the CCA should pony up funds to help other maritime teams reach an acceptable competitive level.

I'm not sure the sweepers enjoy 3 more games.

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Well maybe the CCA should pony up funds to help other maritime teams reach an acceptable competitive level.

I'm not sure the sweepers enjoy 3 more games.

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This is so absurd. If you want to win, get better. There are many ways of doing so. Hit the gym, throw more rocks, canvas for sponsors so that you can get to one more spiel. You have to start small...if you expect to be going to all the slams and major events right off the bat, then sure, it's daunting and likely not feasible financially. But look at Brad Jacobs. He slowly got better, improved their fitness, more sponsors came to the table and he became olympic champion ahead of the likes of Martin, Howard, Koe, Stoughton, etc who clearly are earmarked for sponsors galore because they are from the west...oh wait now, no, because they are good, have paid their dues and have won some events.

Long story short...get better. There are many ways of doing so.

And yes, it should be up to the teams to get better...not the CCA to mass fund it, or even for the provincial associations to do so (though I would argue it is more the provincial associations responsibility to develop their athletes than it is the CCA's to develop on a provincial/territorial level...)

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Also...looking like NWT will be relegated unless they win their last 3.

Looks good on Jamie after his slander talk against the CCA when Galusha lost out. They all knew the rules going in. She has been there 11 times so her tears didn't phase me...get over it, you've played more games on that stage than 99.9% of female curlers. I wonder if Galusha will be tweeting how unfair it is that Jamie is now in relegation and why didn't the CCA allow easier teams in. #rummybears #getmetothepatch

Ummm...focus on #gettingbetter and you won't need #rummybears to drown out your losses and #thepatch shouldn't be the main focus of your week, Jamie.

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why don't the maritime provincial associations pony up thrir own money to mskr sure that their teams are competitive?

Life isn't fair , so why would you expect sports to be?

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This relegation issue is just a part of a Canadian tradition of trying to please everyone but you end up just pissing everyone off.

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You know, it is what is. It's either a national championship or its not. Excluding teams, or not making it worthwhile to compete, is not a way to grow the sport.

Exclusivity should not be the mandate of any 'Canadian' association. It's as simple as that.

I don't think there is a system that will satisfy everyone. How do you determine that one provincial playdown doesn't fit the criteria of being competitive enough.

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Thursday Morning at the Brier: two huge games, and two playing mostly for pride:

TSN has the big one: Gushue (7-2) vs Jacobs (9-0). Jacobs has locked up a place in the 1v2 game, and a win here will seal first place. With a loss, Gushue could fall back into some kind of tie with CAN/QC/SK/MB at the end of the week

CurlingGeek will follow: Morris/Simmons (CAN: 6-3) vs Menard (QC: 6-3). The winner stays at three losses and is guaranteed no worse than a tiebreaker. The loser goes to 4 losses and starts getting nervous. https://games.curlinggeek.com

BC at 3-5 plays the 0-8 NWT. Cotter needs to win to keep his faint hope of playoffs alive. NWT just needs a win.

PEI (2-6) vs NB (2-6) is mostly meaningless. There's still a chance one of these teams could fall to the bottom and be relegated, but that's about it.

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