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http://thechronicleherald.ca/letter...ing-debacle-now

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Dacey has it right. He is appalled the N.S. didn't have a rep. But, he is not blaming the Brier format. He is blaming the provincial organization(s) for lack of competitive play. In other words supply the goods and the skills will be better. This would give a chance to win out of relegation and stay out.

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Very interesting article for sure.

Without high performance camps, coaching courses, ice making courses or top level junior programs, a curling association will eventually struggle to field competitive teams.

The funding for the above, however, comes from the registers curlers in that association...

I do think that the associations need to start looking inwards at what the have to offer the curlers and clubs to maximize performance.

I could see how the smaller associations could potentially struggle with this...

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From Dacey's op-ed: "I will not go into great detail in a letter to the editor, but I can tell you that there is a great amount of evidence that this association is failing miserably at its attempt to conduct a provincial championship"

I get where he's going, and applaud him for it, but I think his piece would have been far more effective if he actually did call out the reasons and offer some possible solutions.

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Very interesting article for sure.

Without high performance camps, coaching courses, ice making courses or top level junior programs, a curling association will eventually struggle to field competitive teams.

The funding for the above, however, comes from the registers curlers in that association...

I do think that the associations need to start looking inwards at what the have to offer the curlers and clubs to maximize performance.

I could see how the smaller associations could potentially struggle with this...

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I have no problem with my association fees going to promot little rock and unior curling. Even if junior teams do not become regular tour players, they are the group that will help sustain our clubs. become our coaches, and become club board members. But I cannot get my head around using the same fees to support 40 yr old professional curlers who expect a free vacation every yr and yet do not want to use their own money to get better or to travel.

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I have no problem with my association fees going to promot little rock and unior curling. Even if junior teams do not become regular tour players, they are the group that will help sustain our clubs. become our coaches, and become club board members. But I cannot get my head around using the same fees to support 40 yr old professional curlers who expect a free vacation every yr and yet do not want to use their own money to get better or to travel.

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The only saving grace in manitoba (short of superstar teams now that Old Jeff has turned in) is both Reid & McEwen should easily return to the 32 team field. Calvert should, too - only question is who replaces Jeff as the 4th. 32 team field but only 4 or 5 teams w the stock to win.
Could be Matty Dunstone.
Unfortunately, only McEwen (when on form) can stand up to the shot pelting & precision of Jacobs, Laycock, Simmons, Koe, Goo.

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Junior programming receives funding from the government's and provincial associations which in some provinces is more than others. But if they want a way to lower the price for members they could always get sponsors to help pick up the cost. It takes a little hard work to build a competitive which apparently is too hard for many.

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Junior programming receives funding from the government's and provincial associations which in some provinces is more than others. But if they want a way to lower the price for members they could always get sponsors to help pick up the cost. It takes a little hard work to build a competitive which apparently is too hard for many.

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What a load of pretention.

I'd rather see an association be it national or provincial have a primary focus on participation and accessibility over creating elite teams especially when government funding is involved.

I could care less if Canada "owns the podium" if it is at the expense of making the sport accessible and a national institution like the Brier.

Unlike almost every other winter sport, Curling is in incredible shape on its own to produce elite talent. That we are even close to losing ground to other countries is a complete red herring.

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Exactly. Yet there's another thread on the forum urging people to boycott the sponsors of the WC in Halifax next month. That's a really good way to express appreciation for the companies that DO help with the costs of curling.

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i am pretty sure the sponsors recognize that the boycott is a result of frustration, if anything it will create more attention...

perhaps an alternative to a boycott would be to purchase a Tim's, a roll of scot, some pintys, an. m&ms, and mail the bill to the sponsor thanking them for their sponsorship this year and asking them to use their influence to maintain the brier as a Natioal Championship with total representation... hopefully we have a fleet buyer for the Ford 150s. !!!!


i would not bother sending the letter to CC Aka CCA


i just logged onto telltimhortonsdotcom and took a survey, i told them i make a special effort to buy their products during the broadcasts in the comment section... said i supported The Brier and Scot etc as National Championships with Total Provincial and territory Participipation....

they were so delighted to hear my opinion they asked me to enter a contest ... which i did.. pretty easy

thx. Tims !!!!


and thx other sponsors !!

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The brier had full representation, the first time in 88 years that all of Canada could send a team.

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All regions of Canada could send a team before this. YK/NWT joined in the Brier in 1975.

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But not as a separate entry and Nunuvut had no representation. Why did it take till 1975 for the territories when they joined Canada in 1870 and 1898! Another example that since its creation the brier has been excluding parts of Canada.

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Do your own research if you're that interested.

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I've done the research.

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The solution is simple and twofold:

One, go back to five sheets. Been done successfully in the past, no logical reason not to do it again.

Two, Yukon/NWT and Nunavut play off for one spot at the Brier and ALL provincial associations contribute money to help defer the travel costs. Every team plays a 13 team round robin and NO ONE is relegated

IF a day comes that any one of the three territories grows in competitive numbers to the size that warrants their own berth then revisit the situation. Until then the simple solution works best.

Stop penalizing future teams for the poor performance of someone else. Its like blaming children for the sins of their parents.

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I hate the relegation. Straight up garbage in my opinion. I dont like the idea of the northern teams playing off either tho. Should be a team canada and 1 team from every province or territory. That makes 14 teams if im not mistaken. So 2 more games then they play now. They dont play at all monday morning anymore and with the added sheet of ice they round robin would be no longer. 5 sheets works well at slams and clubs so its a no brainer to do it at the brier.


What really angers me the most is having a team from northern ontario. I know they have had it forever but what if Jacobs won this year. Who comes out of NO next year? Hackner? Or worse, Some team that just decided to throw a team in because there is only 6 teams at provs and somehow wins a couple games and goes to the brier. Why not have a northern manitoba team, nothern sask team, northern alberta team then too. In ontario you have 4 teams that could win usually so why is jacobs getting auto berthed in from northern ontario? Is there something I'm missing or was there a good reason for northern ontario?

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Actually it may have been worse if Gushue won. There was only one other team in the NFLD. Provincials

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with 14 teams playing a round robin you would need 19 draws with 5 sheets of ice.

Sat-2
Sun-3
mon-3
tue-3
wed-3
thur-3
fri-2
tie break fri night if needed
2nd tie break sat morn if needed
1vs2 sat aft
3vs4 sat night
semi sun morn
bronze sun aft
gold sun night

Play takes the exact same amout of time. Starts saturday afternoon and wraps up sunday night. Team Canada and Every province and territory is represented without a religation

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Is there something I'm missing or was there a good reason for northern ontario?

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Actually it may have been worse if Gushue won. There was only one other team in the NFLD. Provincials

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