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johnnysmoke
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Originally posted by gmay48
umpires always measure clockwise, never counter clockwise.
Yeah, because a painted circle and a hole drilled in the ice with a cordless drill are always exacting and precise. Anyway, wouldn't they just have egg on their face if they ran the device counter clockwise and got an ever-so-slightly different result..
In that case, I would ask them to re-measure, Clockwise, starting with the other rock and taking the long route around the clock.
In any case, the umpire seems to be in too much of a hurry. Hopefully this doesn't come back to burn them.
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Par
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History in the making? Kevin Koe hopes not!
Nobody answered the question I asked yesterday, so I felt compelled to do some digging. This is what I learned:
From 1995, when the Page Playoffs began, through 2014, at least one of Manitoba, Alberta and Ontario finished in the top four every year.
From 1980, when the three-team playoff began, through 1994, at least one of Manitoba, Alberta and Ontario finished in the top three every year.
Prior to 1979, there were no scheduled playoffs, but sometimes extra games were played to decide the first three places. In those years, at least one of Manitoba, Alberta and Ontario was in the top three, or in a tie-breaker, every year ... except the for first Brier in 1927, when Ontario finished fourth, and Alberta and Manitoba were not yet included in the field.
But to be sure, since 1928, when the Brier began including Alberta and Manitoba, there has never been a Brier in which Alberta, Manitoba, and Ontario all finished out of the top four.
In order to keep the streak alive, Alberta would need to beat NB and BC would need to beat Sask. Then Alberta would need to win two tie-breakers. I wouldn't put it past them, but it is a tall order.
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| 03-06-15 07:21AM |
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Ventry
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Originally posted by mcgregorm89
It's like beating a dead horse with you. All teams have a chance to come to the brier, some get sent home because they don't make the cut, think of golf or being eliminated in the playoffs.
Do you think it would be appropriate to send the juniors home after 2 or 3 games?
When you hear things such as the new format, namely Team Canada, is not endorsed by some notable past champions, that the 3 territories have only advocated to be included in other championships besides the Brier, and that one person seems to be the driving force behind this, it is worth 'beating a dead horse' to question an association whose funding by the feds means its interests should be for all Canadians.
The PGA can have whatever format they want because the are not supposed to represent the interest of the public.
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| 03-06-15 08:18AM |
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CurlingGeek
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Originally posted by BurnedStone
THANKS FOR THE COVERAGE GEEK
You're welcome!
Today's math is pretty simple: BC (5-5) v SK (6-4), if BC wins, then QC, SK and BC are all tied...and even AB can join the party if they beat NB.
TSN has BC v SK, and so will the geek.
On channel two, we'll cover ON v NT, and provide other updates as best we can.
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mcgregorm89
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Originally posted by Ventry
Do you think it would be appropriate to send the juniors home after 2 or 3 games?
When you hear things such as the new format, namely Team Canada, is not endorsed by some notable past champions, that the 3 territories have only advocated to be included in other championships besides the Brier, and that one person seems to be the driving force behind this, it is worth 'beating a dead horse' to question an association whose funding by the feds means its interests should be for all Canadians.
The PGA can have whatever format they want because the are not supposed to represent the interest of the public.
Every other sport has a governing body funded by the government but can you name me another sport that gives all provinces and territories equal representation. Look at the Canadian golf and tennis champs, they can be won by non canadian eateries. All of the Provinces have a chance some just lose that chance because they simply aren't good enough.
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Matrick66
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Re: History in the making? Kevin Koe hopes not!
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Originally posted by Par
Nobody answered the question I asked yesterday, so I felt compelled to do some digging. This is what I learned:
From 1995, when the Page Playoffs began, through 2014, at least one of Manitoba, Alberta and Ontario finished in the top four every year.
From 1980, when the three-team playoff began, through 1994, at least one of Manitoba, Alberta and Ontario finished in the top three every year.
Prior to 1979, there were no scheduled playoffs, but sometimes extra games were played to decide the first three places. In those years, at least one of Manitoba, Alberta and Ontario was in the top three, or in a tie-breaker, every year ... except the for first Brier in 1927, when Ontario finished fourth, and Alberta and Manitoba were not yet included in the field.
But to be sure, since 1928, when the Brier began including Alberta and Manitoba, there has never been a Brier in which Alberta, Manitoba, and Ontario all finished out of the top four.
In order to keep the streak alive, Alberta would need to beat NB and BC would need to beat Sask. Then Alberta would need to win two tie-breakers. I wouldn't put it past them, but it is a tall order.
Team Canada is also an Alberta Team and are currently qualified for the playoffs.
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| 03-06-15 11:24AM |
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Curl401
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For all the effort the CCA put into including the North
Relegation may serve to eliminate the North.
With the Territories heading to relegation next year with NS and the Yukon plus Nunavet if they show.
If NS wins we will be back to a Brier without the North and maybe without the North for quite some time.
10 Provinces
Team Canada
and Northern Ontario
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Ajay
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Xxwe talk about all provinces and territories being included to be fair and politically correct. Perhaps we should keep in mind that provincial teams may not be all that provincial. ie manitoba third, sask, lead is from Alberta. Plus, a team having trouble getting out of their province need just move to Nunavut and get to the brier annually, forever.
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| 03-06-15 11:41AM |
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milobloom
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RE: Curl401 losing the North
This is very likely and a very negative outcome of having a single team relegated. The Pre-Brier may not even take place if teams choose not to attend.
Let's look at a likely scenario:
Newfoundland wins the Brier this year. Their entry next year is relegated and Gushue is unable to defend their title as Team Canada, so they come back in 2017 to the Pre-Brier.
If NWT, Yukon and Nunanvut are all left to compete for a single spot against Gushue, they may just take a pass.
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wsj28
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Here's another scenario...
NFLD wins this year, their entry next year gets relegated.. but because the Brier will be in St. John's in 2017 they don't, infact, get relegated.
Or...
Ontario sends another sub-par team to the Brier, they end up getting relegated, but in 2017 the Brier is in Sault Ste Marie.. does that mean they get back in for being in the "host" province?
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| 03-06-15 12:01PM |
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Borough Boy
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Originally posted by wsj28
Here's another scenario...
NFLD wins this year, their entry next year gets relegated.. but because the Brier will be in St. John's in 2017 they don't, infact, get relegated.
Or...
Ontario sends another sub-par team to the Brier, they end up getting relegated, but in 2017 the Brier is in Sault Ste Marie.. does that mean they get back in for being in the "host" province?
Hmmm if you are going to slag a team at least get your facts straight, the SOO is in Northern Ontario, also home of Olympic and Brier Champion Brad Jacobs. You may of heard of him.
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Gerry
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Originally posted by wsj28
Here's another scenario...
NFLD wins this year, their entry next year gets relegated.. but because the Brier will be in St. John's in 2017 they don't, infact, get relegated.
Or...
Ontario sends another sub-par team to the Brier, they end up getting relegated, but in 2017 the Brier is in Sault Ste Marie.. does that mean they get back in for being in the "host" province?
Northern Ontario is the host in the 2nd scenario.
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| 03-06-15 12:06PM |
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rick8end
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Carruthers last game is "very important". Where do you come up with those kind of nuggets? He's a regular tour player and whether he goes 5-6 or 4-7 is irrelevant. It was a very bad week for a guy who is in his 4th Brier and who plays the regular tour. There's nothing acceptable about a 5-6 record...and right now it's leaning more to 4-7.
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wsj28
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Originally posted by Borough Boy
Hmmm if you are going to slag a team at least get your facts straight, the SOO is in Northern Ontario, also home of Olympic and Brier Champion Brad Jacobs. You may of heard of him.
Ah yes, the boys that like to whack others with their brooms.
I believe Northern Ontario is a region, not a province. Probably something else Curling Canada has overlooked.
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dbsdbs
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Originally posted by johnnysmoke
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe under the new Pre-Quelegation rules, it's a total draw to the button result with three of the teams being immediately escorted out the Saddledome and sent packing(with their personal articles in a cardboard box). Now stop your whinging!
If that were the case, why would there be a spot on the Brier draw for tie-breaker?
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Borough Boy
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Originally posted by wsj28
Ah yes, the boys that like to whack others with their brooms.
I believe Northern Ontario is a region, not a province. Probably something else Curling Canada has overlooked.
"Northern Ontario's separate entry exists due to historical precedent. Ever since the very first Brier has Northern Ontario been represented."
Yep that darn Curling Canada better get on this, its been missed since 1927, LOL.
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mcgregorm89
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Originally posted by Ajay
Xxwe talk about all provinces and territories being included to be fair and politically correct. Perhaps we should keep in mind that provincial teams may not be all that provincial. ie manitoba third, sask, lead is from Alberta. Plus, a team having trouble getting out of their province need just move to Nunavut and get to the brier annually, forever.
Very true, it's not as provincial anymore now that curlers are building their super teams.
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| 03-06-15 01:16PM |
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Ventry
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Originally posted by mcgregorm89
Every other sport has a governing body funded by the government but can you name me another sport that gives all provinces and territories equal representation. Look at the Canadian golf and tennis champs, they can be won by non canadian eateries. All of the Provinces have a chance some just lose that chance because they simply aren't good enough.
What other governing body gives a free pass to past champions?
The reasonable assessment of this specific scenario is the inclusion of Team Canada has created relegation. Unless there's a real issue with making it a 13 team round robin, they can add a 13th team, the Yukon/Nunavet, to the round robin no problem.
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curler2014
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Northern Ontario was one of the founding associations of the Canadian Curling Association/Curling Canada. You can't just get rid of them.
The other 13 member associations would have to first pass a motion to have a vote to remove them, and then pass a winning vote to remove them...it will never happen because it opens up precedent to remove other associations or amalgamate other associations - some may seem fit to rid ourselves of PEICA or amalgamate the maritime associations and if we don't want things like this to happen, perhaps it's best we leave Northern Ontario alone.
So to say it's historical is inaccurate. They are a voting member of the CCA/CC and they have rights and privileges just like the other provincial/territorial associations.
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curler2014
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Originally posted by Ventry
What other governing body gives a free pass to past champions?
The reasonable assessment of this specific scenario is the inclusion of Team Canada has created relegation. Unless there's a real issue with making it a 13 team round robin, they can add a 13th team, the Yukon/Nunavet, to the round robin no problem.
It's so easy, isn't it. To sit back and play armchair politician, peacekeeper, whatever.
Do you not think that Curling Canada has long thought out these things. It is also prudent to understand that Curling Canada did not themselves make these changes - it was a suggestion based on their research, talks with sponsors, talks with the federal government about losing funding because Curling Canada was not providing equitable access etc., that was then approved by the 14 member associations on a vote - of which only PEI voted it down, all others including NS, NB, NWT, YK, NU voted for this change. The change for equitable ACCESS...not equality... there's a difference.... is a move that I support. Ensuring everyone has access to the events is important (everyone has a chance to WIN their way in...what's wrong with losing and being eliminated? #getbetter)
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curler2014
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Originally posted by dbsdbs
If that were the case, why would there be a spot on the Brier draw for tie-breaker?
The difference is that these teams have a legit chance at winning and aren't just there for the party...so no, they shouldn't be eliminated based on draw to the button.
The pre-qualification teams, however, yes - you need to win to get in, so if you don't win, too bad, you had your chance, I'm all for elimination based on draw to the button...this thing shouldn't be drug out for days... and they should be escorted out...to the gym, to the practice ice, to wherever it is that they need to go to get better.
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Curl401
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If NL wins this year their entry next year is not relegated.
Gushue would be team Canada and the winner of NL is in
The relegation for next year has already been determined
NS
Yukon
Terr
Nunavat
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rick8end
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Agree with your statement that Carruthers "came apart at the seams". Maybe I should have seen it coming, but I never thought he would curl that badly. He did fairly well on the tour, although he always gave it up when it really mattered in the various event playoffs. I guess that was a tip off that the pressure gets to him. Too bad as his rink curled far better than expected.
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Originally posted by curler2014
The change for equitable ACCESS...not equality... there's a difference.... is a move that I support. Ensuring everyone has access to the events is important (everyone has a chance to WIN their way in...what's wrong with losing and being eliminated? #getbetter)
Equitable access. Travel thousands of miles, play three games and go home, or play 11 plus more games. Equitable, from a bureaucrats perspective.
Equality. Travel within your designated territorial region, playing games to earn a spot at the national championship. Then travel thousands of miles to play 11 or more games. Not equitable, yet efficient and appealing from a players perspective.
Curling Canada needs a new motto, "Equitable, yet stupid"
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Curl401
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Russ and Cheryl have done a nice job....she has learned the art of saying the minimum and it's refreshing.
Same can be said for Nedohin.
Cathy Gauthier goes on and on and on.
When players are miked we hear them.No need for her to repeat exactly what they said in HER Words.
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