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Pretty awful performance from Homan there, making a lot of half misses and it cost her in the end. She's in danger of going 7-4 now and with the win Sweeting locks up a place in the 1-2 Game, where she'll play Jones.

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They haven't been sharp all yr. Courtney is no Allie.

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I'm quite surprised with the finish of that game. Lorie OJ made a bad situation worse with her last shot. Homan had a chance to put Sweeting in Jail with a precision hit and she missed it. It was no gimme, but the type of shot you expect Rachel to make 9/10 times. Val made a nice raise takeout on her last one to get two, but owes her sweepers a pat on the back for holding it the whole way to make it by a whisker.

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you have zero confirmation kaitlyn is dating him. he lives in ontario, its very possible he is simply a friend of brent and 4jen

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You really need to branch out ML. There are other Canadian athletes besides JJ. You know every stat about JJ but you didn't know who Scott Moir is ?

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Yes, both Homan and Val seemed to wilt slightly under pressure. Homan made the shot she wanted but wiped out her 3rd shot on the side - which enable Val to have a chance to make the short angle raise for the W - and she barely pulled it off - I actually thought she turned it in . . .

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i know it wont happen but wouldnt it be something if rachel lost to new brunswick and northern ontario

on another note i know that most people will vote for alberta vs manitoba tomorrow but its in effect a meaningless game. we know they will play the 1 v.s 2 game. i would rather watch canada v.s northern ontario. there is a lot more meaning attached to this game. determines if northern ontario makes playoffs.

also, i know that it wont happen but if new brunswick does beat canada tonight it determines if they make playoffs. in fact if lightning did strike and rachel loses tonight you have to show her game tomorrow

i know no one thinks new brunswick will 2in but no one thought nova scotia would either

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Momentum is one of the biggest myths in all of sports. There have been numerous studies and with very few exceptions they have shown that it just doesn't exist within a game. (not to mention between games weeks apart)

1. One study tracked NBA shooting. It showed that a shooter who had made a number of shots in a row was just as likely to make his next shot as a shooter had missed a number of shots in a row. (assuming their overall yearly percentage was the same)

2. In baseball a hitter who has been "hot" is no more likely to get a hit than a hitter who has been cold because you don't know when his random hot hitting will stop. People who think that a 0.250 hitter who is 8 for his last 15 is more likely to get a hit than a 0.250 hitter who is 2 for his last 15 are just plain wrong.

To suggest that team Sweeting has some type of "momentum" across weeks of games is just absurd. They are a very good team and as they play more games together they'll be more consistent. Why use a stupid word like momentum. Leave it where it belongs. In a Physics classroom.

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i know it wont happen but wouldnt it be something if rachel lost to new brunswick and northern ontario

on another note i know that most people will vote for alberta vs manitoba tomorrow but its in effect a meaningless game. we know they will play the 1 v.s 2 game. i would rather watch canada v.s northern ontario. there is a lot more meaning attached to this game. determines if northern ontario makes playoffs.

also, i know that it wont happen but if new brunswick does beat canada tonight it determines if they make playoffs. in fact if lightning did strike and rachel loses tonight you have to show her game tomorrow

i know no one thinks new brunswick will 2in but no one thought nova scotia would either

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What's really got to be frustrating for team Canada is the fact that despite their performances not being at the level they've come to expect of themselves, the games are still coming down to the knife's edge. What will be fascinating to see is how they react going forward.

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Well Team Canada isn't as good as they were last year and Alberta is better,, Not likely a coincidence

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Will to win is a better trait than momentum. Momentum is a statistic. Will to win is innate!

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We can critique Homan (TC) til the cows come home but the fact remains they are a highly trained, highly skilled group of athletes. Rachel has had some heart-breaking moments for a young star. She lost an Ontario final the very meek Tracy Horgan a few years ago when she gunched her final stone.

She won back to back CANADIAN TITLES (one over Jones, other over Sweeting) but couldn't win the world title on either adventure.

She was subdued quite easily in the last Olympic trials.

She hasn't won a tournament final all season despite earning some good cash.

But there's two types you never write off - Killers & Mean Girls!
I like how Rachel is handling the adversity. Even after having Val rack her up - she took to the crowd and started signing autographs. No visible signs of moping or anger.

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Athletes reference momentum all the time

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Nobody can write off Rachel. True. She'll have her hands full with another defensive squad led by S Lawton in the 3 vs 4. Obviously, Team Homan is far better trained and can play a variety of games. Lawton depends mostly on Sherry Anderson's tremendous freezers to nullify opposition scoring. In a final rock showdown I think most folks in the know would want Homan throwing last brick vs. Lawton. But if Rachel is slightly off her game - Lawton could walk off with a W in a boring snooze-fest. Even if Tracy Horgan makes it into a tie-breaker either Homan or Lawton will make short work of the meek Northern Ontario outfit

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Do you know why? Because they heard some other athlete use the term and so they follow suit. 30 years ago athletes didn't use the word momentum at all.

Maybe we are talking about different things. You're talking about victories creating confidence which leads to more victories. Why call that momentum? Call it being confident and being able to produce under pressure.

What I'm talking about is how Vic Rauter uses the word momentum as something a team has within a game. Like when a team comes from being three down to take the lead he'll say that they now have the momentum.

It's completely untrue.

I challenge anybody to try this and prove me wrong.

Let's call blanking or scoring 2+ with hammer a positive result ans scoring one or giving up a steal a negative result.

Look at a 100 different cases where a team has 3 positive results in a row. Like team Sweeting in the first 3 ends tonight. Let's call this "having momentum" Then look at what happens in the end immediately after that. I'm willing to venture that it's close to a 50/50 split as to which team gets the positive result in that end. The only exception would be when one team is just much better than the other team like Nunuvut getting killed in junior games. Those games you have to throw out.

It's human nature to look for patterns in things that are just random. When two even;y matched teams play a 10 end curling game there aren't "changes in momentum" but rather just normal random fluctuations.

Like when you flip a coin (even teams) 10 times you almost never get HTHTHTHTHT. You get something like HHTTTHTHHT. I guess that means that a dime can have momentum.

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I'm enjoying Cheryl's commentary a lot. She's quite professional and certainly knows what she's talking about. However, she commented today that Val is much like Connie Laliberti. Tell me, when was the last time you walked in to a curling club and looked at the face of any skip and could tell if they were winning or losing. I agree Val and Connie are both cool but one can see cool detachment on many skips. I certainly don't believe that by looking at their faces you can tell whether or not they are winning or losing as Cheryl suggested. This is just a comment on my part but I think the comment was just silly. Cheryl seemed to be looking for something to say about Val's coolness in response to either Vic or Russ but I really don't think Val has the monopoly on cool. imho

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She definitely turned it in. She called them on it immediately after letting go.

Homan was a little unlucky on her 2nd shot to kill her other rock, but if she makes her first then Alberta is scrambling to even make 1.

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Whatever you want to call it, or whether it can be proven or it's unproven, it's the word athletes often use. Ok, it's a misuse of the word, but whatever you want to call it many athletes believe in the concept, or net result of constant positive affirmations and how it breeds greater BELIEF in oneself and how it leads to better results. Does it even really matter if it can be scientifically measured or proven?

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Radio Man, don't go there with this guy. Isn't this a curling forum? We'll do physics another time, not in the middle of the Scotties. Commentators say things. Russ seems to use the expression "exactly" a lot and sometimes this gets under my skin. imho

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I was going to use examples of religious faith but I thought against it. Best we don't go down that rabbit hole on a curling forum. :up:

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AB was pretty clearly the better team today. If it wasn't for Rachel's missed double rolling into an absolutely perfect spot in the 5th, it's a 3 point AB lead at the break and likely not the exciting finish it turned out to be.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised to see SK topple AB tonight. Completely meaningless game for AB (can't even secure top spot and hammer/choice of rocks) and very meaningful game for SK.

Also, I'd be shocked if CAN/NO wasn't the feature game tomorrow. The AB/MB game will only be for hammer in the 1vs2 game and the real AB/MB game will happen later Friday evening.

Side note: I think many people are realizing that despite being a great sweeper, Jo Courtney is not close to an elite level shot maker.

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AB was pretty clearly the better team today. If it wasn't for Rachel's missed double rolling into an absolutely perfect spot in the 5th, it's a 3 point AB lead at the break and likely not the exciting finish it turned out to be.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised to see SK topple AB tonight. Completely meaningless game for AB (can't even secure top spot and hammer/choice of rocks) and very meaningful game for SK.

Also, I'd be shocked if CAN/NO wasn't the feature game tomorrow. The AB/MB game will only be for hammer in the 1vs2 game and the real AB/MB game will happen later Friday evening.

Side note: I think many people are realizing that despite being a great sweeper, Jo Courtney is not close to an elite level shot maker.

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Cheryl's claim to fame is falling at the hands of the Big Swedes at Vancouver Olympics - a final Cheryl had in her grasp in both the final and extra end.

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oh wow. its early goings guys but new brunswick leads canada 3-0 after 3

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