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| 02-27-16 05:00PM |
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Manitoba did not have to pull the burnt rock, they could have placed it where they thought it should have been. It was clearly going to hit their rock, so they could have just said it was going to roll out. I hope that is what I would have done.
Agreed. What you are allowed to do is different than what you should do in the spirit of the game. Really unfortunate that they chose that option. It was going to be a good shot.
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| 02-27-16 05:09PM |
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Ajay
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I don't think teams should be put in the position to make the call. What call would referee have made? We know, he has to go by the rules.
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| 02-27-16 05:17PM |
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nelski
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rule states, that the non-offending team makes the decision. Irony.. this happened to Kerri against Jones (a few years back) Did this happen in THIS game too? or are you talking about the Selkirk call?
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| 02-27-16 05:23PM |
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Originally posted by nelski
rule states, that the non-offending team makes the decision. Irony.. this happened to Kerri against Jones (a few years back) Did this happen in THIS game too? or are you talking about the Selkirk call?
Happened in the 4th end of today's game. NO sweeper touched rock with foot.
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| 02-27-16 05:24PM |
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ott-am
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Originally posted by nelski
rule states, that the non-offending team makes the decision. Irony.. this happened to Kerri against Jones (a few years back) Did this happen in THIS game too? or are you talking about the Selkirk call?
It happened in this game. Ashley clearly burned it and admitted it right away, but there was no doubt it was going to hit a big piece of the Einarson rock. When Einarson sees the replay, she will realize she should not have pulled it. I do not agree with her comment at the five end interview that if it had been hit with the brush, she would not have pulled it, but she did because it was barely touched with Ashley's foot. She was making a distinction between burns with the brush versus burns with the foot, albeit grazes.
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| 02-27-16 05:28PM |
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Par89
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Thanks OttAm. It could have easily hit and stuck somewhere in the house but my first thought also was to say it might roll out. Then Manitoba could have thrown the blank. I have seen this before and that was best solution.
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| 02-27-16 05:36PM |
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JB42
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The blank would have been a perfect solution though I'm not sure if the rule allows that. The rule might be that you can either let it stand or you can pull it and put everything back.
I don't actually know the rule which is come to think of it terribly lax of me given how long I've been playing and skipping. Lucky it's never come up. So.....gotta go....and read me some rules:-)
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| 02-27-16 05:37PM |
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ott-am
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Thanks OttAm. It could have easily hit and stuck somewhere in the house but my first thought also was to say it might roll out. Then Manitoba could have thrown the blank. I have seen this before and that was best solution.
I agree that probably would have been the best outcome.
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| 02-27-16 05:40PM |
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nelski
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Well, considering Kerri was on the offending end of this, in a RR game (I think) against Jones, in the MB Scotties in Selkirk (2010?), we can be certain, she is completely acquainted with this rule and knows what she will do in any situation of this kind. It was a controversial call by Jones/COC and the fans were not impressed. Officials were called in but deferred to the non-offending team at that time. So, Kerri has been down this road. Always a shame though. Club curling is not equal to Officiated curling in every aspect
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| 02-27-16 05:45PM |
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I do not believe the etiquette should be different in club play or competitive play.
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| 02-27-16 05:49PM |
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Ajay
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I suspect when some of these "gentlemen" rules were made, there would not have been potentially a few hundred thousand dollars on the line.
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| 02-27-16 05:50PM |
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nelski
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I do not believe the etiquette should be different in club play or competitive play.
Agree. But the rules are different. I always remember a video of Ezeh (sp) of Russia, foot-burning a rock, and it stayed in play, because the opposition didn't see, or didn't know the rule. By having a consistent response to a rule, you are letting the game be played. Kerri accepts similar consequences. Coaches, probably advise this response. If emotions enter (should I? should I not?) it can mess with the rest of the game. Pat response. Done.
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| 02-27-16 05:51PM |
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JB42
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Rule 9 allows for the non-offending team to put them as they think they would have been had the rock not been burnt.
In other words that rock should not have been pulled - full stop.
That she has been on the other side of this and still decided to pull this rock adds to my disappointment at this decision by Einarson.
Rule 9 – Touched Delivered Stone in Motion, refers to a burnt rock. There are three options for a burnt rock and we will list them as a, b, and c. The first, a, is when a rock is burnt the non-offending team can decide to return the rocks to the way they were and take the burnt rock out of play. The second, b, is letting the rocks stand as they were at the completion of the shot. The third, c, is moving the rocks to a position that the non-offending team think would have happened had the rock not been burned. This rule, C, can only be enacted if/when the rock is burnt inside the far hog-line.
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| 02-27-16 05:52PM |
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Karma always gets the last word. Someday, somewhere it will bite back for Kerri.
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| 02-27-16 06:00PM |
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maybo
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Originally posted by curler2014
Hopefully Jones wins the semi and then demolishes Alberta.
Hopefully not. 
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| 02-27-16 06:01PM |
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nelski
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Karma always gets the last word. Someday, somewhere it will bite back for Kerri.
I also agree with this. Do you think Karma bit Jones back after she did precisely this thing to Kerri? It is an interesting situation. The thing I know, is that she had made her decision before the rock was burned. I would bet my favourite nickel that she handles it this way every time.
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| 02-27-16 06:09PM |
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Originally posted by nelski
Well, considering Kerri was on the offending end of this, in a RR game (I think) against Jones, in the MB Scotties in Selkirk (2010?), we can be certain, she is completely acquainted with this rule and knows what she will do in any situation of this kind. It was a controversial call by Jones/COC and the fans were not impressed. Officials were called in but deferred to the non-offending team at that time. So, Kerri has been down this road. Always a shame though. Club curling is not equal to Officiated curling in every aspect
The incident that you are referring to happened in Gimli in 2008. It happened almost a decade ago and it has absolutely zero relevance to the game tonight.
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| 02-27-16 06:18PM |
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decade
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The CA needs to realize that starting times for today's games are a true affront the these curlers. I know that TSN really runs the show but maybe the new CEO will have enough guts to say that some more flexibility is needed. No wonder that the winner of p3/4 rarely gets to the big show tomorrow.
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| 02-27-16 06:27PM |
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nelski
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OMG. Krista's % dropped dramatically after her first shot in 10. Did she really throw a zero? What happened?
edit: but she made her second shot, and that's what counts. Here comes the hammer.
So... McCarville steals the win. How exciting.
Big disappointment for Einarson. But that's curling. Can anyone tell me how the steal unfolded?
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| 02-27-16 06:32PM |
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dinorock2005
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Holy crap.
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| 02-27-16 06:34PM |
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Originally posted by nelski
OMG. Krista's % dropped dramatically after her first shot in 10. Did she really throw a zero? What happened?
edit: but she made her second shot, and that's what counts. Here comes the hammer.
Trying to draw in to protect shot rock and rubbed on guard. Scorer may have been a little harsh.
Way to go NO. Karma is a b***h
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| 02-27-16 06:36PM |
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Sasquatch
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So happy for McCarville and N.Ont. Heartbreaking for Kerri, but they should be proud of their first Scotties appearance.
I really hope McCarville keeps it going tonight against Jones. If they start the same way again tonight it won't be a close match.
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| 02-27-16 06:37PM |
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5thstone
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Choke, grrr... I can't perceive Northern Ontario beating Jones even if Jones has a bad game.
Having said that, I can see Manitoba winning the bronze tomorrow.
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| 02-27-16 06:41PM |
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Sean
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At least the 2nd time N.ONT has come back like that in a game(N.S.), shows everyone to not count them out tonight even though it will be an uphill battle.
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| 02-27-16 06:42PM |
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Par89
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Manitoba's front end needs to learn to keep quiet when skip going to throw big shot. They put so many negative thoughts in her head. When Viv comments on it, you know it is true .
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