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Sweeting and Homan's losses today handed JJ the Scotties on a silver platter.
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| 01-24-16 08:24PM |
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nelski
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It is very interesting to look back on who's who on Karla Thompson's team. It is as if BC teams have been sifting themselves to come together and now this is rising to the top. Former Kelly Scott players. Former Darcy Robertson players. Former Georgina Wheatcroft players. Former Kelley Law players. Former Van Osch players. This is not a team from out of nowhere. Seems like a ready to hit the nationals team. Let's see if they can skid past KScott and contend.
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| 01-24-16 08:26PM |
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Looks they are flying past Scott!
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| 01-24-16 08:31PM |
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misty1
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this is nuts.homan, scott and sweeting all going down today
think this will happen with the men? i wouldnt mind it..as long as epping wins ontario
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| 01-24-16 08:32PM |
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misty1
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Jean-michel menard though will be at the brier for Quebec
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| 01-24-16 08:40PM |
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Originally posted by Manitoba Legend
Its only half-time curlerbroad. Kelly has Karla where she wants her - time for 5 ends of nuttin' but pitti-patti
Curlerbroad - shouldn't you be working on your O HANADA sign for the parade? 
And you were 95% sure Brown or Van Osch or Scott would win BC
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| 01-24-16 08:51PM |
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misty1
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it'll be between Northwest Territories and British Columbia for who qualifies
I am not sure what to think of Karla Thompson's chances at the scotties because she never plays any of these other teams.
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| 01-24-16 08:55PM |
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nelski
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it'll be between Northwest Territories and British Columbia for who qualifies.
Oh! Is there still a pre-qual? I thought they'd nuked that dumb idea.
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| 01-24-16 09:10PM |
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curlerbroad
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Its only half-time curlerbroad. Kelly has Karla where she wants her - time for 5 ends of nuttin' but pitti-patti
Curlerbroad - shouldn't you be working on your O HANADA sign for the parade?
I can't while I feel sad for Ott-Am...but you said it earlier in the week RISE OF THE FAWNS
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| 01-25-16 09:34AM |
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misty1
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Re: 2016 STOH
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Originally posted by HotRocks
This year's STOH will be quite the challenge for the TSN crew to analyze all these new faces ( and old back-again faces)..
Team Hanna got the ON spot.. but I don't look forward to their
games of good basic strategy but very average skill..
The fight at the "top" will be between Jones and McCarville
there are good stories here this year. the return of larouche, mccarville and hanna
the break through of einarson
you dont need the top teams there to create an interesting event.these teams here are not nobodies, they arent novices. there are a lot of great teams at the scotties this year this year and it will be pretty competitive. there will be 3 clear favorites but, there isnt this big gap between them and everyone else so its not as assured who the final 4 will be as it usually is
about the only certainty is that jones will be there at the end
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| 01-25-16 10:08AM |
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Re: Much ado ^^^ as usual..
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Originally posted by HotRocks
Team Hanna had the very great luck of having not one but two Teams lose for her eventual win.
Team Harrison was the far superior Team and Team Homan's status is without question.
Team Homan lost a big game.. like they have before and will again at some time
What is lost from the 2016 STOH is Team Homan's great shotmaking
It is possible to win with luck. Maybe a pick that the opposition experiences at a horrible time, or a missed shot that ends up being good after it bounces off a few rocks, but these are rare. I also don't think this is what you are referring to. I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, that what you are saying is that Hannah didn't win. That Homan and Harrison lost.
The last I checked, Hannah was the Ontario champion. She WON because she pressed the other team into lower percentage shots. Shots that even amazingly consistent curlers can't always make. Give credit where it is due. Hannah won that championship and Homan and Harrison lost. Simple really.
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| 01-25-16 11:17AM |
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If we learned anything from yesterday's games, it's that lots of teams can be competitive and a one-game final is a total equalizer (i.e. anything can happen). My guess is that it will be one of the most competitive Scotties in some time and anyone suggesting that one team has a lock on it didn't learn a thing from yesterday. Taking any sort of credit away from the likes of Hanna and the less-surprising Carey is unfair to both rinks. They came up bigger when it mattered most.
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| 01-25-16 01:09PM |
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Russ
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Maybe elite teams need to play more on normal ice. The enhanced rocks and fantasy ice at slams doesn't prepare them well for the more challenging conditions on club ice.
Even the best club ice requires different skills from slam ice.
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| 01-25-16 03:10PM |
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Smallsey42
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Just a note - Hannah didn't win anything.
Hanna won the Ontario women's championship.
If we're going to insult or defend teams can we at least spell their names correctly?
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| 01-25-16 03:13PM |
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Originally posted by Russ
Maybe elite teams need to play more on normal ice. The enhanced rocks and fantasy ice at slams doesn't prepare them well for the more challenging conditions on club ice.
Even the best club ice requires different skills from slam ice.
Excellent point! No lively rocks and pristine ice at the club level.
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| 01-25-16 04:56PM |
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Maybe elite teams need to play more on normal ice. The enhanced rocks and fantasy ice at slams doesn't prepare them well for the more challenging conditions on club ice.
Even the best club ice requires different skills from slam ice.
I don't think anyone is blaming the ice for Homan's loss. They practice on curling club ice all the time, I don't think that an issue. Teams also play several tour events on during the season on club ice.
As for the "enhanced" rocks, they're no different than the rocks your club would get. The difference being they're typically close to new and still have the lively reactions.
The rocks used in Brampton are the same rocks that are used in the arena at the Men's Tankard as well.
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| 01-25-16 05:32PM |
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Provincial Playdowns
Scott, Sweeting, Homan, Flury and Arsenault all lost out so far.
Whole new crop of teams to Canadian Scoties.
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| 01-25-16 05:45PM |
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jamcan
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Originally posted by Gerry
As for the "enhanced" rocks, they're no different than the rocks your club would get. The difference being they're typically close to new and still have the lively reactions.
Whoa there hoss. The rocks we see at slams,national events and some provincials are NOT like club stones.
As much as some want to deny it, these stones have greatly reduced striking bands. This makes them more spherical and thus more lively. Age and granite type have almost nothing to do with it. It's mostly the narrow striking band causing a far different energy transfer due to a smaller impact area.
It's the reason why you can hit 7/8's of a stone and still roll out. And,as usual, this was done for TV to make more spectacular looking shots.
And before you try to refute this, be advised I have this information from icemakers and competitors so I trust the accuracy of their statements 100%.
Just another falsehood to make you think the slam competitors are better than everyone else.
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peteski
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Just another falsehood to make you think the slam competitors are better than everyone else.
As Gerry said, the slam competitors also play events at clubs with club rocks and win those events too. I suppose they're probably just lucky.
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Isn't it odd that three teams (McDonald, Sweeting and Homan) hadn't lost a meaningful game before the final. If it was double or triple knockout they would have had another chance. I realize that plays havoc with people organizing the events and with TV coverage.
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| 01-25-16 07:45PM |
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guido
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Isn't it odd that three teams (McDonald, Sweeting and Homan) hadn't lost a meaningful game before the final. If it was double or triple knockout they would have had another chance. I realize that plays havoc with people organizing the events and with TV coverage.
Alberta (Sweeting) was a triple knockout.
Doesn't matter what format you use when there is a playoff. If you lose the last game, you don't win the event.
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| 01-25-16 07:59PM |
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Triple knockout
AB was a modified triple knockout, Sweeting only lost once. A true triple knockout you have to lose 3 times. Much better. Winner of A drops to B semi, winner of B drops to C semi. Theoretically you could win all 3 finals and no need for playoffs. Much much better way of having the best team advance.
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Gerry
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Originally posted by jamcan
Whoa there hoss. The rocks we see at slams,national events and some provincials are NOT like club stones.
As much as some want to deny it, these stones have greatly reduced striking bands. This makes them more spherical and thus more lively. Age and granite type have almost nothing to do with it. It's mostly the narrow striking band causing a far different energy transfer due to a smaller impact area.
It's the reason why you can hit 7/8's of a stone and still roll out. And,as usual, this was done for TV to make more spectacular looking shots.
And before you try to refute this, be advised I have this information from icemakers and competitors so I trust the accuracy of their statements 100%.
Just another falsehood to make you think the slam competitors are better than everyone else.
The arena ice is more lively, sure because of the hardness of the surface and the warmer air temperature in the building but there's no difference in the rocks. I'd suggest giving Kim a call at Canada Curling Stone, one of the two company's who makes the rocks.
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| 01-25-16 09:43PM |
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Re: Triple knockout
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AB was a modified triple knockout, Sweeting only lost once. A true triple knockout you have to lose 3 times. Much better. Winner of A drops to B semi, winner of B drops to C semi. Theoretically you could win all 3 finals and no need for playoffs. Much much better way of having the best team advance.
I agree, but it's not conducive to tv scheduling. Plus all teams know the format before entering. The only provs that were a true triple was PEI. Less teams, lots of time for sched changing.
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jamcan
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The arena ice is more lively, sure because of the hardness of the surface and the warmer air temperature in the building but there's no difference in the rocks. I'd suggest giving Kim a call at Canada Curling Stone, one of the two company's who makes the rocks.
How is arena ice harder than club ice? And since warmth in an arena heats a stone and causes it to dig in by melting the ice (remember when they were actually covering stones so TV lights wouldn't heat them up?), just exactly how does that make a rock livelier?
I dont need to phone a supplier when its already visually apparent that striking bands at slam events and nationals are narrower than the stones at clubs.
However, here's a better idea. How about you grab a micrometer and measure the width of the striking band on those rocks used for Slam events and compare them to the ones at your home club and other local venues?
Now perhaps the new stones available from suppliers come with narrower striking bands. But the majority of stones at clubs have been around for years, and replacing them isn't cheap.
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