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I just watched a game between a couple of folks named Jacobs and Gushue...they looked like a couple of pretty good rinks to me.

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This my friends, is why people watch curling. It was exciting, intense, great shot making - this is what will generate new interest in the sport. If I'm a non-curler and sit down and watch this, wow. What a great impression of the game.

But...NS v NWT curling about 50% and missing open hits and open draws would have been just as good, no? #getbetter

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Gushue just needs a nap before/if playing N.O. again.

The whole team were just a tiny bit off. Not showing the brilliance we saw near the end of round robin play.

His freeze attempt was a gutsy call, but when he didn't make it,(team effort on blowing that shot) NO jumped all over them and put up a 3.

N.O. Kryptonite is in Fry's hands and is self-administered when the results aren't perfect. Frustration seems to set in. Brad Jacobs usually has the antidote with end-saving shots.

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The Brier is meant to have the best teams representing their provinces and territories.

If you want to watch the very best individual teams in Canada and the world play, then support the Slam events and the Canada Cup. As long as enough people support those events, they'll continue to happen.

As long as the CCA is a non-profit, government funded organization, their mandate should not be dictated solely by sponsorships and TV deals.

I think the importance of the Brier as a Canadian institution is getting overlooked. Having a team represent your province is a large part of what makes the Brier the Brier. I can tell you I will lose interest in the event if it becomes just another Slam event.

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It was remarkable to see a team play as well as Gushue's rink did yet still lose. It just shows what kind of level the Jacobs team is on that they can not be at their best yet can still go in for the kill at the faintest smell of blood.

It's hard to say that Gushue should do anything different strategically should he win the semi and get a rematch; they've just got to find a way to stay focused for 10 ends (and perhaps one more).

Jacobs tends to thrive on us-against-the-world situations; that team has a mentality that's more analogous to other team sports. Things weren't going well for Jacobs early on and the crowd really seemed to be behind Gushue. The Harndens and Fry seemed a tiny bit off their game early, were frustrated, and there seemed to be some negative talk and uncertainty of tactical decisions between the players.

Everybody likes to talk about what a fiery team Brad Jacobs has but the skip is so calm in the hack and can cooly throw the clutch shot. Jacobs is never getting himself worked up until after the end is over--he's almost expressionless otherwise. He knows, though, the team loves to get pumped up and feeds off of energy to raise their game. When he made that soft hit for three, I think Jacobs' screaming and fist-pumping was more to get the Harndens and Fry amped than it was for himself, and everybody can see what a boost it gave those guys going forward--they were superb in the 2nd half and took away the advantage on the first 12 rocks Gushue had earlier.

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Do you think Russ is cheering for Newfoundland? He's being way more partisan than usual. They should have maybe got Mudryk to call this one. He must really want Gushue to get his first Brier title.

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How many times did another Ontario team make any noise besides Howard? If no one could knock him off, how can you say there are other Ontario teams that could win the Brier?

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I completely forgot how putrid Scales and Bubbsey were. Was Jeff Stoughton even in the Manitoba championship field? If not that explains how these guys clawed their way to the Brier. Did K-Mart also sit out the Alberta championships?

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Several teams other than Howard won Ontario Tankards and did well. Howard was just so exceptional.

A fellow named Middaugh, most recently, winning record, just missing the playoffs. Peter Corner made the playoffs on his run. John Morris made the final, etc.

Also a fellow named Mike Harris while finishing with a winning record 6-5 just out of the playoffs, has on his resume an Olympic trials process win to represent Canada in Japan(silver medal).

Ontario is deep in talent thank you very much...

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The brier was the idea of George J. Cameron president of the W.L. Mackenzie company, Macdonald tobacco western representative and was pitched to and supported by Macdonald tobacco to gather the best curlers in the country. So the best curlers in the country competing at the brier is nothing new it was the original idea of the founders.

Without the sponsors than all of these curlers would be paying their own fees to get to, and stay at the brier. As you said Curling Canada is non profit so if you really think it's them paying for the whole show, think again.

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immo The Brier is still the pre-eminent event in mens curling.

However, rather than have relegatory playoffs for best bottom-feeder why not invite The Grand Slam Champion into the event?

Guys like Mike McEwen would stand a much better chance of participating vs. a glorified curler/bar patron like Jamie Koe.

Look how good the curling has been this year with 5 or 6 hi-grade teams. Imagine how much better and tougher the slog would be with another!

Making the game better should be the prime directive. Not playing politics with a legendary event!

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If you really think the sponsors and TV partners are taking a loss to support the Brier, think again.

Is the Brier operating on a razor thin budget? TSN covered 30 draws so I would guess it is in pretty good shape.

If revenues are the driving force then scrap provincial reps altogether and have the 12 best teams play regardless of where they are from.

Personally, I don't see that having the same appeal country-wide thus would not have the same appeal for sponsors.

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the top two mens and womens team each get $100,000 per team tax free , plus an extensive training and support program for the next two years....

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Gushue stood up to the Sault Boys extremely well. Had control of the match - but you don't make tiny brushing errors against these monsters. They'll devour you. Goo got devoured.

Jacobs stood up well. Giving Jacobs the easy deuce in nine was a tiny error. Could have hit and rolled to give Jacobs the same shot - but only for 1.

However, GooMaster knew tied up coming home without hammer was a death sentence.

I've seen a lot of curling in the last 50 years. Brad Jacob's team is simply the most devastating, efficient and ruthless group I've seen on the ice.

Better than Ferbey, Northcott, Gervais, Hackner, Duguid, Burtnyk, Stoughton, Dagg, Pickering.

Only teams close are Kevin Martin and Ken Watson. Watson is a different kettle o fish as he curled 60 to 80 years ago.

Martin had some great teams and I still regard him as the greatest mind the game has known but The Brush Brothers are even stronger than the best front ends in Martin's career. And Fry has turned into a superb monster shot-maker/strategist.

Martin could get you in a puzzle with 12 to 14 rocks in play. Jacobs just brutalizes you til you give out.

In best of 7 affairs featuring the current Jacobs lineup vs. the best of the past here's how they'd go - immo:

vs. Ferbey (4-2 Jacobs)
vs. Northcott (4-0 Jacobs)
vs. Gervais (4-0 Jacobs)
vs. Hackner (4-1 Jacobs)
vs. Duguid (4-1 Jacobs)
vs. Burtnyk (4-0 Jacobs)
vs. Stoughton (4-1 Jacobs)
vs. Dagg (4-0 Jacobs)
vs. Pickering (4-0 Jacobs)
vs. Glenn Howard (4-2 Jacobs)

only vs. Kevin Martin at his best would the series go a full 7 games with Jacobs eking out a 4-3 series win.

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I think this Jacobs team is the most devastating team since those Martin teams of 6-7 years ago. I won't say Jacobs is better, for one thing they haven't won this years Brier yet, but I will say that in a best of 7 series Jacobs would probably hold up the best against Martin. Glenn's amazing team was probably my favorite men's team ever, but I see them facing the same problems against Jacobs as they did against K-Mart. They had to be so precise with rock placement and curl really high percentages (they often achieved this) or a couple of bombs would snuff out the end and demoralize the team.

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the $25 k tax free plus the benefitseach is easy $$50k

not a level playing field .....if you win a brier or worlds every couple of years you can easily afford 7 weeks at the slams and playdowns. .. not as easy for the other 7 teams in the top 10.... impossible for the rest

if you like amateurs competing with pros .. your welcome to pick a side ... some of us have differing views

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it would be tight but id say that in a best of 7 series martin and howard at their peaks both win 4 of those at least. maybe 5.

jacobs MIGHT one day be better than them but he has a very long way to go

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Interesting Ben Hebert telling the media this morning Pat Simmons should have been the skip all along.. I wonder if there are still hard feelings towards John for getting caught up in that conflict with Martin 2 years ago and not being able to resolve differences with Martin and letting it get to a point where Morris and Martin had to divorce

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Interesting Ben Hebert telling the media this morning Pat Simmons should have been the skip all along.. I wonder if there are still hard feelings towards John for getting caught up in that conflict with Martin 2 years ago and not being able to resolve differences with Martin and letting it get to a point where Morris and Martin had to divorce

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i think, if gushue doesnt give the 3 in 5 last night he wins. i dont know why he played the draw. could have just hit out second shot and conceded 2. would have been tied going into 6 and still had control of the game

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Gushue saw the chance for a force and went for it, unfortunately he widened the broom from the hack and didnt need to, 1 up with hammer after five was enticing

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Jacobs does have a great team, but on any given weekend he can be beaten, to this point he has not been the top team on the wct the way that martin was

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Gushue saw the chance for a force and went for it, unfortunately he widened the broom from the hack and didnt need to, 1 up with hammer after five was enticing

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the $25 k tax free plus the benefitseach is easy $$50k

not a level playing field .....if you win a brier or worlds every couple of years you can easily afford 7 weeks at the slams and playdowns. .. not as easy for the other 7 teams in the top 10.... impossible for the rest

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Wow, as the ice conditions approach perfect, they also approach a cliff where rocks grab and pick on debris, hand and gripper prints. Already seen 3 major picks that had a direct affect on the outcome of a shot in this 3-4 game.

On the other hand, this near-perfect ice has allowed for some amazing throws. Hope it holds out for the entire 10 or more ends.

Vic made an excellent observation, very little sweeping in the early ends. The ice is so fast that rocks are cruising into the house unassisted. It's taken 6+ ends for both teams to clue in however.

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