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12-08-14 08:54AM |
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AlanMacNeill
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I know it was an offhand comment..but...
To become a scholarship (ie NCAA Sanctioned) sport, there needs to be at least 16 colleges/universities in the US who offer the sport on a "Varsity" level (ie University Supported, rather than just club organized) and compete against each other in a verifiable "season". From there, a motion has to be made at the NCAA congress, and then NCAA rules need to be established (mostly relating to scholarship limits, etc), Title IX impacts need to be determined (probably not so much of an issue for Curling if it's a mixed team), and a conference or two needs to be established.
For most sports adopted recently, the pattern has been that several schools organize it on their own (check...), then a Non-NCAA conference forms, organizing it's own competitions (kinda check...USCA Collegiate Nationals isn't quite there, but if that ever spun off from USCA and arranged matches outside "Nationals" between schools, it could be there), and then a few years pass...then, voila...NCAA sport happens.
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12-08-14 12:31PM |
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Jimbobogie
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Thanks for the update-I'm thinking that the "Big Ten" (really the "Big Twelve", but who's counting? Obviously not the "Big Ten" ) and the Ivy League would seem like good starting points. Toss in Baylor and TCU who probably don't have good feelings about football today...
We have Inter-University curling up here in the CIS-of course Canada doesn't offer athletic scholarships.
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12-09-14 11:20AM |
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Marc Bernard
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quote: Originally posted by Jimbobogie
We have Inter-University curling up here in the CIS-of course Canada doesn't offer athletic scholarships.
Yes, we do.
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12-09-14 03:10PM |
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brianewart
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quote: Originally posted by Jimbobogie
Thanks for the update-I'm thinking that the "Big Ten" (really the "Big Twelve", but who's counting? Obviously not the "Big Ten" ) and the Ivy League would seem like good starting points. Toss in Baylor and TCU who probably don't have good feelings about football today...
We have Inter-University curling up here in the CIS-of course Canada doesn't offer athletic scholarships.
You'd want "ECAC" (Eastern Collegiate Athletic Conference) to take on the sport in the northeast, rather than the Ivy. The Ivy League is slow to do much, and most of the Ivies who sponsor hockey, for example, do so via ECAC.
(and doesn't the Big Ten have 14 teams?)
Conferences like ECAC (a catch-all for stuff exactly like this) are the way to push for this. There are enough university club teams out there right now, the USCA -- if they want to take leadership on this -- or someone else, needs to start pushing schools to give the curling teams varsity status. That probably means funding, and maybe the USCA doesn't have that, but if you're an alum of a school with a club team, you could always donate.
Between alumni donations and (hopefully) donated ice time from nearby clubs, it shouldn't cost THAT MUCH to fund a varsity program compared to other college sports. Travel would easily be your biggest expense, unless you offer scholarships, which is not necessarily a given.
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12-09-14 03:52PM |
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VAcurler
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Does Title IX compliance apply to all D1 Programs or just those that have scholarships? Can you be a Varsity sport without some kind of scholarships? I always thought the difference between D1 and D2 is that D1 could offer athletic scholarships while D2 offered "academic or leadership" scholarships to student-athletes.
With Title IX you would have to start with a women's team to add a single men's team.
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12-09-14 04:00PM |
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Jimbobogie
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quote: Originally posted by Marc Bernard
Yes, we do.
My bad-Canada doesn't have the "Full Ride" programs that the NCAA offers. Back in my day, the only way that a school could offer athletic scholarships was to join an American conference (e.g.-Simon Fraser in Vancouver).
Brian you're right-the Big Ten is now 14-it's getting worse!
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12-09-14 07:38PM |
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AlanMacNeill
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quote: Originally posted by VAcurler
Does Title IX compliance apply to all D1 Programs or just those that have scholarships? Can you be a Varsity sport without some kind of scholarships? I always thought the difference between D1 and D2 is that D1 could offer athletic scholarships while D2 offered "academic or leadership" scholarships to student-athletes.
With Title IX you would have to start with a women's team to add a single men's team.
Title IX technically applies to all colleges period.
It does not, contrary to popular opinion, require a "one for one" equality, just that relatively equal opportunities exist.
Honestly, on that measure, a curling program would be a no brainer, as there would be availability for Men's, Womens, or Mixed teams (quads or doubles), so a "full" set would be 7 Men and 7 Women. Presumably, the sport would not be funded with 14 scholarships (that would be more than baseball, which is nearly a revenue generating Di sport), but partials are an option.
The difference between D1 and D2 is, really, just size of competition. D2 can offer scholarships for athletics (fewer per sport), it's only D3 that has no athletic scholarships.
"Varsity" just requires that the school sponsor a team, hire the coach, and have it managed by the Athletic Director, rather than a "Club" team which is student run, scheduled, and operated, and if there's a coach, it's student chosen.
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12-09-14 11:53PM |
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RockDoc
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Pipe dream, folks. Colleges and universities aren't adding new NCAA sports now (too expensive) in an economically challenging environment, and if they did, it would be a women's sport to improve title IX compliance. Curling is a low revenue, low membership sport with large infrastructure needs. I work in academics and am involved in college curling...NCAA recognition is not happening in the foreseeable future. Club sport curling is thriving, however. Most participants have never curled before, so its a good venue to grow the sport. We send our students away to be members of your clubs as young adults. Some get pretty good in 4 years.
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12-10-14 09:12PM |
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brianewart
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quote: Originally posted by VAcurler
Does Title IX compliance apply to all D1 Programs or just those that have scholarships? Can you be a Varsity sport without some kind of scholarships? I always thought the difference between D1 and D2 is that D1 could offer athletic scholarships while D2 offered "academic or leadership" scholarships to student-athletes.
With Title IX you would have to start with a women's team to add a single men's team.
It applies to all programs, it has to do with "equal opportunities in sports," meaning that even Harvard (Ivy League doesn't do scholarships) has to have the same number of opportunities for women athletes as men.
D2 schools also offer scholarships, just not usually as many. They also have some different rules regarding eligibility of athletes, transferring schools, etc.
If curling were to become an NCAA-sanctioned sport, it likely wouldn't enter the picture in any of the three divisions. They have a couple sports that don't have division differences (rifle, for one), and until there are enough schools in any one division offering curling, it probably wouldn't have a classification.
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12-10-14 09:15PM |
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brianewart
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quote: Originally posted by AlanMacNeill
"Varsity" just requires that the school sponsor a team, hire the coach, and have it managed by the Athletic Director, rather than a "Club" team which is student run, scheduled, and operated, and if there's a coach, it's student chosen.
Keep in mind, the coaches, even in Division I, don't have to be paid. There are plenty of "volunteer" coaches in the non-revenue sports and at smaller schools -- even in Division I.
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12-11-14 12:10AM |
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dbsdbs
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This would be quite the deal. Get the NCAA to join the USOC in running the sport. Each organization on its own does some unbelievable stuff, but together... just imagine...
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12-11-14 01:52PM |
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dbsdbs
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quote: Originally posted by Jimbobogie
Thanks for the update-I'm thinking that the "Big Ten" (really the "Big Twelve", but who's counting? Obviously not the "Big Ten"
"Big Twelve" is already taken as a conference name -- by a conference with 10 teams. And it really wouldn't be much of an improvement on "Big Ten" anyway since that conference has 14 schools.
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