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This is the applicable rule and it was applied correctly ...

R8 b(ii) If a moving stone is touched, or is caused to be touched, by an opposition team, or by its equipment, all stones are allowed to come to rest, after which the non-offending team places the stones where it reasonably considers the stones would have come to rest, had the moving stone not been touched.

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The rock wasnt moved, because it did not practically matter. Only the hammer was in play, and no way the hammer shot would be effected by the exact location of the stone. Only mattered if it was in or out. If there were more rocks to play, then I assume it would have been mmoved. Perhaps they shoudl have moved it, but to focus on this is a small point.

One thing that this situation,and numberour others have shown us this year, THE CURLING RULE BOOK IS ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE AND LACKS SO MANY DETAILS.

Now that the sport has become virtually professional, it is time to close loop holes, or open issues in the rule book.

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The rule is crystal clear as posted earlier, the rlck that hit the sideline is immediately out of play and a rock that is out of play can not interfer with rocks in play, period. The situation is no different than a rock that enters the sheet from another sheet. Its not a touched running stone or burned rock as people still like to call it, it is nln existant the second it hits the boards. The rule states that if both teams cant agree on the position of the stones then the rocks are reset and the shot rethrown. Period.

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You know what's crazy? My club's curling sheets don't have bumpers. My previous club's sheets don't have bumpers. Bowling lanes(except for kiddies) and tennis courts don't have bumpers. So who thought it was a good idea, for the pinnacle of curling championships, to put bumpers on the sheets and allow this ridiculous situation to occur in the first place? Bush league. Fix it please world curling federation.

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This incident has convinced me that these volunteer officials should be on the front lines in an effort to interpret and enforce vague sweeping rules.

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I would not consider the rock coming off the boards as such, since one of the teams is responsible for dealing with said rock.

So, I still think the rules need to clarify the situation that happened today. [/B]

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As soon as that rock came back into the field of play and touched the yellow rock 10(3)(c) came into play.

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The rules are clear. A rock bouncing off of a sheet divider isn't an internal force, no matter how many times people claim otherwise.

The rules show that is the delivering teams responsibility to prevent stones which bounce off the sideboards from hitting rocks in play.

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From WCF rule 9(d) If a stone which would have altered the course of a moving stone is displaced, or caused to be displaced, by an external force,

From WCF rule 9(e) If a displacement is caused by stones deflecting off the sheet dividers,] the

Per WCF rules, stone deflecting off sheet dividers are NOT external forces.

Game. Set. Match. Cut and Dry.

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From WCF rule 9(d) If a stone which would have altered the course of a moving stone is displaced, or caused to be displaced, by an external force,

From WCF rule 9(e) If a displacement is caused by stones deflecting off the sheet dividers,] the

Per WCF rules, stone deflecting off sheet dividers are NOT external forces.

Game. Set. Match. Cut and Dry.

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no Game 'Set or Match. Tough one.

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Actually I'm asserting you cited a rule that is for a stationary rock that is hit by a rock that may have touched the sideline before it makes the hit, not a moving rock which is hit by a rock deflected of the divider after it has hit another rock. As a rulemaster you didn't even know the proper section. We are sorry to have to revoke your imaginary title John.

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And again as requested before, please cite the rule stating a player is responsible to catch rocks, section and rule number please, a feat that a rulemaster would no doubt have no problem producing.

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So, who is going to win and why? Just trying to get this thread back on track. Everyone has said everything about the Incident with Shuster, just turned the odd name around.

It's time to curl - Go Koe and Team!

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So, who is going to win and why? Just trying to get this thread back on track. Everyone has said everything about the Incident with Shuster, just turned the odd name around.

It's time to curl - Go Koe and Team!

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USA won the Bronze Medal.
TSN didn't televise the game (they were only going to televise it if Canada was playing in it). Looking at the 'play by play' (shot to shot) description on the WCF website, Japan was shot rock in the 10th end with Hammer and their last shot remaining. Their rock which was shot would tie the game.
Rather than contenting themselves with tying the game and sending it to an extra end, Japan elected to try a risky draw. Unfortunately, the draw was not only missed, but it raised a USA stone in for the steal and the win.

Tough one.

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Canada has been absolutely on fire. Denmark has too, but as I said before Canada has been more consistent and overall has been playing better than Denmark.

I could see the game going one of two ways:

1. Canada comes out of the gate swinging, and goes for their deuce (or better) in the first end. They get out to a lead and keep building on it, playing aggressive but smart, putting the pressure on Denmark all the way and never taking their foot off of the gas pedal. The game is over in 8 ends with Canada up by four or more.

2. Canada is somewhat cautious. The game is close, but Canada is more or less in control the whole time. Score is within 1 or 2, several blank ends possibly. Sometime after the 5th end break, Canada starts to pull away. Either a great hammer shot for a big score, or a big steal. Possible big mistake by Denmark that Canada makes them pay for dearly.

Of course there are about a million other things that could happen, but no matter what I don't see Canada losing this unless they're really off and Denmark has stepped their game up even moreso. Stranger things have happened.

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On to the Gold

Time to focus on the upcoming Final..

Canada is ready.. well rested..
I bet Rick Lang et al have fully scouted the DEN games for any little pointers to the team..

Steady as she goes Canada guys...Talent wins the day

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Canada has the best fabric on their brushes, so they have a big advantage.

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really hoping for denmark here. the sport is in desperate need of something to kick it back up again in that country and maybe the men winning the worlds would do just that.

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Canada has the best fabric on their brushes, so they have a big advantage.

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Denmark has the same brushes as Canada.

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I guess you would call Denmark's decision an "Unforced Force"

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really hoping for denmark here. the sport is in desperate need of something to kick it back up again in that country and maybe the men winning the worlds would do just that.

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3-3 after 6 with Koe having last rock. Normally that promises a great last four ends. Why do I think with today's directional sweeping that Canada will blank 7, 8 and 9 to come home 1 up? Hope I'm wrong. If I'm not, welcome to the directional sweeping curling of 2016.

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