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The loss to the Scots was tough, as was Switzerland pulling out the extra end vs. Sweden. We need those "upsets" like Italy currently leading Canada to help the cause.

Tuck gives me a tough time being a homer for my state teams but we both are big fans of this years world US teams for a good reason. They can hang with anyone in the field. We just have been on the other side of a few breaks.

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Are you guys getting the YouTube game with Hans?

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2-5 oh oh

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Err....3-4 it appears, unless the scoreboard is wrong...

Is it?

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I've been catching some of youtube. Hans does a nice job.

Extra End win over Russia was huge. We need to catch a roll and this is exactly what Guido ordered.

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USA curling is the ugly duckling.

USA curling is clearly developmental. Unfortunately, the leading teams of USA currently are not at best, and I do not foresee medals in Men's nor Women's. The whole thing about not letting the winner of your national championship be the national team clearly does not work for them. Nice try, USA.

On the other hand, I do see USA has a bright future in curling. Haven't you heard? The youth of USA curling won silver medal at the 2016 junior world championships in both men's and women's. Team USA also earned silver at the 2016 Youth Olympic Games. So close, yet so far away, Team USA.

My point here is to say Team USA is the ugly duckling of curling. It seems though, Team USA is soon to grow into a beautiful swan, maybe. It is their youth who are the future.

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I'm putting my virtual cash on that the USA is gonna be more the Rocky Balboa this season.

Yep...early beatings looking bad...but well...we just cut the Russian, and it's time to pound out a run.

7-4 looks good for a tiebreaker at least (assuming we don't get screwed by LSD's and the WCF's "Only one tiebreaker" rule). The teams up top still have some losses within them to come...

This can be done!

(and yeah...that *is* homerism...but it's our thread, so we can be that way!)

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USA curling is clearly developmental. Unfortunately, the leading teams of USA currently are not at best, and I do not foresee medals in Men's nor Women's. The whole thing about not letting the winner of your national championship be the national team clearly does not work for them. Nice try, USA.

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On the other hand, I do see USA has a bright future in curling. Haven't you heard? The youth of USA curling won silver medal at the 2016 junior world championships in both men's and women's. Team USA also earned silver at the 2016 Youth Olympic Games. So close, yet so far away, Team USA.

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I'm putting my virtual cash on that the USA is gonna be more the Rocky Balboa this season.

Yep...early beatings looking bad...but well...we just cut the Russian, and it's time to pound out a run.

7-4 looks good for a tiebreaker at least (assuming we don't get screwed by LSD's and the WCF's "Only one tiebreaker" rule). The teams up top still have some losses within them to come...

This can be done!

(and yeah...that *is* homerism...but it's our thread, so we can be that way!)

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Finland is up 3-1 on Scotland after 3-this would be an unexpected bonus.

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Err....3-4 it appears, unless the scoreboard is wrong...

Is it?

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USA curling is clearly developmental. Unfortunately, the leading teams of USA currently are not at best, and I do not foresee medals in Men's nor Women's. The whole thing about not letting the winner of your national championship be the national team clearly does not work for them. Nice try, USA.

On the other hand, I do see USA has a bright future in curling. Haven't you heard? The youth of USA curling won silver medal at the 2016 junior world championships in both men's and women's. Team USA also earned silver at the 2016 Youth Olympic Games. So close, yet so far away, Team USA.

My point here is to say Team USA is the ugly duckling of curling. It seems though, Team USA is soon to grow into a beautiful swan, maybe. It is their youth who are the future.

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With 4 games to play....it's official...we need to win out and get a little help to get into a tiebreak for the playoffs...or a LOT of help and we can get in.

My "Worst Case" scenario (assuming US wins out) assumes that all remaining games (that are relevant, at least) go the worst possible way for US's playoff chances.

- Bottom 4 teams (KOR, FIN, ITA, SWE) lose all remaining games to teams above the US
- Teams who have 8 wins lose any other games on their schedule (and evaluate that recursively, so if those losses give other teams their 8th win, *those* teams lose all other games too)

In that scenario, Canada, Scotland, and Switzerland make 8 wins. Japan has 7 wins and 1 game to play (GER), Russia makes 7 wins and 2 games to play (GER, DEN)

In this pessimistic scenario, US *NEEDS* Germany to run the table (JAP, RUS, DEN), other than the USA game. We also need Denmark to beat Russia.

If that happens, we'd be in a 3 way tie for 4th...hopefully doing well on LSD.

Regretfully, you pretty much need to be *ON* LSD to believe that's gonna happen.

Fortunately, there are some opportunities for Canada, Scotland, and Switzerland to help us out (CAN vs Japan, Scotland vs Russia and Japan, Switzerland against Russia). A couple of those, quite possible, results and more optimistic scenarios come into play.

Unfortunately, we can't hope for much help from the minnows rising to create upsets...the only teams (other than the US) with games against the bottom 4 are Canada, Denmark, and Switzerland.

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The good news is that they've increased the likelihood of getting into the magic top 7, keeping the USA in position to avoid the Oly qualifier.

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Obviously USA needs to win out to maximize their chances for the playoffs but it's not all that dire:

1) GER, CAN or SCO beat JPN, coupled with loss to USA means JPN at 4+ losses
2) SCO & SUI beat RUS, means they're at 4+ losses

Done, they're in a tiebreak at worst. To get in clean, add:

3) JPN loses to CAN & SCO, beats GER
4) GER over DEN
5) GER or DEN over RUS

Then JPN, RUS, GER, DEN are all at 5+ losses and USA is in.

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Yep, that's the optimistic scenario.

Doesn't much matter if they don't go 4-0 the rest of the way out...here's hoping.

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It's optimistic but not all that hard to see happening. CAN, SCO and SUI are all fighting to be in the Page 1-2 game so they're not going to take a game off and I'd be surprised if both CAN and SCO don't beat JPN. SCO and SUI both beating RUS is a taller order but still wouldn't be a shock if it happened.

At the same time, it's totally realistic to see 5 losses in a mess of a tiebreak.

JPN loses 3 of their remaining games with GER, USA, SCO, CAN (all teams fighting for playoffs)
RUS loses 3 of their remaining games with SCO, SUI, GER, DEN (all teams fighting for playoffs)
USA loses 1 of their remaining games with GER, JPN, FIN, SWE (two teams fighting for playoffs)
GER loses 1 of their remaining games with JPN, USA, RUS, DEN (all fighting for playoffs)
DEN loses 1 of their remaining games with SWE, ITA, RUS, DEN (two teams fighting for playoffs)

Again, the key is for USA to win out. It helps that they (and DEN) have the easiest remaining schedule of teams fighting for the 4th spot.

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I know we need Japan to lose, but who doesn't just love to watch them. They are so good, and they are having so much fun on the ice.

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I know we need Japan to lose, but who doesn't just love to watch them. They are so good, and they are having so much fun on the ice.

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I know we need Japan to lose, but who doesn't just love to watch them. They are so good, and they are having so much fun on the ice.

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How many world men's championships have Don Barcome Jr's, Al Edwards' and Cris Plys' world junior wins gotten the US? Zero. How many world women's championships has Cassy Johnson's world junior win gotten the US? Zero.

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The fact is that any number of individual Canadians (Colleen Jones, Randy Ferby, Ernie Richardson, Jennifer Jones etc. and their teams) have won more medals at the world and Olympic level then the whole US has won in it's entire history.

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Japan beats...no...crushes...Germany...takes Germany to 5 losses and out of realistic contention (yeah, there's scenarios where 6-5 gets into a hairball tiebreaker for 4th...but they're unlikely).

So now we need to beat Japan and hope they catch another loss from either Scotland or Canada....seems likely...two losses isn't impossible.

Scotland beats Russia. we need Russia to find another loss from Switzerland, Germany, Denmark...less likely but possible

Denmark has Russia, Italy and Germany...best case they beat Russia and lose one of the other two. Any loss from here takes them out of realistic contention.

4th place is only gonna have 4 losses...

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I know we need Japan to lose, but who doesn't just love to watch them. They are so good, and they are having so much fun on the ice.

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Could not agree more. The Japanese team is marketing gold. Thus why we see all their games on YouTube. The WCF Broadcasting arm. Watch Gerry's great Far From Home video... The audience and the $$$ is there for these women... the USA can do the same with or juniors...

The Japanese women all curl out of Tokoro CC. Get with it USCA and follow this model... Move to Minneapolis (Blaine), train train train and have some fun!

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