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GregJP
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Re: Pade 1-2 Telecast by TAPE DELAY
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NO LIVE streaming since CAN is geoblocked by World Curling TV..
If you haven't figured out how to get around the geoblocking thing you just aren't trying very hard.
Google is your friend.
https://hola.org/
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| 04-09-16 06:48AM |
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HotRocks
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Big Day ahead
JPN ( 85% team ave) just might outplay the USA (83%) ...
who should get at least a bronze with DEN edged at fourth
Gold all the way..Sunday for Team CAN..
playing very very well (88% as a team)
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| 04-09-16 10:42AM |
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HotRocks
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Costly lesson for JPN
The rookies..had to "catch" that rock..
it looks like they paid with a silver or Gold medal..
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| 04-09-16 10:51AM |
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curlerbroad
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Re: Costly lesson for JPN
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Originally posted by HotRocks
The rookies..had to "catch" that rock..
it looks like they paid with a silver or Gold medal..
A large price to pay. US got a bit lucky....tougher test against Denmark. But I have this feeling they might make the finals.
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| 04-09-16 11:07AM |
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chinabar
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Originally posted by fresca
this makes up for the meleschuk fiasco 50 years ago
Japan has no idea who Orest is, watching him shoot with a smoke in his mouth with a two inch ash was priceless. Man, Japan is weak on strategy and end control. There risk/reward shot calling is minor league and the better team won this game!
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| 04-09-16 11:10AM |
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BMalc
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Re: On the Jam & In Call
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Originally posted by Manitoba Legend
Nice try by Japan to execute a fether fether double but they end up jamming on the side.
Here's my view.
1. Japan had responsibility for catching 'boarded stone' before it moved back into play.
2. Outcome of jammed stone coming back to give USA stone a bit of extra momentum resulted in a biter for USA and draw for go-ahead 3rd point.
3. Even if Japan extracts boarded stone - result is inconclusive - in my eyes prolly a 65% chance USA stone sticks around anyways. Thus, in outcome 1 - with the boarded stone affecting rock its 100% USA ---- outcome 2 is unknown but film shots indicate 67% chance jammed stone stays!
4. USA has total decision making ability on call - - - - and I think correct decision made!
Had pvr'd game. Just got to end of 8. I agree with Russ it probably would have gone out. You can tell from Tyler George's reaction, he doesn't agree with Shuster that 100% it would have stayed had it not hit. He looks "sick" over the situation. The last 2 calls by Japanese very suspect though. It cost them.
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| 04-09-16 11:14AM |
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rick8end
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Players should never be put in the position of making that call. I can guarantee you one thing. If any member of my team felt we shouldn't take the point I wouldn't have done so. I would have said 'we'll be tied with two ends to go and we'll win without any controversy or integrity issues'. The last thing I'd do is want a possible tainted playoff win on my conscience.
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| 04-09-16 11:15AM |
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southerncurler
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You said it yourself though "probably" would have gone out. I'm not removing a rock when I'm wronged because of probably, only definitely
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| 04-09-16 11:18AM |
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rick8end
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Originally posted by southerncurler
You said it yourself though "probably" would have gone out. I'm not removing a rock when I'm wronged because of probably, only definitely
Your opinion counts just as much as anyone's southern, but your nationality does bias you. I wouldn't have taken the point and I was cheering for the U.S. But, it's John's call ultimately.
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| 04-09-16 11:25AM |
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chapnlie
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Originally posted by fresca
this makes up for the meleschuk fiasco 50 years ago
anyone have a link to the shot ? thx
Found this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKHMKAOb1iw
The original which was once in the CBC archives was much better, as it showed Canadian sweepers removing their gloves to concede the match ... before Labonte took the tumble!
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| 04-09-16 11:28AM |
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southerncurler
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^^I'm just pointing out that there is a difference in how ALOT of people would respond to that situation if the USA stone is DEFINITELY going out of the rings. Once you say probably though (which in my opinion, and LOTS of others it was) you change the response to: the rule infraction should benefit me because we will truly never know.
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| 04-09-16 11:42AM |
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rick8end
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Originally posted by southerncurler
^^I'm just pointing out that there is a difference in how ALOT of people would respond to that situation if the USA stone is DEFINITELY going out of the rings. Once you say probably though (which in my opinion, and LOTS of others it was) you change the response to: the rule infraction should benefit me because we will truly never know.
If curling is a gentleman's game, your own third player feels the rock was going out, and video evidence supports that probability, then "probably" is enough to make the right decision. It's a matter of ethics. Do you want to take a point that you "probably" know you aren't entitled to, or do you not? I would never want to win a game largely on a point I probably didn't deserve.
That said, I feel this decision should never be left in the players' hands in a World Championship playoff game. That's what you have officials for. And, given the rules, Shuster had every right to take the point. I just think it would look far better on him to have gone with the probable outcome.
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| 04-09-16 12:27PM |
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dbsdbs
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Originally posted by rick8end
If curling is a gentleman's game, your own third player feels the rock was going out, and video evidence supports that probability, then "probably" is enough to make the right decision.
Except that Shuster's third did NOT think the rock was going out. As Tyler George said during the discussion, "I honestly do not know..." So we are back to "probably" -- some viewers thought it probably was going out, some that the rock was probably staying as a biter -- which isn't enough to pull the rock. In his post game interview, Shuster said that if he really thought the rock was out he would have pulled it and, knowing John, I believe him. It is just unfortunate that this had to happen.
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| 04-09-16 12:59PM |
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Phil_D
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I think one thing we can all agree on is that it's a lose-lose situation for both teams. I feel for Japan, and for the USA in having to make that call. Tough position to be in to say the least. Really sucks to see people accusing them of cheating and being unsportsmanlike for following the rules (not on here, thankfully).
Personally, I agree 100% with USA for leaving it in. It was ambiguous as to whether or not it would have been out or stayed in, and technically (by the rules which they confirmed with the umpire) Japan is responsible for controlling their rock. As the non-offending team it was the USA's call, and I think they did the right thing. It clearly wasn't a decision they arrived at lightly, and you could tell after the game they weren't happy about the situation overall. My point with that is that it's not like they were jumping at an opportunity to exploit a technicality.
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| 04-09-16 01:38PM |
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rick8end
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Originally posted by dbsdbs
Except that Shuster's third did NOT think the rock was going out. As Tyler George said during the discussion, "I honestly do not know..." So we are back to "probably" -- some viewers thought it probably was going out, some that the rock was probably staying as a biter -- which isn't enough to pull the rock. In his post game interview, Shuster said that if he really thought the rock was out he would have pulled it and, knowing John, I believe him. It is just unfortunate that this had to happen.
Eve Muirhead, a former World Champion I assume with no allegiance to the U.S. or Japan team said on her Twitter account 'The yellow was never staying in the house...crazy". I'll stand by what I said, it was not the right call ethically based on what the videotape showed. As for Tyler George after the game not throwing his skip under the bus, no third would says it was rolling out. His reaction in the 8th end told it all. John should never have been out in the position he was, and he had the right to make the call he did. It just doesn't look good on him. It doesn't mean he is a bad guy. I just think in the heat of the moment he saw things with a little too much bias. Whatever, time to move on.
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| 04-09-16 02:04PM |
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misty1
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denmark up 5-2 after 4. really favorable position to be in for them. if you go with a get 1, give 2 scenario then it still works out for them to be up 2 without hammer in 10.
just make sure they can do at least that and they are in good shape
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| 04-09-16 02:18PM |
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misty1
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another 3 for denmark and its 8-2 after 5. dont see a way back for the united states unless denmark just falls apart
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| 04-09-16 02:25PM |
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misty1
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pretty funny whats happening this year. 6 years ago rasmus was in a similar situation when he won the world junior title. canada finished first after the round robin, they were 2nd. denmark lost to canada in the round robin in a tight game then again in the page. they beat the united states in the semi and then beat canada in their thrid match in the final.is history set to repeat this year for them?
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| 04-09-16 02:57PM |
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dbsdbs
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quote:
Originally posted by rick8end
Eve Muirhead, a former World Champion I assume with no allegiance to the U.S. or Japan team said on her Twitter account 'The yellow was never staying in the house...crazy". I'll stand by what I said, it was not the right call ethically based on what the videotape showed. As for Tyler George after the game not throwing his skip under the bus, no third would says it was rolling out. His reaction in the 8th end told it all.
First, Eve Muirhead has no better idea than the rest of the viewers about what the rock was going to go.
Second, you are exactly right that Tyler's reaction in the 8th end told it all. Just listen to the replay of the 8th end -- that is when Tyler said he honestly did not know. No decision had been made so the possibiliy of throwing his skip under the bus was not yet an issue.
It would be nice if there were an obvious "correct" call but it was not obvious. Which makes the final call the correct one.
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| 04-09-16 03:02PM |
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HotRocks
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 it was going out..... BUT...
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Originally posted by rick8end
Eve Muirhead, a former World Champion I assume with no allegiance to the U.S. or Japan team said on her Twitter account 'The yellow was never staying in the house...crazy".
JPN's lead.. who was right there.. didnt catch that JPN red that bounced off..
Now DEN just scored a HUGE 3.. 
USA .....may be out of the medals.. after all the hoopla..
For the Bronze.. they face.. Japan
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| 04-09-16 03:03PM |
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misty1
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denmark into the final. congrats to them. should be a good final
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| 04-09-16 03:09PM |
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5thstone
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Originally posted by dbsdbs
First, Eve Muirhead has no better idea than the rest of the viewers about what the rock was going to go.
Second, you are exactly right that Tyler's reaction in the 8th end told it all. Just listen to the replay of the 8th end -- that is when Tyler said he honestly did not know. No decision had been made so the possibiliy of throwing his skip under the bus was not yet an issue.
It would be nice if there were an obvious "correct" call but it was not obvious. Which makes the final call the correct one.
Eve Muirhead is a lot more creditable then 90% of people watching the game and posting comments about it anywhere. Hmmm. Something to do with being a full time curler and very good one at that. Just saying.....
That rock was definitely going out. 
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| 04-09-16 03:11PM |
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rick8end
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quote:
Originally posted by dbsdbs
First, Eve Muirhead has no better idea than the rest of the viewers about what the rock was going to go.
Second, you are exactly right that Tyler's reaction in the 8th end told it all. Just listen to the replay of the 8th end -- that is when Tyler said he honestly did not know. No decision had been made so the possibiliy of throwing his skip under the bus was not yet an issue.
It would be nice if there were an obvious "correct" call but it was not obvious. Which makes the final call the correct one.
Through rose-colored glasses it will always look like the right call. It wasn't. Eve Muirhead and Russ Horward both said it was going out. Frankly I'll take their knowledge level over yours, and mine, any day of the week. But hey, you were cheering for a certain team and want to defend them. Fine.
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| 04-09-16 03:17PM |
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Phil_D
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Well played game by Denmark. USA just never seemed to get their footing.
I have no idea what the hell is going to happen in the bronze match. Japan is no doubt pissed off and motivated, with more rest. USA no doubt gutted at the moment. They're going to have to dig deep and shake it off in order to win it.
As for the final, I think Denmark will put up a hell of a fight but I don't see them taking Canada down. Canada is just playing too consistently at the moment, and while Denmark is playing well I think Canada is playing better.
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| 04-09-16 03:26PM |
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HotRocks
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DEN will fight hard
But Rasmus does not have Marc Kennedy setting him up
Team CAN are super calm ( who wouldnt be with Koe ?)
Really focused on pure execution..confident about the ice now
Bronze - up for grabs.
John Shuster appears to find ways to lose...while making
some super world-class shots in the process...
JPN want their first World Medal..
Go Team CANada
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