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03-22-17 09:43AM |
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misty1
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so rachel is looking good to go through undefeated in the round robin unless italy or denmark can knock her off..not likely
sweden should get 2nd place but have a really tough closing 3 against south korea, china and russia. they should win 2 of those at least but none will be easy
russia is in pole position to claim 3rd. final 3 games against sweden, united states and china. they could win all 3 but they're likely to drop at least 1
the final spot is a huge battle. scotland, switzerland, germany,czech republic and south korea and the united states all in the mix
scotland rebounded with 2 great wins today and with the czech republic and germany to close at 7-4 but neither of those 2 teams can be underestimated.
switzerland , who started 4-0 have lost 4 of their last 5 and their last 2 arent easy. 5-6 is possible but 6-5 is probably more likely. they can with the final 2 but dont know if they will
germany has czech republic and scotland. really the czech republic game is a toss up. heavy underdogs against scotland but ..you never know
czech republic has scotland and germany. much like switzerland their hot start has dissolved and they've lost 5 of their last 6. but the 2 games left germany is very winnable and then with scotland being inconsistent you never know but they will likely lose that
south korea has switzerland and the united states. 2 tricky games
united states has switzerland and south korea. 2 teams they have had good success against so very much both winnable
overall its looking like 5 losses could get you something. likely everyone will be needing russia to lose their last 2 and scotland to go at least 1-1. russia losing 2 is unlikely . think 5 losses will be close but 4 will probably end up being the cut off
right now final 4 looks like scotland, canada, sweden and russia but with the way this event has gone im not confident thats how it'll end out
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03-22-17 09:46AM |
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misty1
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quote: Originally posted by Manitoba Legend
I warned everyone not to write off Eve Muirhead - even after some silly outings.
She's just too good (great) an individual curler - and while her team doesn't match Eve's skill-set they're not bad - about 2nd quarter of the teams (ie. 4, 5 or 6)
Russia also quietly wending their way back into the mix.
You can never write off Ladyhawk (Paetz) but she might be the biggest disappointment thus far (other than China & the putrid Danes). Only difference between Paetz & Wang is that Paetz still has a decent chance to advance to the playoffs. China is stone cold OUT.
The smooth-slidin' Nina Paetz seems to have played herself out of playoff contention - just couldn't win when it counted!
Right now Homan is a wrecking machine - so whoever is served up to her in the playoffs will be major underdogs.
i dont know. you can look at the standings and think "wow, she's had it easy" but she could easily have 3 losses by now.
if sidorova hadnt hogged her rock in the extra she could have won
south korea let canada off the hook a number of times and even still were close.
the united states had them. one bad end in the 9th was what cost them that game. they've been good but they havent been as dominant as what the standings would have you believe. maybe a little lucky to be 9-0. so when it comes to the playoffs, yeah they will be the favorites but i wouldnt say overwhelming favorites
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03-22-17 11:14AM |
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sternwheeler
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interesting now that three teams have a 5 and 4 record
Scotland, Russia and Germany.... who said with 4 loses will get you nothing? tomorrow's draw should determine if there will be any tie breakers ....I like Canada's chances of winning the one two game and go directly to the gold medal game
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03-22-17 11:35AM |
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Deliverer
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If Hasselborg had not done so well as a Junior I wouldn't
question her record since that time.
But clearly, she's gone in the wrong direction since beating
Homan in 2010.
In terms of Grand Slams, she has never been able to proceed
past the semi-finals over a six year period.
That's the same fate as Ott suffered from except Ott never
got past the SF's over a 7 year period!
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03-22-17 06:19PM |
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It continues to be ridiculous that you rate Miskew above Lawes. I'm not discounting Miskew, but Lawes is a superior player.
Lawes has been to the Scotties 5 times. She has been the 1st team All-Star all five times. Miskew has been to the Scotties 4 times. She has finished as the 1st team All-Star twice, and in both years Lawes wasn't there. In the two times Lawes was there, Miskew was ranked 3rd and 4th.
I'll say it again, I'm not sure why you continue to rank Emma above Kaitlyn, but the stats, video, and accolades don't back your position up. Maybe you're doing it to give more praise to Jones from winning, but if you looked at it objectively, you'd see you were wrong.
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03-22-17 08:56PM |
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misty1
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i got to say, i love this chaos. i love not knowing who will be there at the end. its exciting and every draw is going to have a game that means something tomorrow. its actually really nice not to know who will be there before the draw even happens. you have an idea but thats not guaranteed.
i can only hope the mens worlds is half as unpredictable and exciting
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03-22-17 10:40PM |
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I finally have to agree with ML on this one. Jennifer Jones did not lose a single game at the 2017 Scotties in St. Catharines and has yet to post a losing score at the 2017 Womens Worlds....oh wait...
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03-23-17 12:03AM |
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Team USA. One day playing good against the top dogs, the next getting sent to the doghouse with sub par play.
5-5 so far...just hoping they get enough points for the big dance.
Just seems, IMO, that the worlds have become more-and-more a "metric". Medals are great but qualifier points are king.
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03-23-17 04:31AM |
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Three
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Cheryl mentioned it a few draws ago, the team high fiving that goes on after terrible misses is ridiculous. As she mentioned it is supposed to be something about sticking together as a team but it looks just plain dumb. Sorry to say but it must feel stupid and I hope these women's teams that do this stop this practice. The Danish skip just came up way light on a draw against two in nine and gave up two points. Then a round of high fives later they concede the match. Just nonsense.
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03-23-17 05:48AM |
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quote: Originally posted by Three
Cheryl mentioned it a few draws ago, the team high fiving that goes on after terrible misses is ridiculous. As she mentioned it is supposed to be something about sticking together as a team but it looks just plain dumb. Sorry to say but it must feel stupid and I hope these women's teams that do this stop this practice. The Danish skip just came up way light on a draw against two in nine and gave up two points. Then a round of high fives later they concede the match. Just nonsense.
Won't happen because Science says this is good practice. Studies have taken place that strongly show how touch has power over decision-making and specifically how teams who make more physical contact play better as a team and are more successful.
NBA Basketball:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...e-they-win-more
More on the Power of Touch:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/23/health/23mind.html
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03-23-17 07:19AM |
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TJNCJ
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Doesn't a win by Czechoslovakia put the US in a tiebreaker situation with Scotland, Czech Republic and possibly Switzerland? Space a press release by the USA curling says that they have been eliminated from playoff contention.
http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Curling/...ter-Games-berth
Did the rules change?
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03-23-17 07:45AM |
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AlanMacNeill
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The WCF no longer breaks all ties "on the ice", they only break ties that can be resolved in a single tiebreaking draw (so a tie between 4th and 5th, for example, would be broken on the ice).
A 3 way tie (or a 4 way tie for one spot, or any other tiebreaker requiring multiple draws to resolve) is first seeded by head to head within the tied teams, then by LSD results, and then the top 2 play it out on the ice.
I believe the US has no road to top 2 in a 3 or 4 way tie for 4th, I believe as a result of H2H within the groups, they end up 3rd or 4th in those.
On the plus side, the Olympics is secured, that was the primary goal over the last 4 games.
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03-23-17 08:04AM |
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From http://www.worldcurling.org/downloa...xGc3NlRapVUq5UV, page 62 (PDF page 63):
3-way tie for 4th
1 2 3 4 5 6
Q Q Q X X XE
4 v 5; winner 4th; loser 5th; 6th eliminated and ranked 6th
4-way tie for 4th
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Q Q Q X X XE XE
4 v 5; winner 4th; loser 5th; 6th and 7th eliminated and ranked 6th and 7th by head-to-head
In order to get into a tie for 4th place, CZE must beat SCO, both of which beat USA. In a 3-way tie, CZE would be 2-0, SCO 1-1 and USA 0-2, and CZE and SCO would play for 4th place. USA 6th place.
If SUI also beats KOR, then there would be a 4-way tie for 4th, with the following records among tied teams: CZE 3-0, SCO 2-1, USA 1-2, SUI 0-3. USA 6th place.
If SCO beats CZE then USA in 5th place even if SUI beats KOR because of H2H win.
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03-23-17 08:12AM |
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On The Nose
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quote: Originally posted by Gerry
Won't happen because Science says this is good practice. Studies have taken place that strongly show how touch has power over decision-making and specifically how teams who make more physical contact play better as a team and are more successful.
NBA Basketball:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...e-they-win-more
More on the Power of Touch:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/23/health/23mind.html
Yes, this world desperately needs even more 'experts' and 'studies' whose main purpose is to show how 'intelligent' psychology scholars are...
Sigh...
Sorry, but this practice of high-fiving - or 'touching' - each other when angry, upset, disappointed, etc. is very artificial, and, basically, pure nonsense. That people must 'train', or force, themselves to do this demonstrates how utterly unnatural and artificial it is.
But, in this world of Oprah Winfreys, Dr. Phils, and 'life coaches'(!), there will always be those who believe whatever 'experts' or 'studies' tell them to believe - and who follow along rather than trust and follow their own natural feelings and instincts. Hell, if 'studies' and 'experts' told them that they will have better success if they pick their noses whenever their instinct is to feel upset or disappointed, the followers would no doubt be burying their fingers in their nostrils.
Meanwhile, the truly intelligent psych scholars, I'm quite convinced, are laughing at all the those who are blindly following these ridiculous instructions.
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03-23-17 08:15AM |
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quote: Originally posted by TJNCJ
Doesn't a win by Czechoslovakia put the US in a tiebreaker situation with Scotland, Czechoslovakia and possibly Switzerland? Space a press release by the USA curling says that they have been eliminated from playoff contention.
http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Curling/...ter-Games-berth
Did the rules change?
Czechoslovakia hasn't been part of any sports competition in nearly a quarter century...
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03-23-17 08:44AM |
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quote: Originally posted by On The Nose
Czechoslovakia hasn't been part of any sports competition in nearly a quarter century...
Tell my voice recognition that.
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03-23-17 08:49AM |
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quote: Originally posted by TJNCJ
Tell my voice recognition that.
I could try... but it apparently wouldn't understand what I'm saying.
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03-23-17 09:39AM |
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quote: Originally posted by Manitoba Legend
Korea laid a 5-egger on former world champion and current swiss champ Alina Paetz (aka Ladyhawke). How the heck does that happen? Has Paetz given up the ghost?
Russia looks to be sailing past deplorable China - on their way to a 1-2 confrontation with Miss Homan. The Russian program looked scattered and frayed earlier this week - but she's scrambled to restore a semblance of order to their program.
Scotland, knowing they have a tie-breaker locked up for playoffs is on a bit of a mope vs. Czech Rep. - but might be as much Kubesova emerging as a mid-pack powerhouse. Who knows? Everyone knows Eve's team isn't that stellar and she's a virtual 1-man band.
The Czechs are the surprise hit of this year's event.
China the biggest disappointment. OK, perhaps tied with Paetz!
Scotland the most curious!
Sweden, the team lacking the most killer instinct!
Canada having the most killer instinct.
no, not everyone "knows" eve is a one person team thats just something you think and like to say repeatedly. i've agreed anna is a weakness at third but vicki is great at 2nd and lauren has had a good first year playing lead.i think its to early to say where she measures among the top leads out there right now but from what i've seen she's a strong lead
for me switzerland's collapse has been unreal. from a 4-0 start to a likely 5-6 finish. thats 6 losses in their last 7 games. it seemed like paetz was back in form this year but here ..just unreal. looking at an 8th place finish. just at a total loss to figure out what happened with them
i kept expecting bingyu to get into gear but she never did. her team in front of her has been awful. in the games i saw it was always her . she was getting pretty much no support out there at any time
but the biggest surprise and disappointment by far might actually be denmark. gonna have either 1 or nor wins. now, this isnt a powerhouse team but this is a team far better than what they've shown here too. they've made the playoffs before, they are usually good for around 5 wins. this was a complete surprise for me
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03-23-17 09:51AM |
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misty1
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sigh. scotland had the winning 2 points set up and anna hits and rolls out. just another example of a terrible miss at a key time she's prone to making
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03-23-17 09:54AM |
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misty1
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doesnt matter. eve makes a great draw around a center guard. pliskova wrecks on her last and eve has takeout for win
that doesnt prove your point about scotland being a 1 person team legend. scotland had it set up well until anna's miss.
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03-23-17 09:55AM |
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NO Tiebreakers. No Switzerland! Sweden stumbled a bit more than expected. Scotland makes the usual push under pressure. Canada will not rest on laurels. Russia - dark horse.
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03-23-17 10:26AM |
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quote: Originally posted by Manitoba Legend
The Czechs are the surprise hit of this year's event.
As they were at the most recent European Championships, where they finished 4th, and made the playoffs (ultimately finishing 4th overall). I believe they beat Moiseeva (winner of Europeans) en route.
The Kubeska-Kubeskova father-daughter partnership is definitely progressing nicely (Anna's dad is the team's coach).
Really tough loss today against Scotland, though... Czechs were ahead by 1 going into the 10th, Scotland with Hammer... Only stone in the House when Eve comes to throw her first is a Czech stone in back 12 foot. Eve draws to the top 4 foot, nicely around her own guard about 3-4 feet in front of the House. Seems to be well hidden.
Kubeskova then with her last has to either make a nearly impossible perfect draw to the side button (she can only draw on the side the Scottish shot rock is on), or try to paper the guard ever so closely to take out the Scot stone. She chooses the latter, but wrecks on the guard, tapping the guard into the top 12 foot, and rolling her shooter to the back 12, where it taps the other Czech stone out, but remains for 2nd shot rock.
Because she tapped the Scot guard into the House, though (3rd shot), all Eve has to do on her last is take out the Czech stone in the back 12 foot - doesn't matter if she stays or rolls out. Eve isn't going to miss that (and didn't).
Scotland scores 2 in 10 to win it 7-6.
Got to feel bad for the Czechs - but they've shown in the past few years that they will build on the experience and come back stronger.
Great to see that Denmark won their last game...
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03-23-17 10:36AM |
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quote: Originally posted by On The Nose
I could try... but it apparently wouldn't understand what I'm saying.
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03-23-17 11:05AM |
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quote: Originally posted by Gerry
Won't happen because Science says this is good practice.
"Science" also says just because something works for some people doesn't mean it works for everyone.
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03-23-17 11:38AM |
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misty1
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If teams want to support each other I don't see what harm it does. It's about keeping up energy an encouraging each other. Not beyond does it but that's fine
Seems a small thinng to be bothered by
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