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04-08-17 04:28PM |
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Three
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Sorry, have been out of the loop for a couple days. Can somebody briefly summarize what happened this year with team USA and which game it occurred in?
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04-08-17 04:41PM |
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dbsdbs
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quote: Originally posted by dugless_zone 13
In the Labonte case they followed the rules, plain and simple. Labonte lost the game in the extra end when he gassed his last rock. Rule 11 c is pretty clear about that and no camera angle was definitive.
your example is really dumb since the Canadian Team did exactly what we are asking, they followed the rulebook and the applied the rule accordingly.
In fact it was very clear which rock was shot. Watch the video and you will see one of Canadian front end guys pulling off his glove to shake hands with the victorious US team.
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04-08-17 05:49PM |
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AlanMacNeill
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quote: Originally posted by dugless_zone 13
your example is really dumb since the Canadian Team did exactly what we are asking, they followed the rulebook and the applied the rule accordingly.
AS opposed to Shuster last year, who also applied the rulebook accordingly...where he put the shot was *completely* within the bounds of where it could reasonably have been expected to end up.
IN short....the point is made...Canadians walk on water, everyone else walks on fire...got it...and noted...go back to your bridge, mmmkay?
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04-08-17 05:59PM |
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dugless_zone 13
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quote: Originally posted by AlanMacNeill
AS opposed to Shuster last year, who also applied the rulebook accordingly...where he put the shot was *completely* within the bounds of where it could reasonably have been expected to end up.
IN short....the point is made...Canadians walk on water, everyone else walks on fire...got it...and noted...go back to your bridge, mmmkay?
Actually that is not what he did and the rule that was applied was never provided. I even asked a friend that was umpiring at that event and she would not comment. Of course I'm sure you can cite.the rule now that you brought it up.
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04-08-17 06:15PM |
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If there is any bias here, it is clearly from either Americans, or U.S. sympathizers.
Comparing the controversies that the same U.S. team have found themselves in 2 years in succession at the most important curling tournament in the world to something which happened decades ago is a very desperate act.
Complaining that we Canadians aren't objecting now to this decades old incident, and we're only complaining about the current American incidents is well, well beyond incredibly silly.
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04-08-17 06:31PM |
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gonzobob
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quote: Originally posted by dugless_zone 13
Actually that is not what he did and the rule that was applied was never provided. I even asked a friend that was umpiring at that event and she would not comment. Of course I'm sure you can cite.the rule now that you brought it up.
Shuster applied the ruling he was given by the chief umpire (edit: or maybe it was the on-ice supervisor). I can understand that you might not agree with the ruling but why do you blame Shuster for that?
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04-08-17 06:35PM |
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Western Newbie
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quote: Originally posted by On The Nose
If there is any bias here, it is clearly from either Americans, or U.S. sympathizers.
Comparing the controversies that the same U.S. team have found themselves in 2 years in succession at the most important curling tournament in the world to something which happened decades ago is a very desperate act.
Complaining that we Canadians aren't objecting now to this decades old incident, and we're only complaining about the current American incidents is well, well beyond incredibly silly.
Once again, well said. You are being logical. It seems to be a tough sell. Well the 4th place team played very poorly today. No illogical argument can say otherwise. Of course unless you insist that the score was biased against the 4th place team?
Congratulations Team Switzerland a very well played solid game.
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04-08-17 07:05PM |
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gushuechamp
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quote: Originally posted by gushuechamp
And since you are an idiot who is wrong on pretty much every prediction you make that is great news for Brad, and makes me feel even better than I already did about his chances.
As everyone knew would happen i have been totally right so far (as always) and curlerbroad totally wrong (as usual).
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04-08-17 07:15PM |
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gushuechamp
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swiss played a talented game against the U.S. They have a good shot vs Sweden, but it will be close. I call that one at 50/50. Ultimately each is playing only for a silver medal as Gushue is assured winning the final with last rock and how they have played this week.
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04-08-17 07:16PM |
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guido
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quote: Originally posted by gonzobob
Shuster applied the ruling he was given by the chief umpire. I can understand that you might not agree with the ruling but why do you blame Shuster for that?
I guess you have forgotten how Shuster begged and pleaded like a pre-teen, and then shut down George when he suggested the outcome may have been different???? Good to see them in the 2nd best loser game.
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04-08-17 07:32PM |
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gonzobob
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quote: Originally posted by guido
I guess you have forgotten how Shuster begged and pleaded like a pre-teen, and then shut down George when he suggested the outcome may have been different????
It's been a while but my recollection is that Tyler said "I don't know where it would've ended up" but that he never said that it might have gone out.
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04-08-17 07:48PM |
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nelski
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The Big Country to the south. The Big Curling Country to the north. It seems USA feels toward Canada, with curling the way we feel toward USA with almost everything else. It is the same with Scotland and England in some respects. Shuster is a chatty curler. We have seen these kinds of champions through the decades. George is a veteran too. Years ago (many) the first time I watched the USA at the worlds, live - wpg, I think - I sensed that the team was loud, kind of macho, like a college football team and that they didn't "get" our game. Every country brings its own flavour to the rink. The USA did well this year. I see this team as unconventional. But they will be curling for Bronze, and despite their rather clumsy, in my opinion, demeanor, I hope they get their medal. They have an unconventional charm, as opposed to the Euro slick. It is lose-lose when it comes to in infraction calls. Today in the McEwen/Mcewen Laing/Jones game, there was a call. As usual, Jones got her way. (nod nod wink wink).
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04-08-17 08:03PM |
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misty1
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quote: Originally posted by gushuechamp
swiss played a talented game against the U.S. They have a good shot vs Sweden, but it will be close. I call that one at 50/50. Ultimately each is playing only for a silver medal as Gushue is assured winning the final with last rock and how they have played this week.
thats a pretty stupid thing to say. they are the favorites, yes but nothing here is for sure.
i hope for switzerland to make the final. they gave canada their best test of the week and i think would be the best final. plus id like to see some different match ups in the medal games
i also still hope switzerland can pull out the win. been since 1992 that they've won the mens worlds
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04-08-17 08:05PM |
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misty1
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quote: Originally posted by nelski
The Big Country to the south. The Big Curling Country to the north. It seems USA feels toward Canada, with curling the way we feel toward USA with almost everything else. It is the same with Scotland and England in some respects. Shuster is a chatty curler. We have seen these kinds of champions through the decades. George is a veteran too. Years ago (many) the first time I watched the USA at the worlds, live - wpg, I think - I sensed that the team was loud, kind of macho, like a college football team and that they didn't "get" our game. Every country brings its own flavour to the rink. The USA did well this year. I see this team as unconventional. But they will be curling for Bronze, and despite their rather clumsy, in my opinion, demeanor, I hope they get their medal. They have an unconventional charm, as opposed to the Euro slick. It is lose-lose when it comes to in infraction calls. Today in the McEwen/Mcewen Laing/Jones game, there was a call. As usual, Jones got her way. (nod nod wink wink).
if switzerland wins toight i;ll be able to cheer for the United states. however if its switzerland they face i'll be 1000% behind switzerland.
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04-08-17 08:35PM |
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guido
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quote: Originally posted by gonzobob
It's been a while but my recollection is that Tyler said "I don't know where it would've ended up" but that he never said that it might have gone out.
The point being, he shut him down, regardless of what George said.
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04-08-17 08:43PM |
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Three
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Honestly, not saying this to be mean but the 3vs 4 game featured two teams that would struggle to go above .500 at the Brier. Anything can happen in a one game elimination game but Canada vs. Sweden is the final I want to see. The two best teams all week in the gold medal game.
As for the Tyler George thing it was dumb brain fart but he apologized after he was told what he did. Move on. I think in last year's Brier Marc Kennedy swept a Rock before the T-line , he realized it right away, apologized, and we moved on.
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04-08-17 08:57PM |
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hit-n-roll
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Tyler didn't realize he had done it until he saw the pic on twitter and felt bad about it. Apparently no else noticed it either when it happened. You all act like he did it intentionally. Anyone who has played back end has done this by mistake at least once. To quote a biblical curling passage, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
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04-08-17 09:22PM |
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gonzobob
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quote: Originally posted by guido
The point being, he shut him down, regardless of what George said.
I don't agree that he shut Tyler down. Since Tyler didn't know where the rock would've ended up, John made the call.
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04-08-17 09:41PM |
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gushuechamp
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quote: Originally posted by misty1
thats a pretty stupid thing to say.........i also still hope switzerland can pull out the win. been since 1992 that they've won the mens worlds
Translation: it is completely correct, but it is stupid since it isnt what you want. Thanks for playing.
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04-08-17 10:03PM |
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On The Nose
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quote: Originally posted by gushuechamp
And since you are an idiot who is wrong on pretty much every prediction you make that is great news for Brad, and makes me feel even better than I already did about his chances.
quote: Originally posted by gushuechamp
As everyone knew would happen i have been totally right so far (as always) and curlerbroad totally wrong (as usual).
Not only do you call someone "an idiot" within days of your joining this forum, but you're so immensely proud of your insulting behaviour that you quote yourself.
Do everyone a favour and go away.
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04-08-17 10:35PM |
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Ajay
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I had assumed that contributors to this forum were curling enthusiasts and fans, however, given the posts I'm wondering if anybody is watching and enjoying the curling.
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04-09-17 07:55AM |
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misty1
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quote: Originally posted by gushuechamp
Translation: it is completely correct, but it is stupid since it isnt what you want. Thanks for playing.
no, its stupid because ist stupid. nothing is assured. if it was there'd be no point in even playing the game.
i dont expect sweden to win today and im sure most people dont but you never know what can happen in a one game scenario .
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04-09-17 08:29AM |
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curlerbroad
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quote: Originally posted by misty1
no, its stupid because ist stupid. nothing is assured. if it was there'd be no point in even playing the game.
i dont expect sweden to win today and im sure most people dont but you never know what can happen in a one game scenario .
Correct, anything can happen in a curling game. Sweden looked good last night, it should be a good game today.
But I have to say, the quality of the games surprised me, I think Canada was only taken to 10 ends twice...all the other games after 7 or even 6. They all seemed go into club curler mode against them.
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04-09-17 09:45AM |
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misty1
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quote: Originally posted by curlerbroad
Correct, anything can happen in a curling game. Sweden looked good last night, it should be a good game today.
But I have to say, the quality of the games surprised me, I think Canada was only taken to 10 ends twice...all the other games after 7 or even 6. They all seemed go into club curler mode against them.
ill agree there. it was very odd this year. they cant be blamed for missing hard shots. but i saw teams make more misses on simple shots like hit and stay or draw the 4 foot with a clear path than i ever have. i dont know if it was the ice or what the hell was going on but it was weird.
if i recall switzerland is the only team that brad had to throw his last rock against. every other game was over early
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