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03-18-21 01:07PM |
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misty1
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World championships
Since its coming in 2 weeks i figured id open a thread for mens worlds but it can be about all 3.
Mens worlds first, which seems a little weird
My quick thoughts:
Favorites are, as seemingly always lately canada and Sweden. Final could be this again
After some thought I think scotland will struggle again and once again miss the podium , 8n fact i predict they wont even be top 6
China will be the surprise the other way and have a top 6
I don't know what the situation in the US is, what kind of access shutter might have had but he's always in the mix and he's such a good shot maker its hard to write him off
Japan will do well too but not as well as 2 years ago . Top 6 but lose there this time
Germany is a good up and coming young team . Could go either way. Much like the Netherlands I'm not sure of lack of play time helps or hinders them. Totzek, the last rock thrower greatly reminds me of Andy Kapp. Like Andy the German hopes will ride on how well he does
Norway is struggling without ulsrud. Walstad isn't as strong as im surextheyd hoped. Good middle team that might sneak in if 5 or 6 losses is okay and ties are in their favor
Predicted podium:
Switzerland
Canada
Sweden
China
Top 6 but lose in playoffs
United States
Japan
I don't know who the mixed doubles teams are yet so can't say. Womens worlds ill wait until tje slams are done to see what kind of firm teams have but my preliminary top 6 are canada, south Korea, Scotland , United States, switzerland and sweden
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03-18-21 02:49PM |
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MeaghanEdwards
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Got to say I'm looking more forward to the Women's Worlds than the men's.
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03-22-21 02:48PM |
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cnpeters
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For those of us that have both Canadian TSN and the American channels, we've got quite the bounty coming up.
4/2 11:00 AM EST Canada v. Scotland TSN
4/2 9:00 PM EST Canada v. Japan TSN
4/3 11:00 AM EST Canada v. Denmark TSN
4/3 11:00 AM EST USA v. Sweeden Olympic Channel
4/3 4:00 PM EST USA v. Germany Olympic Channel
4/4 11:00 AM EST Canada v. Switzerland TSN
4/4 11:00 AM EST USA v. Japan Olympic Channel
4/4 4:00 PM EST Canada v. Netherlands TSN
4/5 11:00 AM EST Canada v. USA TSN
4/5 11:00 AM EST USA v. Canada NBC Sports Network
4/5 4:00 PM EST Canada v. South Korea TSN
4/6 4:00 PM EST Canada v. Italy TSN
4/6 9:00 PM EST Canada v. China TSN
4/7 4:00 PM EST Canada v. "Russia" TSN
4/7 9:00 PM EST Canada v. Sweeden TSN
4/8 4:00 PM EST USA v. Denmark Olympic Channel
4/8 9:00 PM EST USA v. Netherlands Olympic Channel
4/8 9:00 PM EST Canada v. Norway TSN
4/9 11:00 AM EST Canada v. Germany TSN
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03-23-21 10:43AM |
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cnpeters
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Oooh missed one. In the states, we also get Canada-Sweden on the Olympic Channel.
So 7 games on the US channels, six Shuster games and Canada-Sweden. TSN gets all thirteen Bottcher games.
All in all eighteen different televised games in eight days. TSN shows a game in all playoff draws usually, I don't know if NBC will show playoff games if they're not Shuster.
Also, in the past, when Worlds have been in USA or Canada, we've gotten either Kevin Martin or Pete Fenson calling the games with a random NBC guy, I'd be happy with either. When worlds aren't in North America, we get the World Curling Federation feed which is fine but very bland and generic. I don't know what we'll get this year.
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03-25-21 02:12PM |
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Re: Einarson's 5th Player at Worlds
quote: Originally posted by Manitoba Legend
After seeing Einarson favoring her right forearm after brushing incessantly for Gushue I wonder who she'll bring as her 5th player to Worlds. It can't be a normal spare like Krysten Karwacki. It has to be a superstar or near superstar level player.
Here's some names for speculation:
1. Laura Walker (can play 3rd or skip, adequate brusher)
2. Kaitlyn Lawes (vast international experience in juniors, womens, Olympics - possibly exposed as not the greatest last rock tosser during MD)
3. Sarah Wilkes (could step into Birchard's spot if Birchard had to replace Einarson, Val would stay put at 3rd)
4. Joanne Courtney (same as #3, except Courtney is more fierce and that may not play well with the low key and giggly Einarson/Sweeting combo.
5. Kadrian Sahaidak - wouldn't that be something?
I would NOT consider Jennifer Jones. Great and legendary player but a total misfit for Team Einarson!
Why would you even suggest bringing in a different player as 5th only to disrupt the team chemistry....insert Cheryl Bernard here. If anything were to happen to Kerri, there are 3 more experienced skips on that team able to step up easily.
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03-25-21 09:50PM |
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curlerbroad
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Well as Dawn is due to give birth very soon ML, I don’t think she’d spare! Keri looks fine tonight & she doesn’t have to sweep as much at skip.
Boy does,Cathy have cotton mouth tonight...really stumbling over her words.
Great shot by Keri in 3 to get 2! Kadriana won’t be a good spare as she doesn’t sweep.
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03-25-21 11:38PM |
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dbsdbs
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quote: Originally posted by cnpeters
For those of us that have both Canadian TSN and the American channels, we've got quite the bounty coming up.
No viewing bounty in US. ESPN does not carry TSN coverage of world events. We get only those few games on NBC and Olympic Channel
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03-26-21 08:25PM |
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Bulls Eye
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The fields expanded to 14 teams this year probably due to last year's cancellations and the impact of this year on Olympic qualification. The benefitting countries are Japan (Matsumura) for men's and Estonia (Turmann) for women's with the former a bit of a dark horse given their 2019 4th place finish.
Other than Canada, the men's field is largely unchanged. The big loser is Chang-min Kim (4th in 2018) who was upset by Jeong in South Korea.
Much more change for the women's field with Denmark (Halse -> Dupont), Japan (Fujisawa -> Yoshimura), South Korea (Gim -> Eun-jung Kim) and Switzerland (Stern -> Tirinzoni) all crowning new champions for 2021. Going to miss the crazy sunshine team!
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03-27-21 06:35PM |
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shirleyc
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Men's World's
Is their seeding done for the Men's World's? If so, what is the order?
Thanks.
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03-27-21 07:10PM |
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curlingclips
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quote: Originally posted by Bulls Eye
The benefitting countries are Japan (Matsumura) for men's and Estonia (Turmann) for women's
It's misleading to say that JPN and EST benefited from the expansion. WCF explained the situation fully here:
https://worldcurling.org/2020/10/worlds-expansion/
"After this evaluation, it has been agreed that Italy will now be included in the [women's] 2021, while China will become the 14th team in the [men's] 2021."
Long story short: original plan is to have 13 women's teams in 2021 with ITA out and EST in. However, 2020 was canceled, WCF decided it's fair to give ITA a chance by including them in 2021.
So technically the benefitting country from the 2021 expansion is ITA, not EST. EST earned their way into the original 13 participating countries in 2021 entirely on their own merit.
Similarly, on the men's side, the benefitting country is CHN, not JPN. WCF says so very explicitly in the same press release.
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03-27-21 07:22PM |
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curlingclips
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quote: Originally posted by Bulls Eye
Going to miss the crazy sunshine team!
I did some research into Japanese curling lore. I could be wrong, but I think Team Aomori is the original sunshine team (2005). Loco Solare came later (2010).
Team Yoshimura can trace its lineage to Team Aomori. (So can Loco Solare, via Mari Motohashi, but that's a much weaker connection).
So, in a way, you're not going to miss the crazy sunshine team. You're going to get version 2.0 of the original sunshine team.
References:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aomori_Curling_Club
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokoro_Curling_Club
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayaka_Yoshimura
Keep in mind:
Yumie Hayashi = Yumie Funayama
Ayumi Ogasawara = Ayumi Onodera = Kaho Onodera's sister = Ryoji Onodera's daughter
Fun fact: If you research into Loco Solare, you'd realize that the current skip Satsuki Fujisawa used to be their rival!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBkN4ZQpWwY
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03-28-21 08:52AM |
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cnpeters
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quote: Originally posted by dbsdbs
No viewing bounty in US. ESPN does not carry TSN coverage of world events. We get only those few games on NBC and Olympic Channel
With a VPN I had no problem subscribing to TSN on my computer, and have had good luck for the most part on the devices I have activating that subscription to watch.
I set it up years ago, I mean the downloading of the TSN GO app, perhaps it is region locked for download now? Maybe I’m lucky enough to have a setup that can’t be downloaded now?
I hope others on the us can get the same setup. It’s pretty nice for one month a year.
If you can’t get TSN, looks like world curling fed. is televising a match or two each draw, so a VPN should let you get by that region blocking and watch them all on YouTube.
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03-29-21 10:53PM |
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JDR
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ESPN+ app
quote: Originally posted by cnpeters
With a VPN I had no problem subscribing to TSN on my computer, and have had good luck for the most part on the devices I have activating that subscription to watch.
I set it up years ago, I mean the downloading of the TSN GO app, perhaps it is region locked for download now? Maybe I’m lucky enough to have a setup that can’t be downloaded now?
I hope others on the us can get the same setup. It’s pretty nice for one month a year.
If you can’t get TSN, looks like world curling fed. is televising a match or two each draw, so a VPN should let you get by that region blocking and watch them all on YouTube.
Another streaming option in the US is the ESPN+ app. I believe if you have a cable subscription (it actually works with my YouTube TV and internet provider, Xfinity) you can watch the games which are aired on TSN in Canada. That is how I've been watching all of the Calgary bubble events and it works ok. You can even watch replays if you miss the live event.
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03-30-21 01:41AM |
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Bulls Eye
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quote: Originally posted by curlingclips
It's misleading to say that JPN and EST benefited from the expansion. WCF explained the situation fully here:
https://worldcurling.org/2020/10/worlds-expansion/
"After this evaluation, it has been agreed that Italy will now be included in the [women's] 2021, while China will become the 14th team in the [men's] 2021."
Long story short: original plan is to have 13 women's teams in 2021 with ITA out and EST in. However, 2020 was canceled, WCF decided it's fair to give ITA a chance by including them in 2021.
So technically the benefitting country from the 2021 expansion is ITA, not EST. EST earned their way into the original 13 participating countries in 2021 entirely on their own merit.
Similarly, on the men's side, the benefitting country is CHN, not JPN. WCF says so very explicitly in the same press release.
Thanks for clarifying; I stand corrected.
From an Olympic qualification perspective, the expansion helps those teams that would have otherwise only participated in one of the two world championships if 2020 had taken place. This would be JPN for the men and both EST and ITA for the women. It doesn't matter to CHN as they are hosts.
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03-30-21 01:52AM |
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Bulls Eye
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quote: Originally posted by curlingclips
I did some research into Japanese curling lore. I could be wrong, but I think Team Aomori is the original sunshine team (2005). Loco Solare came later (2010).
Team Yoshimura can trace its lineage to Team Aomori. (So can Loco Solare, via Mari Motohashi, but that's a much weaker connection).
So, in a way, you're not going to miss the crazy sunshine team. You're going to get version 2.0 of the original sunshine team.
References:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aomori_Curling_Club
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokoro_Curling_Club
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayaka_Yoshimura
Keep in mind:
Yumie Hayashi = Yumie Funayama
Ayumi Ogasawara = Ayumi Onodera = Kaho Onodera's sister = Ryoji Onodera's daughter
Fun fact: If you research into Loco Solare, you'd realize that the current skip Satsuki Fujisawa used to be their rival!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBkN4ZQpWwY
Yes, agree Loco Solare really became a powerhouse when Fujisawa joined the team in 2015. Funny how Japanese teams like to use Latin names. The current champs are team Hokkaido Bank Fortius.
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03-30-21 08:47AM |
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cnpeters
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Re: ESPN+ app
quote: Originally posted by JDR
Another streaming option in the US is the ESPN+ app. I believe if you have a cable subscription (it actually works with my YouTube TV and internet provider, Xfinity) you can watch the games which are aired on TSN in Canada. That is how I've been watching all of the Calgary bubble events and it works ok. You can even watch replays if you miss the live event.
Oh certainly - but you won't get the World Championships on ESPN+, because NBC has the rights to broadcast them in the US. So if you want to watch them you'll be stuck with only the NBC Sports and Olympic Channels (which is also NBC) . ESPN+ will be blacked out. We get the Brier and Scotties and Mixed Doubles because there are no US rights to the Canadian national championships sold by Curling Canada.
Fortunately/Unfortunately that isn't true for Worlds, so you gotta get sneaky.
NBC plays the international feed - but the good news is we will be getting Kevin Martin on the international feed and he's pretty wonderful.
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03-30-21 10:23AM |
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dmatch
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The Season of Champions Curling (TSN) is always listed as being on ESPN3 in the schedule from https://www.espn.com/watch/. That is where I have been watching it. Perhaps ESPN+ is being confused with ESPN3?
EDIT: I see that the reference to ESPN+ was the app not the subscription service. I don't know what is available thru the app. Can you watch ESPN3 without a subscription to ESPN by subscribing to ESPN+ only?
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03-30-21 11:16AM |
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Curlwalker
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How does bubble work
Anyone know the details of the bubble? Saw pictures of some teams flying in last week but some others (Retornaz and Van Dorp) curled in Scotland this past weekend so will only be arriving a couple of days before the event starts. Do they just get tested on arrival or do they have to wait for ice time until their tests are verified?
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03-30-21 11:23AM |
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Curlwalker
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Maybe two weeks ago
Sorry looks like I interpreted the results wrong..the Scotland spiel was a week ago. Still would like to know how the bubble works.
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03-30-21 01:50PM |
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cnpeters
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quote: Originally posted by dmatch
The Season of Champions Curling (TSN) is always listed as being on ESPN3 in the schedule from https://www.espn.com/watch/. That is where I have been watching it. Perhaps ESPN+ is being confused with ESPN3?
EDIT: I see that the reference to ESPN+ was the app not the subscription service. I don't know what is available thru the app. Can you watch ESPN3 without a subscription to ESPN by subscribing to ESPN+ only?
Oh I have ESPN3 and ESPN+ and mix them up a lot.
It's not that ESPN doesn't carry Season of Champions coverage - they do, they're just legally obligated not to show events that other entities have paid for. In this case, NBC has paid for USA broadcast rights to the Worlds, so in the past TSN coverage of worlds is blacked out here. This includes Curling Canada region blocking their YouTube videos of worlds while the event is happening.
I mean, I hope I'm wrong, but I'm quite sure NBC didn't buy the rights to this expecting ESPN to stream it. I mean one of the games NBC is televising is Canada-Sweden. There's no way they'd be on board with ESPN streaming it simultaneously to the United States.
Like I said, I hope I'm wrong. ESPN+/ESPN3 is much easier than getting a VPN to hide you like you're in Canada and using TSN or using the VPN to be in a place like Mexico where WorldCurling.org isn't region blocked on YouTube.
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03-30-21 06:30PM |
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curlerbroad
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Re: How does bubble work
quote: Originally posted by Curlwalker
Anyone know the details of the bubble? Saw pictures of some teams flying in last week but some others (Retornaz and Van Dorp) curled in Scotland this past weekend so will only be arriving a couple of days before the event starts. Do they just get tested on arrival or do they have to wait for ice time until their tests are verified?
I think they have to wait for their tests to get verified but interesting they don’t have to do the 14 day quarantine or even a 7 day one...
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03-30-21 06:57PM |
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If it's like the brier, they all did a pre-event quarantine at home before the event. Had proof of a negative test before they travel there. Immediate test off the plane, and then 3 straight days of tests.
Or something very similar to above.
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03-30-21 07:49PM |
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curlerbroad
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quote: Originally posted by IN-OFF-FOR-2
If it's like the brier, they all did a pre-event quarantine at home before the event. Had proof of a negative test before they travel there. Immediate test off the plane, and then 3 straight days of tests.
Or something very similar to above.
Not bad for an international visitor...
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03-30-21 09:18PM |
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quote: Originally posted by cnpeters
Oh I have ESPN3 and ESPN+ and mix them up a lot.
It's not that ESPN doesn't carry Season of Champions coverage - they do, they're just legally obligated not to show events that other entities have paid for. In this case, NBC has paid for USA broadcast rights to the Worlds, so in the past TSN coverage of worlds is blacked out here. This includes Curling Canada region blocking their YouTube videos of worlds while the event is happening.
I mean, I hope I'm wrong, but I'm quite sure NBC didn't buy the rights to this expecting ESPN to stream it. I mean one of the games NBC is televising is Canada-Sweden. There's no way they'd be on board with ESPN streaming it simultaneously to the United States.
Like I said, I hope I'm wrong. ESPN+/ESPN3 is much easier than getting a VPN to hide you like you're in Canada and using TSN or using the VPN to be in a place like Mexico where WorldCurling.org isn't region blocked on YouTube.
You’re not wrong. ESPN3 and ESPN+ will not have the world championships. NBC has exclusive broadcast rights in the USA.
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03-30-21 09:50PM |
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curlingclips
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quote: Originally posted by southerncurler
You’re not wrong. ESPN3 and ESPN+ will not have the world championships. NBC has exclusive broadcast rights in the USA.
Will they do their own commentary, or are they just going to broadcast whatever WCF produces?
I know in the past NBC did their own commentary, usually with Kevin Martin, but I'm not sure what they'll do this time.
Mike Harris says that Kevin Martin (among others) will work with him for WCF, not NBC.
https://twitter.com/mikeharriscurls...294049821384705
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