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02-16-16 09:51AM |
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Itsjustagame
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as per the article :
''Curling Canada's high-performance director Gerry Peckham says there isn't enough time for the world governing body to do the same with hair brushes and come up with a policy for its member federations prior to the Scotties, Brier and the men's and women's world curling championships.''
It only took a couple of days to ban the Hardline IcePad. No time to ban hair brushes? Just checked and HL does not make hair brushes. What a convenient coincidence!
Here is policy I can come up with in 5 seconds : NO hair brushes as of today, 10h00 ET.
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02-16-16 09:55AM |
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guido
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Time to go back to the days of Rockmasters, Blackjacks and Little beavers!!!
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02-16-16 10:00AM |
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biterbar
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quote: Originally posted by Itsjustagame
as per the article :
''Curling Canada's high-performance director Gerry Peckham says there isn't enough time for the world governing body to do the same with hair brushes and come up with a policy for its member federations prior to the Scotties, Brier and the men's and women's world curling championships.''
It only took a couple of days to ban the Hardline IcePad. No time to ban hair brushes? Just checked and HL does not make hair brushes. What a convenient coincidence!
Here is policy I can come up with in 5 seconds : NO hair brushes as of today, 10h00 ET.
STOP MAKING SENSE!
Or, how about we go back to 2010 sweeping rules?
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02-16-16 10:04AM |
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curlerbroad
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quote: Originally posted by Itsjustagame
as per the article :
''Curling Canada's high-performance director Gerry Peckham says there isn't enough time for the world governing body to do the same with hair brushes and come up with a policy for its member federations prior to the Scotties, Brier and the men's and women's world curling championships.''
It only took a couple of days to ban the Hardline IcePad. No time to ban hair brushes? Just checked and HL does not make hair brushes. What a convenient coincidence!
Here is policy I can come up with in 5 seconds : NO hair brushes as of today, 10h00 ET.
This sounds like a monopoly to me...I thought that was illegal in Canada? Completely agree - they were very quick to ban Hardline's IcePad. Hmmm, who sells hair brooms? Oh yes, GL & BP among others.
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02-16-16 11:54AM |
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Itsjustagame
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Re: it will get settled
quote: Originally posted by HotRocks
There will be fully crafted regulations in force by the time the 2016-17 season comes around.
Of that there is really no doubt.
If not to protect their own sponsors, why not right now? It was not complicated the first time!
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02-16-16 02:41PM |
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averagecurler
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Can't you still make a rock curl with a synthetic pad? Perhaps not to the same degree as you can with hair, but make it curl nonetheless.
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02-16-16 05:30PM |
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Flashing8
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Wasn't it the players that started the ban on the heads by signing a petition that they wouldn't use the now banned heads?
Seems funny that a few months ago they all jumped on the wagon and signed on the dotted line now they just complain,seems like one of those careful what you ask for moments!
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02-16-16 05:43PM |
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dugless_zone 13
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its been shown that hair can do the same thing "certain banned heads"could do. Gerry's statement was a rediculously idiotic attempt to not acknowledge that they screwed up from the start. When the WCF bans hair will CC accept it as they did with the broom moratorium? As there not being enough time before the Scotties and the Brier, these curlers just switched over to this technique with the hair brooms, they can not have forgotten how they swept prior to this year.
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02-16-16 06:44PM |
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JustAnotherHack
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Should be entertaining when Hardline and their lawyers start ripping apart the WCF and Curling Canada...
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02-16-16 08:03PM |
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peteski
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quote: Originally posted by Itsjustagame
as per the article :
''Curling Canada's high-performance director Gerry Peckham says there isn't enough time for the world governing body to do the same with hair brushes and come up with a policy for its member federations prior to the Scotties, Brier and the men's and women's world curling championships.''
It only took a couple of days to ban the Hardline IcePad. No time to ban hair brushes? Just checked and HL does not make hair brushes. What a convenient coincidence!
Here is policy I can come up with in 5 seconds : NO hair brushes as of today, 10h00 ET.
Only took a couple days? October 14 was the day the slam teams came up with their self-ban. Curling Canada didn't come up with a policy until November 27! That's more than a couple days.
Look, I would like to see the hair brushes banned before the Scotties, but the way people around here insist on framing this issue is a bit ridiculous.
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02-16-16 08:35PM |
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AlanMacNeill
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You don't make changes to the rules in the middle of a season...you just don't.
It's not fair to anyone.
Honestly, they *shouldn't* have gone even as far as they did back in November..but at least that was the very beginning of the season, before playdowns started in any nation.
But to change the rules now, once several nations have chosen their reps...after National PLaydowns using the techniques...too late...not fair.
There's plenty of time in the offseason to adjust the rules...do it then. Maybe even have a "round table" *at* world's to discuss it...but don't change in this narrow window...it isn't fair.
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02-16-16 09:55PM |
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dugless_zone 13
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"But to change the rules now, once several nations have chosen their reps...after National PLaydowns using the techniques...too late...not fair."
they are not changing the techniques, they would be banning the use of a piece of equipment, a ban that would effect all teams, not just one manufacturers teams. All teams are quite familiar with the pad brooms, they are not something new. As for the technique, we have seen it done with both hair and fabric so there is no disadvantage to anyone.
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02-16-16 09:59PM |
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IN-OFF-FOR-2
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I agree with Alan. You can't arbitrarily mid season change the rules on a whim. Again. And again. And again. Especially based on sponsorship to the WCF and Canada Curling and any other organization receiving money from ANY OF THE BROOM COMPANIES in the form of sponsorship or payment. Take a breather, stand back, soak it in, and use COMMON SENSE. Too much to ask for I'm sure. How many times does it have to be said, it's much much more to do with technique than any fabric or hair. Stop the BS once and for all.
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02-17-16 12:09AM |
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drawthepin
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I was told today that all teams at the Brier and Scotties have decided not to use hair brushes for those events.
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02-17-16 12:29AM |
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peteski
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quote: Originally posted by drawthepin
I was told today that all teams at the Brier and Scotties have decided not to use hair brushes for those events.
Makes sense. Good for the players.
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02-17-16 01:10AM |
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milobloom
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quote: Originally posted by drawthepin
I was told today that all teams at the Brier and Scotties have decided not to use hair brushes for those events.
Where did you hear this?
Sure hope there is no frost.
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02-17-16 04:57AM |
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On The Nose
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To say that this broom/sweeping issue has been mis-managed from the beginning - and continues to be - by both the WCF and Curling Canada would be a huge understatement.
One would be hard-pressed to come up with a way of dealing with the situation (or, as some would say, NOT dealing with it) that is worse than what has been done (and not done) thus far.
And the players have not handled it much better than the governing bodies have... The huge majority of players signed the infamous 'agreement' at the beginning of the season to not use certain brush heads/materials because, they said, they wanted to 'protect the integrity of the game they love' against the ridiculous manipulating of the rock's path that was happening. They all said it was terrible for the game.
Yet every single one of those players has since employed the very sweeping techniques which they claimed were terrible for the game - and they've used them at every single opportunity all season.
Never mind the integrity of the game - how about showing some personal integrity, people...
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02-17-16 10:13AM |
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dks
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I agree the whole broom issue was mishandled from the start. Banning a particular manufacturer's product seemed strange to state the obvious. It appears that hair brushes can mimic the same effects that Hardline brooms can. To be consistent, ban hair brushes. It will be fair because all teams will be playing on an equal basis.
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02-17-16 11:19AM |
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biterbar
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See, that wasn't so difficult was it?
All of the testing and studies were done before they just needed to apply it to this situation. Although hair should have been tested right along with the other synthetic heads.
I hope the WCF takes a cue from the CCA and does the same.
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02-17-16 11:22AM |
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AlanMacNeill
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Aside from that they've just made it so that the single most effective tool to fight frosty sheets is now not available.
Maybe not a problem on manicured ice, but at the Club level, it's a very real thing...and i seem to recall that there have been frosty sheets at CCA events as well.
In short, they failed to fix the actual *problem*.
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02-17-16 11:30AM |
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bennybeam
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I have less an issue with the pros---as they adapted the sweeping techniques and all gained an unfair advantage to get to the STOH/Brier.
Where I have a problem is with the juniors/bantams. The older teams cheated all year and had a decided advantage all year. First they had the plastic insert to help on hits until that was banned. more recently at the provs they routinely joy-sticked absolute misses into 100% makes.
If there's one thing I've learned in watching my kid take up this game it's this: people love to brag about how ethical curling participants are but the facts doesn't back that up. Coaches coach from behind the glass routinely. Kids regularly slam their brooms on the ice and later destroy them in the change rooms after a loss. Opposing players rarely give their opponents the benefit of the doubt when on ice things happen---inadvertent rock moving, hogline violations, etc.
But at the junior women's provincials, a first time team was disqualified for having a fifth broom on the ice after a few ends. Where the hell is the common sense? You really need to DQ a team for a violation that had absolute no effect on the outcome of the game. Couldn't the opposing skip exercise some of that 'spirit of the game' stuff you guys love to spout? Yes a rule was broken but for heaven's sake, how about some context.
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02-17-16 11:55AM |
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biterbar
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quote: Originally posted by AlanMacNeill
Aside from that they've just made it so that the single most effective tool to fight frosty sheets is now not available.
Maybe not a problem on manicured ice, but at the Club level, it's a very real thing...and i seem to recall that there have been frosty sheets at CCA events as well.
In short, they failed to fix the actual *problem*.
I think they kept the integrity of the game until the sweeping techniques can be changed for next year. It sounds as if the competitors were going to self ban them anyway.
Now the Worlds need to do the same. I hope that October brings an end to this snowplowing/directional sweeping mess and this is just a blip on the history of the game.
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