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11-24-21 08:09AM
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Timing and ties rule changes alternatives

There's been much discussion lately about the rule changes that'll be tried at the Worlds, most of which don't seem to be very popular at the moment.

On the per-end timing, I'd like to see a different new rule tried, as I agree that it rushes the players too much and takes away one of the very things I come to watch for: the puzzles and the problem-solving amongst the team members. Still, I do like the goal of trying to take away one of the incentives teams have when they intentionally seek to blank an end from the get-go, which is time-banking. So, how about this instead... timing-per-half. Rather than 38 minutes for whole ten end game, do 19 minutes for the first five and another 19 for the back five. This way, any time-banking teams may try to do will only help for the first half. Also, give them one time out per half, but only one. If they don't spend their first half one, they don't get it in the second.

As for the tie-breaking rules, I don't like the point system that's been proposed. Still, if they really want to do away with extra ends in tie round robin games, I have another alternative: if you get to a tie in the tenth, look at the linescores of the two teams and pick a category of performance in that linescore that can be used as the tiebreaker. For example, you could add up the number of ends each team scored 2 or more with hammer or scored 1 or more without. If that still doesn't break the tie, make it just steal points. If that still doesn't work, ok, at that point, go to the draw shot at the start.

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look at the linescores of the two teams and pick a category of performance in that linescore that can be used as the tiebreaker

This is a bad idea, because it's basically a measurement of a team's playing style for that particular game. You're never going to come up with a satisfactory formula for comparing performances (e.g. a team that scores deuces regularly vs a team that might give up risky steals for a chance at big ends).

The game should be decided on skill, not on style or some other quantification. Despite all the objections, drawing the button is at least a skill competition happening on the ice.

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World Curling seems to hate curling and loves making problems where they don't exist. It's obvious they see the future of the sport to be mixed doubles and team play an obnoxious hurdle on the way to a future of exclusively mixed doubles competitions.

The solution to a tie is what it's always been: an extra end. It's only boring if you don't like curling.

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I would prefer an extra end as well, as it's always been. I was just tossing that out there as a less worse alternative than using LSD or a shootout. Another one I thought of was to still have an extra end, but if TV insists, make it shorter, where both teams only get 4 rocks each, with each player throwing just 1.

Some of these changes have the stench of NBC's outdated US commercial TV model about them; like they're trying to shoehorn curling into the form that fits the tired old broadcasting model NBC still insists on using for the Olympics that no one but them enjoys.

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Oh I hear ya. They're just all so problematic when the answer is right there as it always has been.

If WC really wants to grow the sport they should forget the dying American empire and focus on Asia. Appeasing whatever twisted view they have of American sports viewers is not worth destroying the sport.

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Oh I hear ya. They're just all so problematic when the answer is right there as it always has been.

If WC really wants to grow the sport they should forget the dying American empire and focus on Asia. Appeasing whatever twisted view they have of American sports viewers is not worth destroying the sport.

You nailed the USAians there. Watching curling on NBC is excruciating. They apparently assume the viewer is only going to watch 10-15 minutes as they repeat the same old thing over and over again. Terribly dumbed down.

Poor Kevin Martin has to check half his brain at the door to do color commentary for NBC.

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