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Ryan Fry is leaving Team Jacobs. Brad, E.J., and Ryan are sticking together.

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I think most people could see this coming. My questions are who takes his place and who will he curl with next year?

My first guess would be Horgan joins Jacobs. And Fry probably plays closer to home.

Let the changes begin now for the men.

ML will be on shortly with his 7 scenarios.

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I think most people could see this coming. My questions are who takes his place and who will he curl with next year?

My first guess would be Horgan joins Jacobs. And Fry probably plays closer to home.

Let the changes begin now for the men.

ML will be on shortly with his 7 scenarios.



Fry is a curling predator - and a travelling gun-for-hire to boot!

He'll be evaluating the landscape closely - can't get much better than a proverbial auto-berth out of Northern Ontario - but I suspect he didn't like going down 4 straight at the end of the Brier - despite good, tough fights. He knows Jacobs is a great shooter - but seldom stands up to superior men like Koe or Gushue.

That said, despite his fabled foibles Fry is a tremendous talent.

Going to Manitoba means upending the current gate-keepers McEwen and/or Carruthers - perhaps joining forces with one of them.
Saskatchewan has a couple potential hook-ups, especially another ex-Manitoban Matty Dunstone.

Or he could hook up with Horgan in N. Ont. - on one hand he's weakened Jacobs and strengthened Horgan?

Final scenario - he flees to the west coast with a clean sheet - and joins forces with the usual auto-berth winner, Jim Cotter. If Cotter could tolerate Fry that could be a potent combination - don't know if it would be any better than the Jacobs gang though!

Finally - if I were Fry I'd try to cobble together another Canadian super-team.

My choices - John Morris skipping, Marc Kennedy 3rd, Fry at 2nd and a fresh face at lead (lots of potential good leads to choose from)

NB. Morris isn't a lock for skip. They could shuffle this lineup any number of ways. Just don't know if guys like Morris & Kennedy want to curl with Fry. Thats Fry's biggest challenge!

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Fry is a super talented player.

Loves associating with so-called mega-teams.

1. Jeff Stoughton
2. Brad Gushue
3. Brad Jacobs

Now - a bit of uncertainly at age 41

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Horgan is my bet guess as to who'll fill in Fry's footsteps.

Originally, before BJ was chosen for third position, Jacobs was going to play with Koe (and BJ was originally going to go with Epping).

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Horgan is my bet guess as to who'll fill in Fry's footsteps.

Originally, before BJ was chosen for third position, Jacobs was going to play with Koe (and BJ was originally going to go with Epping).



Yep Horgan is a favourite for Jacobs and perhaps Epping should give Fry a call...again not surprised given the glares that Jacobs and Fry were giving each other in playoffs.

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More team changes:

Laura Walker to skip new team, with third Kate Cameron, second Taylor McDonald and lead Nadine Scotland.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/curling/al...am-next-season/

Team Ulsrud disbanding
http://tinyurl.com/y6o9du7o

Braden Calvert of Manitoba has a new member, as Justin Richter will come in at Alternate and Coach next season.
http://tinyurl.com/y68pjd82

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Wow. News flying in now

Englot's team sounds promising. Goid, young players and they will gain so much curling with someone as experienced as Michelle. Will be great for them.

With Hogran and Kean separating and fry leaving it does seem likely we will hear soon enough of Hogan joining Jacob's ar 3rd

Laura Walker's new team looks strong and I'm glad to see Kate get picked up. She's such a strong player. She could really help Laura take the next step

I'm calling it now too. Mcruthers to split up and mcewen to scoop up fry at third, Wozniak comes back at second and they get a new, young lead. Doering maybe.or maybe poach njegovan from gunnlaugsons team.

Sad about ulsrud but their results have really dropped off and u cant see them being happy with where they are

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More team changes:

Laura Walker to skip new team, with third Kate Cameron, second Taylor McDonald and lead Nadine Scotland.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/curling/al...am-next-season/

Team Ulsrud disbanding
http://tinyurl.com/y6o9du7o

Braden Calvert of Manitoba has a new member, as Justin Richter will come in at Alternate and Coach next season.
http://tinyurl.com/y68pjd82



Laura Walker (nee Crocker) has one of the greatest personalities in canadian women's curling history. Right up there with Sandra Schmirler, Colleen Jones, Amber Holland, Sherri Singler.
But a skip she's not. Been proven too many times - just not enough arrows in her quiver.
Kate Cameron can be a good 3rd - but Walker will have to pamper her tremendously as Kate tends to lose hope more than most, earlier than most.
No surprise Walker jumped overboard and abandoned the veteran ship Titanic!

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I guess also a big question is what happens to Norway without ulsrus. Without nordby the women fell off the map and never recovered. I dont think that will happen to the men. I think, unlike Germany and denmark who fell off when kapp and stock or schmidt and frederiksen retired Norway will keep top tier. What I mean is walstad is good but not on the level of mouat, edin, decruz muirhead or schaller at their best. Ramsfjell is young and untested but certainly promising and curling is in his blood. Just remains to be seen if either can keep Norway a true contender the wY trulsen and ulsrus did for so long or fall to a middle of the pack kind if team . This is the first time Norway has not had a top team ready to take over though when the current team retires

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Not a surprise to anyone. The body language and optical daggers said it all during the Brier.

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Wow. News flying in now

Englot's team sounds promising. Goid, young players and they will gain so much curling with someone as experienced as Michelle. Will be great for them.

With Hogran and Kean separating and fry leaving it does seem likely we will hear soon enough of Hogan joining Jacob's ar 3rd

Laura Walker's new team looks strong and I'm glad to see Kate get picked up. She's such a strong player. She could really help Laura take the next step

I'm calling it now too. Mcruthers to split up and mcewen to scoop up fry at third, Wozniak comes back at second and they get a new, young lead. Doering maybe.or maybe poach njegovan from gunnlaugsons team.

Sad about ulsrud but their results have really dropped off and u cant see them being happy with where they are



If McEwen somehow secures the rights to Fry, gets Matt Wozniak at 2nd & a young calf-roper like Ngejvon they'll be near unbeatable - in Manitoba. But thats about the same as Mike & Reid now - they're kings in Manitoba - but paupers at the national level. Fry boosts them up at least a step and a half - - - might but Mikey on equal footing with Jacobs and just a half step behind the monsters - Gushue & Koe. Obviously, worth a try!

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Wow. News flying in now

Englot's team sounds promising. Goid, young players and they will gain so much curling with someone as experienced as Michelle. Will be great for them.

With Hogran and Kean separating and fry leaving it does seem likely we will hear soon enough of Hogan joining Jacob's ar 3rd

Laura Walker's new team looks strong and I'm glad to see Kate get picked up. She's such a strong player. She could really help Laura take the next step

I'm calling it now too. Mcruthers to split up and mcewen to scoop up fry at third, Wozniak comes back at second and they get a new, young lead. Doering maybe.or maybe poach njegovan from gunnlaugsons team.

Sad about ulsrud but their results have really dropped off and u cant see them being happy with where they are



Michelle Englot's return to competitive curling is fascinating. Back to back appearances in the Scotties, coming within a poorly positioned stone of knocking out Rachel Homan despite the disparity between Homan (who's a monster hitter) and Englot (who's not).

Schmirler's daughter asking Michelle to take the helm is a wonderful story - Englot & Schmirler were the dominant skips in Sask'n for over a decade - they fought brilliantly against each other.
Sara may not be ready to take on monsters like Homan, Scheidegger, Carey, even JJ but it can't hurt and look at all the knowledge she'll pick up working with MIchelle.

Best part - is there's really only 1 legitimate provincial monster to overcome in Robyn Silvernagle. Streifel is a provincial version of Laura Walker, Sherri is even older than Englot.

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If McEwen somehow secures the rights to Fry, gets Matt Wozniak at 2nd & a young calf-roper like Ngejvon they'll be near unbeatable - in Manitoba. But thats about the same as Mike & Reid now - they're kings in Manitoba - but paupers at the national level. Fry boosts them up at least a step and a half - - - might but Mikey on equal footing with Jacobs and just a half step behind the monsters - Gushue & Koe. Obviously, worth a try!



mcewen could be really good at national level if he has guys with him who buy into his game and believe in him. his performances at the brier, with the exception of his 3rd one as a skip are strong.

i think if he could refresh with a new team that supports him and believes in him then he could once again get up there among the top teams in the world.

on another note some teams/people i am curious about are :

team einarson - rumors already there that they are breaking up after this season. if they are ture who does kerri pick up?. until michelle made her announcement i thought kate cameron would make a good third for her. and val..does she return to alberta and, again, if so who does she pick up?. maybe team up with rocque.

will john morris return?., he stepped away this year from 4 person but somehow i find it hard to believe he's truly done with 4 person. somehow i wouldnt be surprised if he turned up with someone.

does bottcher stick with moulding?. no evidence to support he wont. not likely he does but i do believe he should. obviously my personal opinion on the matter is worthless to him and in general. but while darren is solid , like i said before i dont think he's strong enough for brendan to take the final step.
on the other hand(and its shocking) the talent pool for top level 3rds is shallow. so its hard to say where he could go t pick up a top 3rd that isnt already taken

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mcewen could be really good at national level if he has guys with him who buy into his game and believe in him. his performances at the brier, with the exception of his 3rd one as a skip are strong.

i think if he could refresh with a new team that supports him and believes in him then he could once again get up there among the top teams in the world.

on another note some teams/people i am curious about are :

team einarson - rumors already there that they are breaking up after this season. if they are ture who does kerri pick up?. until michelle made her announcement i thought kate cameron would make a good third for her. and val..does she return to alberta and, again, if so who does she pick up?. maybe team up with rocque.

will john morris return?., he stepped away this year from 4 person but somehow i find it hard to believe he's truly done with 4 person. somehow i wouldnt be surprised if he turned up with someone.

does bottcher stick with moulding?. no evidence to support he wont. not likely he does but i do believe he should. obviously my personal opinion on the matter is worthless to him and in general. but while darren is solid , like i said before i dont think he's strong enough for brendan to take the final step.
on the other hand(and its shocking) the talent pool for top level 3rds is shallow. so its hard to say where he could go t pick up a top 3rd that isnt already taken



Hope Val stays in Alberta and doesn't have to fly all over hell's half acre to meet her team at events. GIve herself one more go as a competitive skip - then perhaps stick to mixed or retire.

One team she could immediately glom onto is Laura Walker's all-vet group. Val might actually fit in well with that outfit.

Her primary obstacle in Alberta will be Scheidegger but after that its pretty much a scramble. Always liked Val - all her prior teammates have got to the golden podium - except for Val herself.
Very pleasant personality - maybe too pleasant and very low-key (unlike hi-strung performers like Jones, Lawes, Cathy O, Carey, Silvernagle, etc.)

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Hope Val stays in Alberta and doesn't have to fly all over hell's half acre to meet her team at events. GIve herself one more go as a competitive skip - then perhaps stick to mixed or retire.

One team she could immediately glom onto is Laura Walker's all-vet group. Val might actually fit in well with that outfit.

Her primary obstacle in Alberta will be Scheidegger but after that its pretty much a scramble. Always liked Val - all her prior teammates have got to the golden podium - except for Val herself.
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Walker has already announced her new team, sans Val.

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Walker has already announced her new team, sans Val.



Yes, she did.

And that leaves the all-vets without a skip.

Enter Valberta!

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AAH I see. I thought you were saying Val would team up with Walker, but rather Walker's last years team.

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I don't think McEwen-Carruthers are going to part ways. They've had an up-and-down season for sure, but I think people are exaggerating how "bad" it was just a bit. Are they happy with the results so far? Of course not. Is there room for improvement? Totally. Was it all bad? No.

I agree that watching them it seems like McEwen is viewed as somewhat of an interloper by the front end...not saying they don't like the guy, but there definitely is some lack of trust/lack of belief there. As for Mike and Reid, I think the issue is they're TOO nice to each other, and they have problems fitting into the back end roles in that regard. Mike skipping and throwing last seems to work better for them, but again I think both he and Reid struggle with their roles, especially mentally. That being said, these are all issues that can be fixed.

Let's not forget that Koe's previous team had a pretty "meh" first season (2014-2015), but really came out swinging the next year and over the course of the cycle won a Brier, a World Championshp, Canada Cup, a few Slams, and the Trials...yes they didn't medal last year, but they made it and finished fourth.

Anyway, my point is I see a similar situation with this team (I do think they have had a worse season than Koe's was that first year, but some of the issues are similar). They have some issues to work out in the offseason, especially with communication and the mental aspect of their game, but like I said these are things that can be fixed and I think they will do so.

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I don't think McEwen-Carruthers are going to part ways. They've had an up-and-down season for sure, but I think people are exaggerating how "bad" it was just a bit. Are they happy with the results so far? Of course not. Is there room for improvement? Totally. Was it all bad? No.

I agree that watching them it seems like McEwen is viewed as somewhat of an interloper by the front end...not saying they don't like the guy, but there definitely is some lack of trust/lack of belief there. As for Mike and Reid, I think the issue is they're TOO nice to each other, and they have problems fitting into the back end roles in that regard. Mike skipping and throwing last seems to work better for them, but again I think both he and Reid struggle with their roles, especially mentally. That being said, these are all issues that can be fixed.

Let's not forget that Koe's previous team had a pretty "meh" first season (2014-2015), but really came out swinging the next year and over the course of the cycle won a Brier, a World Championshp, Canada Cup, a few Slams, and the Trials...yes they didn't medal last year, but they made it and finished fourth.

Anyway, my point is I see a similar situation with this team (I do think they have had a worse season than Koe's was that first year, but some of the issues are similar). They have some issues to work out in the offseason, especially with communication and the mental aspect of their game, but like I said these are things that can be fixed and I think they will do so.



yeah but the difference here is that reid and mike still seem to both be trying to skip the game. they've had a full season to work things out and still havent been able to do it. neither one seems to want to fully give up the skipping aspect . like i said curling with friends doesnt always work. obviously, over time if you star together for a while a team becomes friends but thats different.

the problem reid and mike have isnt easy to fix .

at least with kevin and that team there was only one skip

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yeah but the difference here is that reid and mike still seem to both be trying to skip the game. they've had a full season to work things out and still havent been able to do it. neither one seems to want to fully give up the skipping aspect . like i said curling with friends doesnt always work. obviously, over time if you star together for a while a team becomes friends but thats different.

the problem reid and mike have isnt easy to fix .

at least with kevin and that team there was only one skip



Very true all around. I agree, it's not going to be easy, and I don't think they can fix it on their own.

I think they can fix it, with the right help. What it's probably going to take is bringing in an objective outside party (mental coach. sports psychologist, or just a good old fashioned coach/mentor) to basically sit the team down, give them some harsh truths, tell them how things need to be going forward, and then help them work through it.

Yeah, this team has had a year to work through things and not done so on their own. That being said, the first year of the cycle is always the "trial and error" year. Besides, I think with what they can potentially accomplish as a team they shouldn't give up on it without givng it another shot. Like I said, with the right outside help I think it can be done.

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Yet more team changes...Martin Crete’s team is breaking up...they were fun to watch.

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does bottcher stick with moulding?. no evidence to support he wont. not likely he does but i do believe he should. obviously my personal opinion on the matter is worthless to him and in general. but while darren is solid , like i said before i dont think he's strong enough for brendan to take the final step.
on the other hand(and its shocking) the talent pool for top level 3rds is shallow. so its hard to say where he could go t pick up a top 3rd that isnt already taken

Fry?

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does bottcher stick with moulding?. no evidence to support he wont. not likely he does but i do believe he should. obviously my personal opinion on the matter is worthless to him and in general. but while darren is solid , like i said before i dont think he's strong enough for brendan to take the final step.
on the other hand(and its shocking) the talent pool for top level 3rds is shallow. so its hard to say where he could go t pick up a top 3rd that isnt already taken

Fry?



If Bottcher's choice is between Moulding & Fry - I choose Moulding.

He's about 5 or 6 yrs younger than Fry - he's from Alberta, fully understands the depth of the developmental talent Bottcher and his shooting, while a bit lower than Fry is still top notch.

If it came down to Fry or John Morris - then I'd be around 50/50 if Morris was willing to dedicate to a full Olympic run.

The outside shot would be Reid Carruthers - a bit closer to young Bottcher in age, character beyond reproach. Only real question is that while Moulding is the spirit-bomb of Team Bottcher, Reid's rather low-key approach could potentially deflate Bottcher's marvellous recent and future run.

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