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I vote that manitoba and alberta get slots in the brier

Stermay would be a great edition

And jets are beating hawks 3-2

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"Jeff makes better curler than announcer.."

To the contrary, I think SN's broadcast team would be improved significantly with Stoughton on board. Only question: which two of the current staff should be handed their walking papers?

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And Howard just might eat McEwan alive...Scott Howard is very intense. That front end is decent too.

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Mike and Reid seem just as uncomfortable and unnatural in their curling partnership as they did at the beginning a couple of years ago.
Sure, they'll win more than they'll lose - on raw talent only... but when confronted with teams that are their peers, that's when they falter.

They are good friends - and that's fine. But the dynamic between them on the ice when they are challenged by good teams is so awkward and unnatural that it's difficult to watch. Surely some objective observers have mentioned this to them... or perhaps people are afraid to be honest with them.
Designating McEwen as the leader of the team - Skipping, throwing Skip stones, and the team in his name - has not helped at all. There is still no bonafide leader of this team. And it's because they are good friends - they are both afraid of vetoing the other's decisions. This leads to wishy-washy leadership, and the team suffers because of it.

Man, I was writing the same thing 2 years ago - and nothing's changed since then. The team dynamic hasn't improved at all.
It's sad to say, but they were both better on their own than they are together. It's time to cut their losses and abandon ship at the end of this season, for the good of all involved.

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And Howard just might eat McEwan alive...Scott Howard is very intense. That front end is decent too.


The Howards should be almost overwhelming favorites over the Meek McMeekus group from Manitoba.

Like the last poster - no excitement, no leadership, limited mental toughness.

Jennifer Jones, aged 46 has obviously deteriorated quite a bit from her amazing Olympic levels - but no one questions her ferocity, her will to win and her leadership (albeit flawed). Almost everyone questions Meek Mike.!!!

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I think the biggest problem isn't chemistry, it's the fact that Carruthers is not an elite shooter. Rarely have I seen him outplay the opposing 3rd and he's always good for a bad bad miss in the late ends.

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Mike and Reid seem just as uncomfortable and unnatural in their curling partnership as they did at the beginning a couple of years ago.
Sure, they'll win more than they'll lose - on raw talent only... but when confronted with teams that are their peers, that's when they falter.

They are good friends - and that's fine. But the dynamic between them on the ice when they are challenged by good teams is so awkward and unnatural that it's difficult to watch. Surely some objective observers have mentioned this to them... or perhaps people are afraid to be honest with them.
Designating McEwen as the leader of the team - Skipping, throwing Skip stones, and the team in his name - has not helped at all. There is still no bonafide leader of this team. And it's because they are good friends - they are both afraid of vetoing the other's decisions. This leads to wishy-washy leadership, and the team suffers because of it.

Man, I was writing the same thing 2 years ago - and nothing's changed since then. The team dynamic hasn't improved at all.
It's sad to say, but they were both better on their own than they are together. It's time to cut their losses and abandon ship at the end of this season, for the good of all involved.



Two skips do not make a good team. If you look at Team Howard, you know whose the boss. Yes Scott will try and talk Glenn into some high risk shot but ultimately they respect what Glenn decides. Team Fleury is a bit like Team McEwen with the front end often in the house telling Tracy what to throw. Dangerous. I see this in club play and I see in elite play. A high performance advisor like a Jules Ochwar might be beneficial to Team McEwan but in the end it might be best to go their separate ways.

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If the Koe meteor finally burns out at this year's brier - it might free up BJ Neufeld's return to Manitoba curling - either as an elite 3rd or perhaps beginning a new journey as a skip - perhaps with the comatose but still hi-percentage shooting McEwen as his vice?

Personally, I'm not digging Kevin Koe's grave just yet. He's one of the best and most precise shooters I've seen in my 55+ yrs watching curling from coast to coast, like butter & toast.

I pretty much know the form chart on the Top 5 or 6 Brier contenders - I'm most interested to see how Jason Gunner does. Note: Gunner is the same age as Donnie Duguid when Rod Hunter, Pettapiece & Bryan Wood rescued him from the scrap heap in 1970 and he ended up skipping back to back Brier & World victories!

Gunner is a world class team. Just don't know if Gunner himself can stand up to top guns like Koe, Gushue & Brad Jacobs! Even Brendan Bottcher for that matter . . . .

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Always happy to see a team win their first provincial title. In this instance however, I had noted that McEwen lost the game in the early end when when he opted for a ridiculous , low percentage shot and missed rather than making the simple draw to the button that gunner made on his next shot. Hence, McEwen lost the game more than Gunner winning it which does not auger well for him going to the big dance.

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Two skips do not make a good team. If you look at Team Howard, you know whose the boss. Yes Scott will try and talk Glenn into some high risk shot but ultimately they respect what Glenn decides. Team Fleury is a bit like Team McEwen with the front end often in the house telling Tracy what to throw. Dangerous. I see this in club play and I see in elite play. A high performance advisor like a Jules Ochwar might be beneficial to Team McEwan but in the end it might be best to go their separate ways.



Maybe John Dunn could help; Team Koe has a democratic dynamic that seems to work for them, given their Brier win.

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Always happy to see a team win their first provincial title. In this instance however, I had noted that McEwen lost the game in the early end when when he opted for a ridiculous , low percentage shot and missed rather than making the simple draw to the button that gunner made on his next shot. Hence, McEwen lost the game more than Gunner winning it which does not auger well for him going to the big dance.


I'm totally in agreement with you. It'll be different seeing Gunner a the Brier this year. I don't think he'll do well but its his wish and it has been fulfilled. McEwen made a very foolish shot and I believe this cost him the game. So dejected looking after the game. To come so far then lose. Gotta be a tough pill to swallow.

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The McEwen team didn't look good but I didn't think Gunnlaugson did either. I never get the feeling that this McEwen team really wants him to win. I think he would be much better with 2 or 3 young guys, possibly Wozniak at third or second.

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the thing with mcruthers is that yes, their results are better but the dynamic is still weird. it still feels like this is carruthers, semegalski and hodgson + mcewen. its never felt comfortable from day one. maybe it is, i dont know but on ice the dynamic just seems off.

we only see so much but what im seeing just ..at times its as comfortable as it was watching ben and rachel interact on a team at the continental cup this year.

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58 yr old, OLD GLENNY (Howard) will have to be awful, just awful for Mike McEwen to win the Brier play-in game!

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I think the biggest problem isn't chemistry, it's the fact that Carruthers is not an elite shooter. Rarely have I seen him outplay the opposing 3rd and he's always good for a bad bad miss in the late ends.

^ Not true. Reid is no worse than any of his peers. He was doing quite well in the 2 or 3 years he was Skipping his own team, before Mike came aboard. Before that, he was a quality Second.

The problem is not with the quality or calibre of anyone on the team, it's purely with the dynamic of the team.
When Reid was Skipping (before Mike came along), the dynamic was really good.

This isn't to say that either Reid or Mike are bad guys - not at all. They're both high quality curlers, and probably nice guys. It's just that they don't have a good dynamic when playing together.

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Two skips do not make a good team....


That can sometimes be the case, and sometimes not. Einerson and Sweeting seem to be working well...
The fact is that the majority of the players on the top teams - at every position - were Skips at some point along the way. So they all know and have the Skip mentality/approach within them.

Reid was a Second for a long time - while Mike was Skipping. Then Reid decided to Skip his own team, and brought Mike along when Mike's team broke up.
I honestly believe the problem is their friendship - each is too nice, and is afraid to override the other... and the result is that the team has no leader.

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That can sometimes be the case, and sometimes not. Einerson and Sweeting seem to be working well...
The fact is that the majority of the players on the top teams - at every position - were Skips at some point along the way. So they all know and have the Skip mentality/approach within them.

Reid was a Second for a long time - while Mike was Skipping. Then Reid decided to Skip his own team, and brought Mike along when Mike's team broke up.
I honestly believe the problem is their friendship - each is too nice, and is afraid to override the other... and the result is that the team has no leader.



Wanna really blow that team up? Loan them Benny Hebert for a year!

That - or John Hyrich!

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Personally, I think the problem is that there are too many dominant personalities on the team. Colin and Derek always feel the need to provide input or negative commentary to every shot. Add Reid and Mike's personalities and something needs to change in their team dynamic. They're a good team, but they need a team meeting on how to best communicate with each other. Calling timeouts to discuss at length the placement of guards that would be within a foot of each other and then missing the shot, is not a good look.

The Einarson/Sweeting duo works well because Val is a more shy person and picks her moments as to when to provide her input; which allows Kerri to skip how she wants and feel like she's in control of things.

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^ Not true. Reid is no worse than any of his peers. He was doing quite well in the 2 or 3 years he was Skipping his own team, before Mike came aboard. Before that, he was a quality Second.

The problem is not with the quality or calibre of anyone on the team, it's purely with the dynamic of the team.
When Reid was Skipping (before Mike came along), the dynamic was really good.

This isn't to say that either Reid or Mike are bad guys - not at all. They're both high quality curlers, and probably nice guys. It's just that they don't have a good dynamic when playing together.



Never said he wasn't good, but he is not elite. Even when he was skipping he was good but 2nd tier. McEwen can shoot with anyone, he proved that a few years back when his team was dominant on the cash circuit. Carruthers is just not in the same league as Fry, Nichols, Kennedy, Neufeld or Moulding. I've seen him play plenty of games and while they can put up a 90%+ game he is a 80% guy and his misses are bad misses.

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Never said he wasn't good, but he is not elite. Even when he was skipping he was good but 2nd tier. McEwen can shoot with anyone, he proved that a few years back when his team was dominant on the cash circuit. Carruthers is just not in the same league as Fry, Nichols, Kennedy, Neufeld or Moulding. I've seen him play plenty of games and while they can put up a 90%+ game he is a 80% guy and his misses are bad misses.



moulding is not in the same grooup as neufeld, nichols and fry. i wouldnt even rate moulding in on the same level as carruthers. he misses more than reid does . the only difference is bottcher is one of the best in the game at calling a plan b and getting the most out of mistakes. which he has to do a lot in moulding's case. bottcher makes moulding look a lot better than he is.

i often say bottcher wins in spite of moulding rather than because of him

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Mike and Reid work fine together - derek and colin ( im still trying) add value too

its not easy to get hot for a week in december , then get hot for a week in feb— and meet stoughton, then get hot for a week at brier Andbeat gushue, koe. and jacobs, then get hot for a week in apr at the worlds

Much easier to book a flight and fly to the worlds - where 4 teams can knock canada off in a final - if 2 cdn players miss a shot in the 8th

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I think molding curled 95% sunday

Keep in mind arena ice

Has way more picks
Gets faster in the 5th end after they clean and pebble ?, has 200# male sweepers beating it to death for ten ends - lots of games can hinge on ONE shot

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moulding is not in the same grooup as neufeld, nichols and fry. i wouldnt even rate moulding in on the same level as carruthers. he misses more than reid does . the only difference is bottcher is one of the best in the game at calling a plan b and getting the most out of mistakes. which he has to do a lot in moulding's case. bottcher makes moulding look a lot better than he is.

i often say bottcher wins in spite of moulding rather than because of him


Darren may not be as smooth as the others, and he's not the best of the bunch, but he's a quality thrower who has his place among the elite gang.

His greatest value, though, is his personality. He's so raw and genuine... He's the extrovert on a team of introverts - and it all works excellently.
And Bottcher is mature well beyond his years.

As bad as the dynamic is on the McEwen/Carruthers team, it's just about perfect on the Bottcher team. They have the best dynamic and chemistry of all the elite teams.

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Darren may not be as smooth as the others, and he's not the best of the bunch, but he's a quality thrower who has his place among the elite gang.

His greatest value, though, is his personality. He's so raw and genuine... He's the extrovert on a team of introverts - and it all works excellently.
And Bottcher is mature well beyond his years.

As bad as the dynamic is on the McEwen/Carruthers team, it's just about perfect on the Bottcher team. They have the best dynamic and chemistry of all the elite teams.



100% agree - nothing to add.

However, almost everyone is putting down the McEwen team dynamic as smelly & passive-aggressive, whichever comes first..

Right now, McEwen & mates are mealy-mouthed curlers who are expected to succumb to curlings' grand yoda, Old Glenny during the play-in.

An old saying comes in handy - BEWARE OF INJURED ANIMALS, THEY HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE.

Some of us still remember how the unbeatable team (non K-Mart era) Randy Ferbey was swallowed alive by an avid team of Maritime minnows a couple decades ago in the Brier final.

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Truer words never spoken ML. Should Team Howard's vice and front end not deliver and leave the Grand Yoda circus shots, then Team McEwen could very well beat them...should be a good match.

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