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04-09-19 08:57PM
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If McEwen & Carruthers break up - there could be an opening on one (or both) fragmented squads.

Another possibility = John Morris returns to the scene of the crime - and makes a play for Savvy's front-end services; either in Manitoba or Ontario.

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" Deliverer - one could just as easily imagine Epping talking it over with Laing - and that Laing thought this was the best course of action for his good buddy." nervous-times 04/09/19

Just as Jones was wrong back in 2010 when she sent a messenger to "O", Epping was equally incorrect to allow Laing to become the messenger earlier this week.

While it might have been admirable for Laing to make this offer, he of all people should have known it was not appropriate and Epping, in turn, should have rejected that suggestion immediately. It was Epping's responsibility to make the call and his alone. What he did was inexcusable and that's why he and Laing are taking the heat now.

And it really doesn't matter if you're in the corporate world or the world of sports, downsizing should never be handled by an "old friend" or a "drinking buddy." Period.

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Deliverer,

Would you mind recounting how Jones went about replacing Overton Clapham, please? It was at least 9 years ago and I’m not aware of how that went down.

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I'm in agreement with Deliverer here. Not only is there a proper, classy way to handle this, it's also just bonehead stupid to announce the change when the season is still on and you have an important event left to play for CTRS points in the Olympic Trials hunt.

Seriously, what's to stop Craig Saville from waiting for a crucial moment/game at the Players Championship (just another close shop cashspiel for the rich kids) and when Epping is in the hack just before he throws Saville looks at him, says:

'Hey, why don't you get your new buddy Fry to come sweep this for you?' and then walk off the ice?

Not only would it be karma for Epping but it would be hilarious (BTW, I saw the exact same thing happen in a late season cashspiel many years ago in BC. The player who pulled the stunt got high fives as they walked off the ice and didn't have to buy a drink for the rest of the night).

Bottom line is I appreciate teams want to make changes but there is always a right way to handle things. Just because the stakes are higher doesn't entitle anyone to act like a dick.

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Would Savill walking off the ice and telling Epping to get Fry to sweep his rock be considered acting like a dick?

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Would Savill walking off the ice and telling Epping to get Fry to sweep his rock be considered acting like a dick?


Only to those types of people who think it's okay to behave like a dick and treat teammates with no class and then cry crocodile tears when they get the same type of treatment in return.

It's called karma Jayelle. You reap what you sow.

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I can see both sides here. It's never fun to make a player change on a team, especially the poor bast@rd who is the odd man out. Always worse when someone is replaced vs someone who voluntarily leaves for a different team, although both can leave a sour taste. Seems as though it doesn't rattle the fans nerves as much for the lower rated teams vs the top "slam" teams, even though it's the same affect on both.


Maybe curling needs a trade/firing/leaving deadline date. TSN can broadcast all the changes the day after the last slam..

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Only to those types of people who think it's okay to behave like a dick and treat teammates with no class and then cry crocodile tears when they get the same type of treatment in return.

It's called karma Jayelle. You reap what you sow.



I think Craig Savill is too classy to do what you suggest.

Taking the high road when you’re treated unfairly ( whether he was is subjective) is a better option in my opinion.

Look up the definition of karma.

While it’s fun to express opinions about these teams changes It’s really none of our business how the teams go about it.

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I think Craig Savill is too classy to do what you suggest.

Taking the high road when you’re treated unfairly ( whether he was is subjective) is a better option in my opinion.

Look up the definition of karma.

While it’s fun to express opinions about these teams changes It’s really none of our business how the teams go about it.



Gee thanks for the advice but I'm well aware of what karma means.

And let me offer one in return: learn to read. I never suggested Saville walk off the ice nor urged him to do so. I actually posed a simple question for which the answer was pretty obvious: Saville won't because he has more class than Epping.

As for 'none of our business' remember that these teams/individuals have chosen to live in the public eye to reap fame and fortune. If you choose, like Epping, to publicly announce the firing of a player and then it comes to light you handled it badly, it will be discussed and judged by the very public you court with your team pages and various social media accounts. So if you don't want this kind of discussion and potential criticism then either ; a) don't blab about it, and b) do it properly.

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I can see both sides here. It's never fun to make a player change on a team, especially the poor bast@rd who is the odd man out. Always worse when someone is replaced vs someone who voluntarily leaves for a different team, although both can leave a sour taste. Seems as though it doesn't rattle the fans nerves as much for the lower rated teams vs the top "slam" teams, even though it's the same affect on both.


Maybe curling needs a trade/firing/leaving deadline date. TSN can broadcast all the changes the day after the last slam..



I would disagree. There's lots of noise and gossiping done when non-slam competitive teams make changes it's just not done on line or by talking-head sports announcers. It happens, so to speak, in the small world not the big world.

But just like in the real world there is a right way and a wrong way to handle this. Part of the role of skip is to handle this particular aspect of the position and to do so properly.

Epping, like the Jones/Overton fiasco a few years ago, did not and now gets some heat for it. Not as much as Jones did but heat nonetheless,

People forget that Craig Saville know loses out on benefits the team will have next season which come as a direct result from his efforts. True, he has an opportunity to join another team but that doesn't always pan out does it?

We also forget that curling is one of the few team sports with professional aspirations where players are not protected by contracts. Cut a player, put them on waivers etc, there is always financial compensation for athletes in other pro team sports when these things happen.

Teams should have the right to make changes in an effort to improve the end result.

However, the individual athlete impacted by that move should also have rights. If an employer can terminate you but has to provide you with rightful compensation as mandated by provincial or federal labor laws, then why should a curling team-when pro sports even recognize this-be any different?

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Why is the commentariat so upset about the way in which team changes take place, when the actual people involved aren't?

This wasn't a "I found out from Twitter I was traded" situation. Savill is upset at the situation, not the process (who told him first) that created the situation. In his Stone and Straw interview, Savill talked about being excited for making a four-year run with the team. That's not going to happen. I'd be upset, too.

Further, why do we romanticize the role of the skip as the all powerful member of a team? The skip need not be the leader of every team, and certainly not the "boss" of the team when it comes to off-ice decisions. It's like saying a good teacher makes a good principal, a good employee makes a good boss, etc. Just because you call a good game and can throw the pressure shots does not make you best suited to manage team affairs. Let's evolve the model a bit.

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Gee thanks for the advice but I'm well aware of what karma means.

And let me offer one in return: learn to read. I never suggested Saville walk off the ice nor urged him to do so. I actually posed a simple question for which the answer was pretty obvious: Saville won't because he has more class than Epping.

As for 'none of our business' remember that these teams/individuals have chosen to live in the public eye to reap fame and fortune. If you choose, like Epping, to publicly announce the firing of a player and then it comes to light you handled it badly, it will be discussed and judged by the very public you court with your team pages and various social media accounts. So if you don't want this kind of discussion and potential criticism then either ; a) don't blab about it, and b) do it properly.



You seem nice.😄

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Why is the commentariat so upset about the way in which team changes take place, when the actual people involved aren't?

This wasn't a "I found out from Twitter I was traded" situation. Savill is upset at the situation, not the process (who told him first) that created the situation. In his Stone and Straw interview, Savill talked about being excited for making a four-year run with the team. That's not going to happen. I'd be upset, too.

Further, why do we romanticize the role of the skip as the all powerful member of a team? The skip need not be the leader of every team, and certainly not the "boss" of the team when it comes to off-ice decisions. It's like saying a good teacher makes a good principal, a good employee makes a good boss, etc. Just because you call a good game and can throw the pressure shots does not make you best suited to manage team affairs. Let's evolve the model a bit.



I agree.

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You seem nice.😄



Oh silly me. I failed to recognize that you're one of those 'one set of rules for me, another for you ' folks who thinks it's okay to tell someone they're incorrect in their usage of the word karma but you can't be told the same thing that you don't know how to read a sentence.

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Deliverer,

Would you mind recounting how Jones went about replacing Overton Clapham, please? It was at least 9 years ago and I’m not aware of how that went down.



This incident, which occurred at the end of the 2009-10 curling season, made and still makes ALL other curling dismissals appear insignificant by comparison.

The three rags in Winnipeg covered it in detail including Cathy O's subsequent retribution at the PEI Scotties.

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Jones took the heat, kept her mouth shut, while Cathy went to the papers. But, I wonder if anyone thinks that maybe the other two players on the team (Jill and Dawn) had the biggest contribution to this? There is more then Jen on a team and she did what would make her other two teammates happy.

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I don’t know the specifics of the Jones Overton Clapham team change so can’t comment.

There’s usually three sides to every story...yours, mine and the truth.

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Jones has gone thru a ton of players in her storied curling career.

With Connie Laliberte's ex-3rd, Cathy O she achieved gold at the Scotties. However, after playing for a few years it was obvious Jones and Overton-Clapham were very uncomfortable playing with each other; jones was especially uncomfortable w/ Overton.

Might have been better to pack up her curling gear bag and hand it to her prior to any game and send her home than the way they ended up doing it. Jones had never had to cut a significant player - usually leads and ineffective 3rds - so she really had no idea how to conduct the execution. She just knew she had to do something in order to continue curling.

Obviously a very young Kaitlyn Lawes had caught the eye of just about everyone involved in Manitoba curling - and Jones didn't want to risk being unable to land her. Regardless of the animus involved - its worked out rather well for Jones, Lawes, Officer & McEwen, hasn't it?

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Jacobs & Co., including Fry, crushed Epping 6 - 0 in four ends this morning.

Bet that has Fry rethinking his outlook for the 2019 -20 season!

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Jacobs & Co., including Fry, crushed Epping 6 - 0 in four ends this morning.

Bet that has Fry rethinking his outlook for the 2019 -20 season!



Or Fry thinking "Good thing this team has me next season, maybe I'll skip..."

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I saw this on the end of Eve Muirhead's column for "The Courier." There's been a change in British curling that now gives the organisation the power to actually form the teams, starting next season. So we may see some changes in familiar lineups coming from there.

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jacobs loss epping gain

In the interview yesterday Fry sure seemed to be on the edge of emotional.
Remind me, did he get dumped from team Gushue for Gallant back in 2012? Then Fry went on to the Worlds in 2013 and Olympics in 2014. I have a visual after the '13 Briar of Gushue hanging his head sitting in the stands, after Fry and Team Jacobs won. Looking very dejected. Thinking what have I done?

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When the teams make changes, does anyone know the CC rules for points retained and or transferred? I "thought" if you have 3 of your 4 original players you keep all your points. Is this true or do lose 1/4 of your points and add the points for the incoming player? Does anyone have the factual answer as opposed to conjecture? I've searched CC website....zip.




Does ANYONE have the correct answer for this?

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Does ANYONE have the correct answer for this?





not sure the true answer is in here, but a quick google and I got this:

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