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02-12-21 03:04PM
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TSN coverage

On a scale of 1-10 how would you rate TSN's curling coverage?
Every year I hope they have stepped into the 21st century and every year I see the same old same old.
Look at the coverage of bowling, the analytics are fantastic and they make a simple, fairly boring game much more interesting. They have release point, ball speed, rotation speed and measure the curvature. All of these could be applied to curling. Instead of talking about how a 4 rotation rock curls more than one that rotates 7 times they could show it. Instead of talking about how Homan's rock runs differently than Jones's they could show it.
But they don't. They make a lot of money on their curling, you would think they would want to grow their audience as the one they have isn't exactly skewing younger. They seem happy doing the same show they did in 1995 and Vic playing the doofus was stale even then.
Now maybe I'm just a get off of my lawn crackpot so I'd like to hear some other opinions. I'd give their coverage a 5-6 out of 10.

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The fact they actually show a game every draw, I give them 10/10. However, I do agree that Vic's buffoonery grew old MANY years ago. I liked it a few years back, sometimes, usually the night draw, they'd have 2 different games on different channels. I think David Nedohin did a great job alongside Bryan Mudryk.

Overall I'd still give them 9/10 because these days, any coverage is good coverage.

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The fact they actually show a game every draw, I give them 10/10. However, I do agree that Vic's buffoonery grew old MANY years ago. I liked it a few years back, sometimes, usually the night draw, they'd have 2 different games on different channels. I think David Nedohin did a great job alongside Bryan Mudryk.

Overall I'd still give them 9/10 because these days, any coverage is good coverage.



I agree, they show all the games they can, long days for them.

Much better than none at all or when CBC used to take over for the finals.

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I must say really like Mike Harris and Kevin Martin on Sportsnet , but not Rob Faulds. I agree that Vic's routine is getting old. I actually don't mind Russ and Cheryl but would like them honestly say when teams make a bad call. I'm not a fan of Mudryk. If I had a choice on one TSN feed, forget the announcers and let me listen to all the players, even when their team isn't throwing.

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I don't see TSN extending Vic Rauter more than another 2 or 3 years. His act is drying up rapidly - and you can't unleash him as a curling expert. Because he isn't.

Cheryl is point perfect but perfectly bland. Really nice person but no excitement or hard analysis.

Faulds & Vic are basically 2 of the same. Faulds has a multi-sport announcing background, couple Olympics under his belt.

TSN has been unable to replace legendary Moose Turnbull.

Wouldn't mind TSN pirating K-Mart over to the Bell brand. Russ may have up to 5 yrs left before they stop paying him.

Mudryk is just a cheap and versatile worker. Doesn't add much to the game other than 'being there'.

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I wont rate using numbers but i will give my individual opinion:

cathy gauthier doesnt get much love here but i find her to be the most tolerable of the group. she does tend to talk a lot but at least its always about curling and the current match and she's not constantly tongue bathing the top teams like the other 3

brian - i just dont like him

russ - i have lost a lot of respect for rus since he started commen tating. he gets names wrong a lot. he constantly goes into gol analogies which dont line up a fair number of times. and the worst part of the double standard he has for top teams and lower ranked team. ednlessly heaping praise on , lets say rachel homan for example . ranting about her even when she's not even the feature match.

cheryl - she's disappointing. she has no voice of her own. most of her commentary is just trying to fit in with the boys and going along with what they say. that might have been understandable year one but not anymore. i really miss l,inda. she had her own opinion and she wasnt afraid to put rus and vic in their place

vic- just annoying. someone really needs to tell him that adding "no offense" before making an offensive statement doesnt mnean its no longer offensive. and he does that a lot. on top of that he gets team names and members wrong a lot, calls the score wrong. i dont know whats going on, if hes not paying attention fully but you can count on him to make a mistake a good half a dozen times during any game

overall they're just not that good. when linda and ray were around they were fantastic . i had no complaints. im kind of wishing they'd find a way to poach kevin or mike away from sportsnet and replace russ with them.

as a network i appreciate the coverage. i do ish we could get more. like..all of the canadian juniors, not just the semis and final and i wish theyd cover more than just canadas games at worlds.id also like it if they could broadcast world juniors. that being said i understand the money may not be there to do that

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I wont rate using numbers but i will give my individual opinion:

cathy gauthier doesnt get much love here but i find her to be the most tolerable of the group. she does tend to talk a lot but at least its always about curling and the current match and she's not constantly tongue bathing the top teams like the other 3

brian - i just dont like him

russ - i have lost a lot of respect for rus since he started commen tating. he gets names wrong a lot. he constantly goes into gol analogies which dont line up a fair number of times. and the worst part of the double standard he has for top teams and lower ranked team. ednlessly heaping praise on , lets say rachel homan for example . ranting about her even when she's not even the feature match.

cheryl - she's disappointing. she has no voice of her own. most of her commentary is just trying to fit in with the boys and going along with what they say. that might have been understandable year one but not anymore. i really miss l,inda. she had her own opinion and she wasnt afraid to put rus and vic in their place

vic- just annoying. someone really needs to tell him that adding "no offense" before making an offensive statement doesnt mnean its no longer offensive. and he does that a lot. on top of that he gets team names and members wrong a lot, calls the score wrong. i dont know whats going on, if hes not paying attention fully but you can count on him to make a mistake a good half a dozen times during any game

overall they're just not that good. when linda and ray were around they were fantastic . i had no complaints. im kind of wishing they'd find a way to poach kevin or mike away from sportsnet and replace russ with them.

as a network i appreciate the coverage. i do ish we could get more. like..all of the canadian juniors, not just the semis and final and i wish theyd cover more than just canadas games at worlds.id also like it if they could broadcast world juniors. that being said i understand the money may not be there to do that



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overall they're just not that good. when linda and ray were around they were fantastic . i had no complaints. im kind of wishing they'd find a way to poach kevin or mike away from sportsnet and replace russ with them.




Totally agree.
Russ is all about the top few teams and the back ends only.
Cheryl is mostly empty advice. Teams "have to have a plan", they "need to focus on their strengths" and sometimes "dig deep".
I also think Cathy is underutilized. She knows a lot of details about the players and having been a front end player she has perspective on that part of the game.
I would actually like to see an announcing team of Cathy in Vic's host role with Martin and Harris as analysts.

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Curling coverage was pretty much exempt from recent TSN/Bell layoffs & firings.

Long-time TSN voices Natasha Stanashewzki & Brett Wallace were let go while rounders like Mudryk, Rod Black, etc. were kept around.

Main reason - guys like Mudryk & Black are versatile rounders. They don't know much about sports, and their presentations lacks gravitas but because they can easily be shuffled around they were kept in play. Mudryk is a less offensive and younger version of Black. Black (60), Mudryk (42).

The TSN Curling team of Rauter, Howard, Bernard, Gauthier are basically contract players who surface only when curling is presented. They're all taking a financial hit this year because the events are restricted due to covid19.

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So read each post

Every poster has a few favorites and a few they dont favor

You posters are pretty well curlng famatics - have likely curled and most are knowledgeable

- you are in a group that represents 1% of the viewing audience - 10,000 viewers , likely seniors

Thinking women = 75% of viewers

Different personalities favor different commentators

THESE COMMENTATORS have rules to follow
- pretty basic stuff - dont criticize too much or you get fired - same as any sport

Nfl , cfl , nba, baseball ( houston cheated their way to a world series - on air commentators were seldom critical)

Its all about money
DONT SPOIL WHOSE PAYING U

I LIKE VIC BEST

also martin , howard and the new guys

My wife - likes everyone - will watch every single game - also huge jets fan and watches every single game - huge cheer when jets got empty netter against ottawa to make it 5-1

The networks choose people that will appeal to 90% of the viewing audience who are much more appreciative and pay $15 m during 2020 watching a few slam reruns - than the the 100 posters on here - who would not last 2 ends as commentators

Btw im like u - very selective and actually only watch - shot by shot - about ten mens teams when they play each other - of which its hard to find a team i hope for based on personalities

This has been spoiled for me by the inbreeding - liked it better when teams stuck together -

I could make 10 teams from the top 12 that i would cheer for - lol

I doubt that any poster would say what they post if they had to use their name - maybe nelski

I did a few times and that didnt work out - one creep thought my name couldnt be real ...

Should be about a month of enjoyable tv and then we can go for a walk

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I’m going to post here with my American hat firmly in my head. You don’t know how lucky you are to have the TSN crew you’ve got. Compared to any American coverage I’ve ever seen, or heck any coverage from other countries too, the TSN commentators and crew are light years ahead of all of them. And were I a Canadian, I would call Vic a national treasure.

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I must say really like Mike Harris and Kevin Martin on Sportsnet , but not Rob Faulds. I agree that Vic's routine is getting old. I actually don't mind Russ and Cheryl but would like them honestly say when teams make a bad call. I'm not a fan of Mudryk. If I had a choice on one TSN feed, forget the announcers and let me listen to all the players, even when their team isn't throwing.





I DO like the idea of being able to listen to the players talk through the shots, even during the shots. Biggest problem is that announcers are fighting over each other's voices so that "they can be heard, listen to me". Love to see TSN go back to 2 draws at the same time, one with the constant verbal diarrhea, one with just the players. Curious to see which gets the better reception and ratings.

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I have no issues with the TSN or Sportsnet coverage - I'm just happy that they cover curling and that we get as many games on TV as we do.

I would not like it if they started to get into all kinds of silly statistical analytics - that would help to ruin the game for me.

I'd like to see TSN (or Sportsnet) get Guy Hemmings away from RDS. I doubt that would happen, as there aren't really any other French speaking curlers who could be commentators (unless Menard wants to take a shot at it).
Hemmings talks far too much during games on RDS (I suppose he feels he has to carry the show), so if he ever switched over to an English broadcast, they'd have to muzzle him somewhat.
But he knows the game, and he's a funny guy - so he'd be enjoyable to have there.

I also think the Wrench would be a blast as a commentator. Someone should try to convince him.

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I have no issues with the TSN or Sportsnet coverage - I'm just happy that they cover curling and that we get as many games on TV as we do.

I would not like it if they started to get into all kinds of silly statistical analytics - that would help to ruin the game for me.

I'd like to see TSN (or Sportsnet) get Guy Hemmings away from RDS. I doubt that would happen, as there aren't really any other French speaking curlers who could be commentators (unless Menard wants to take a shot at it).
Hemmings talks far too much during games on RDS (I suppose he feels he has to carry the show), so if he ever switched over to an English broadcast, they'd have to muzzle him somewhat.
But he knows the game, and he's a funny guy - so he'd be enjoyable to have there.

I also think the Wrench would be a blast as a commentator. Someone should try to convince him.



Agree - both about Hemmings and Werenich.
Hemmings preaches to a very small slice of Quebecois curling fans so he'd expand his dimension immediately; he should give it a try!
Werenich is nearing 74, but he's full of piss & vinegar. Don't know if a 2 or 3 year contract would coax him out of retirement. TSN tall foreheads might be terribly fearful of what The Wrench might say when he gets bored. Thats a stopper.
Others who might be good at color:
- Jon Mead
- Jeff Stoughton
- Jill Officer
- Jennifer Jones
- David Nedohin
- Michelle Englot

Almost all of them worth at least one event trial run.

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ann swisshelm , i think does a good job for the american broadcasters. again, maybe talks a little much but she knows what she\s talking about and i think overall she does a good job

steph lewdrew also did a fantastic job for the canadian juniors a while ago. if she ever decided she wanted to do it full time she'd be a great addition. smart and didnt talk over the curlers. also very good job explaining strategy for the fans at home

i think what i appreciate about mike and kevin on sportsnet is that they arent afraid to call out even the top teams on their strategy. their analysis is also 2nd to none. the ideal broadcasting crew for me would be:

kevin martin
mike harris
steph lewdrew
cathy gauthier

never happen but i think that would be a great crew

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There is an English or Scottish woman who does the games in Europe who I quite like. Way way less talk. She lets the action speak for itself, when players are pounding a rock I don't need to hear "will it get by, will it get by, WILL IT GET BY?". She also doesn't talk over the player's discussions which TSN does constantly.

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Rhona Martin?

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Just for fun

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There is an English or Scottish woman who does the games in Europe who I quite like. Way way less talk. She lets the action speak for itself, when players are pounding a rock I don't need to hear "will it get by, will it get by, WILL IT GET BY?". She also doesn't talk over the player's discussions which TSN does constantly.


yeah, thats rhona Howie(formerly Rhona Martin)

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First off I try to support the local sponsors that sponsor the teams here.

Off hand I buy Tim Horton's
Scotties TP and paper towels
Oxford blue berries
Home hardware
Pinty's when they're on sale

So far no need for farm equipment or fertilizers
There are no Humpty's or Mr Mikes steakhouses here

I'm sure I'm missing some.

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i have actually never tried pinty's. i have to watc h my sodium intake now so i cant but im curious what its like. is the food good?

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I've had their wings and I will admit they are better than most all of the other frozen wings out there. However, at times they can cost up to 50% more than say President's Choice or Sobeys brands. They would be similar to M and M wings. Good, but pricey.

Not sure about the salt but they do taste good.

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First off I try to support the local sponsors that sponsor the teams here.

Off hand I buy Tim Horton's
Scotties TP and paper towels
Oxford blue berries
Home hardware
Pinty's when they're on sale

So far no need for farm equipment or fertilizers
There are no Humpty's or Mr Mikes steakhouses here

I'm sure I'm missing some.



My Mr. Mikes recently closed in Lindenwoods/Winnipeg. It was OK if you like unruly 15 yr old kids cooking your steak!

Timmys is a regular weekly trip. Should put Home Hardware on the list next time I need weird stuff.

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Mike Harris is by far the worst curling commentator on any channel. You can just feel Kevin Martin rolling his eyes whn Mike speaks.

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