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09-10-19 08:17PM
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Shorty Jenkins Classic?

Will there be any live stream or will the footage be solely shown on Cogeco? Unfortunately I have Bell, seems shortsighted to have such a great field only being shown on YourTV, if this is the case.

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Who is playing for Joanne Courtney?

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Lindsay Dubue is filling in for Jo

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What's all this curling talk? I came here for phony passport!!!!!
Need 4 for Antarctica so my team can qualify for Olympics.

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Wow Scott McDonald looks to be struggling...another loss this morning. Let's hope is just early season rust.

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Yea a number of Canadian (and American) teams are struggling but so early in the season, I'll put it down to early season rust.

Is it just me/the angle/me looking too much into it or does Koe look owchy in the leg/hip/knee here?

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Yea a number of Canadian (and American) teams are struggling but so early in the season, I'll put it down to early season rust.

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But as usual after 4 games in both the mens/womens draw the cream has started to rise. Only 1 real dark horse in the top 8 men and 2 in the top 8 women.

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The Gushue/Koe game on Saturday night was interesting in the manner in which it ended...
Extra end, Koe with Hammer. The only rock in the House is an unguarded Gushue rock in the back/side 8 foot. Gushue Hogs his first rock. Koe takes Gushue’s back/side 8 foot rock out, and shooter rolls out.
House is empty. Gushue wants to put his last rock on the T-Line, 8 foot. He comes up a foot and a half short of the House.
Koe has an open draw - with only the one guard - for the win. Hebert and Flasch start pounding it about 7 feet before the Hog Line. The two of them pounding all the rest of the way... got it to bite about 3 inches of the top 12.

During that extra end, several other games had finished, and the sheets were empty except for one sheet 3 sheets away from Koe/Gushue. Ice slowed. Skips didn’t adapt. Almost blanked the extra end!

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That would have been an interesting match to watch indeed! Johnathan Brazeau mentioned Kev fired a bullet and sent a rock flying two sheets across!

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Fleury & Co. would be the last team in the world to complain but there's no way they failed to notice that once having qualified for the Playoffs they would have to defeat both Tirinzoni ( ranked # 1) and then Homan ( ranked # 3)* just to reach the final game.

On the other hand, at the bottom half of the draw, Jones had to defeat Yoshimura ( ranked # 12) and Gim ( ranked # 30) in order to qualify.

Does this look "fair and balanced" to you? I believe the Drawmaster could not have made it more flawed if s(he ) wanted to!

Any Drawmaster should have been aware that the prime objective is make it possible for the two top seeds Not to meet before the final game.** But this person chose to do exactly the opposite by ensuring the two top seeds could not possibly meet in the final game.

* Homan , #3, should have been positioned on the Bottom rung of the Bottom half of this draw.

** Can you imagine in tennis, for example, the consequences of scheduling Nadal & Fed. or Serena & Bianca to meet in say the Fourth Round ?

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The pools are set up according to ranking. The playoffs are set up according to how you do in the pools. Pretty easily understood.

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Besides, this early in the season you have no current season record - only last year's results.

JJ is usually very spotty, regardless of opponent in early season match-ups.

In fact, one can say - even Jen herself might say to her teammates - "lets make sure we don't peak to early, guys"

That said, going thru an early season tourney like this undefeated is pretty much a tour de force. One that Jones comes up with every so often.

Kudos to Fleury for making it thru a tough slog to get to Jones.

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"The playoffs are set up according to how you do in the pools."

They are?

Four of the teams in the Shorty Jenkins' Playoff won their Pool with 4-0 records while each of the other teams won their Pool with identical 3-1 records.

So how come, guido, all the teams with identical W-L records were simply not placed in the same half of the draw?

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Good question.

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playoff seeding

At first glance each side of the playoff pools had 2 teams 4-0 and 2 teams 3-1, seems pretty even.
The only way to make it absolutely fair would be to seed all 4 teams 4-0 one to four based on dtb scores and the 4 teams at 3-1 5-8th
Then set the pools with the top half 1vs 8 and 4 vs 5
Bottom half 2 vs 7 3vs 6
Play on

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Bang-On, IN-OFF !

Too bad you were not in Cornwall last week to help those folks when they needed it most.

I agree with your suggestion how the playoff draw should have been designed to help ensure fairness and balance.

We differ only in that I had (3 vs 6 ) in the top half and ( 4 vs 5 ) in the bottom half, but I don't consider that significant.

What's really key, of course, is that #1 and #2 should be kept as far apart as possible for as long as possible,( and the same with #3 and #4), because this helps to ensure most of the top teams will survive deep into the bonspiel. "In the end, without proper seeding, many of the superteams will be left on the sidelines and most of the SF's and Finals will become lopsided affairs."

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The Shorty playoffs were seeded like every other event is.

1v8
4v5
2v7
3v6

That sets up semifinals where 1v4 and 2v3 face each other if favourites win.

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"That sets up semifinals where 1v4 and 2v3 face each other if favorites win."

Thank you Captain Obvious, lol

If the Shorty Jenkins had used the W-L records of the eight teams and had factored in the OOM's ( week 7 ), and then applied the formula you stated was used, the playoff draw would have been as follows:

1) Tirinzoni vs 8) Galusha
4) M'H vs 5) Fleury

2) Homan vs 7) Gim
3) Jones vs 6) Yoshimura

However, that's not what happened. The OOM's were not factored into their decision as to where each of the teams would be positioned. As a result it was somehow determined that the draw should be as follows:

Tirinzoni ( 4-0) vs Fleury (3-1)
Homan ( 4-0) vs Galusha (3-1)
Jones (4-0) vs Yoshimura 3-1)
M'H (4-0) vs Gim (3-1)

The essential question here is how was it decided which team should occupy each of the eight positions, and what criteria was used to create such a lopsided, unmatched draw. If it was not possible to accurately assess which team belonged in which playoff position, what in the hell is the rationale for having a predetermined formula to position them?

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I don't think the weekly spiels should base their playoff seedings based on the previous week's OOM. I think it makes more sense to base it on THAT week's performance only, based on the teams' performance against their peers that week only. What a team did almost 2 years ago with the rolling OOM points should have no bearing on the playoffs in any one particular week going forward. IMO. An example would be say Team Koe goes 3-2 but Team Howard goes 5-0. Based on OOM why should Koe be ranked higher in the playoffs for that event than Howard? I just think each week and each event should be based on that week's stats only.

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The essential question here is how was it decided which team should occupy each of the eight positions, and what criteria was used to create such a lopsided, unmatched draw. If it was not possible to accurately assess which team belonged in which playoff position, what in the hell is the rationale for having a predetermined formula to position them?


Win-Loss Record, then shootout score seeds the teams.

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"Say Team Koe goes 3-2 but Team Howard goes 5-0. Based on OOM why should Koe be ranked higher in the playoff for that event than Howard"?

Guess I didn't explain that very well. I believe the W-L record must always take priority and OOM's should never be taken into consideration unless the W-L records are identical.

So, in your example, Koe would not be ranked higher than Howard in the playoff. In fact he would automatically be ranked lower than any team which won more than three games. And if by chance there were eight teams with records of 4-1 or better, Koe and Co. would be on the first stagecoach to Alberta!

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"Win-Loss Record, then shootout score seeds the teams" still raises the questions as to what criteria was used to decide which teams would play in Shootout # 1, #2, #3 and #4 and how the results of those shootouts were used to determine exactly where each of the eight teams would be positioned.

Using the Shorty Jenkins as an example, an explanation would be appreciated.

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"Win-Loss Record, then shootout score seeds the teams" still raises the questions as to what criteria was used to decide which teams would play in Shootout # 1, #2, #3 and #4 and how the results of those shootouts were used to determine exactly where each of the eight teams would be positioned.

Using the Shorty Jenkins as an example, an explanation would be appreciated.



I am assuming "shootout" is a DSC ranking. If so, What is the confusion? What happened last week or last year has no bearing on the situation. After initial pool seeding all pertinent seeding and records are what happened that event.

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My question, or "confusion" as you put it, boils down to what were the shootout or DSG/LSD results in the Shorty Jenkins, and how were those results used to position or seed each of the teams in the playoffs.

Hopefully that's clear enough to enable you to fill in the blanks in five minutes or less. If not, no worries, Sport.

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I'm curious. Is there, or should there be a set standard for all WCT events so that all teams at all events are playing with the same set of rules regarding seeding, both the pools or triple knockout seeding, and the playoffs? Edited here, Also the pregame draw the button routine, including coin flip, choice of colour or last practice, AND how to do the draw the button for hammer and later include these measurements for tie breakers. Whether it be Latvia or Kalamazoo. Same standards for all. It's purely evident with some of the spiels I've attended there is not.
Perhaps post the official guideline to hosting here and on the WCT site and ensure it's followed to the letter. Fair for all is fair.

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Draw: SF -- Sun, Nov 17 -- 2:00pm ET
Manson Final
Lozinsky (8)
Manson Final
Lozinsky (8)
: Sherwood Park U21 Junior Womens Bonspiel
Sherwood Park, AB
Teams | Scores | Standings | Playoffs
Draw: SF -- Sun, Nov 17 -- 12:00pm MT
Cinnamon Final
Hartwell (5)
Wytrychowski Final
Bain (8)
Bakker Final
Lepine (8)
Vincent Final
Crough (7)
Cinnamon Final
Hartwell (5)
Wytrychowski Final
Bain (8)
: Sherwood Park U15 Junior Bonspiel
Sherwood Park, AB
Teams | Scores | Standings | Playoffs
Draw: SF -- Sun, Nov 17 -- 12:00pm MT
Davies 6th
Nedohin
Yamuch Final
Sawiak (6)
C: Euro Super League: Sweden
Jonkoping, SWE
Teams | Scores | Standings | Playoffs
Draw: 1 -- Sat, Nov 16 -- 9:30am CET
Petersson-Dahl  
Stordahl  
Smirnov  
Nibloe  
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USA's Roth wins Uiseong International Curling Cup

USA's Roth wins Uiseong International Curling Cup

In dramatic fashion, Roth scored a 5-4 win against Eun-jung Kim in an extra end to capture their first tour title since winning the Canad Inns Classic in October 2017.

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