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07-07-20 01:58PM
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Return to curling guidelines

CC has released this 29 page document https://www.curling.ca/files/2020/0...Play_CAN_EN.pdf

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Re: Return to curling guidelines

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CC has released this 29 page document https://www.curling.ca/files/2020/0...Play_CAN_EN.pdf


This may effect two players the most. Two elite players.

Joanne Courtney & Benjamin Hebert

Both are notorious on-ice jitterbugs, Courtney always makes her way to the rings as a sort of 3rd voice and timing mechanism if Rachel & Emma take more than 15 seconds on any particular shot. She's also seen recklessly running up and down the ice, crossing the ice on occasion when the game is in progress, particularly when the other team's shooting or deliberating.

Everyone knows what Hebert is like.

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Re: Re: Return to curling guidelines

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This may effect two players the most. Two elite players.

Joanne Courtney & Benjamin Hebert

Both are notorious on-ice jitterbugs, Courtney always makes her way to the rings as a sort of 3rd voice and timing mechanism if Rachel & Emma take more than 15 seconds on any particular shot. She's also seen recklessly running up and down the ice, crossing the ice on occasion when the game is in progress, particularly when the other team's shooting or deliberating.

Everyone knows what Hebert is like.



Then they will both have to learn to adjust...

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I gave bell mts 4 months to adjust

They did nothing but show reruns of everything

Cut back to basic , canceled tsn rsn cnn and dont watch anything

So sick of covid , trump, and complaining minorities news ???

Also suspended free press before they take it off respirator

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What jumped out to me about the new guidelines is the possible advantage provided to teams which may have one or more truly outstanding sweepers.

Using Bottcher's team as an example, I can see Thiessen or Martin, after sweeping each other's rocks each being assigned to the remaining rocks from Moulding and Bottcher on a more or less ad hoc basis depending on the circumstances. In other words, Moulding's sweeping days are prolly over.

On the women's side, not that Wilkes is anything less than an excellent sweeper herself, I anticipate that Courtney, perhaps the best in Canada, will sweep one of Wilkes' stones, one of Miskew's stones and definitely both of Homan's stones, every end. Will following this strategy of having her next to the rock as much as possible pay dividends? You betcha!

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I agree about brusher utilization theory espoused by Deliverer.
Moulding's days as a brush-man are indeed over. In a couple years, maybe 3 he will morph from 3rd to coach as Team Bottcher adjusts to a younger lineup.

As far as Courtney is concerned, completely agree.

The most powerful women in Canadian curling is a fairly short list:

1. Jill Officer (retired)
2. Courtney (active)
3. Shannon Birchard (active)
4. Sarah Wilkes
5. Emma Miskew (only 3rd)
6. B. Meilleur

Officer, who's now 45 and semi-retired was the Queen of both brushing & strength.

Courtney is now the new Queen of the Stone Age - a reliable if not often spectacular shooter who may be the only lady in the women's game on a physical par with Sarah Wilkes. Courtney's technique and getting her entire 145/150 lbs. into the ice gives her the advantage over her now teammate Wilkes.
I like the idea of Courtney brushing 1 of Wilkes' rocks and 1 by Miskew then being deployed to brush both Homan stones. Homan really trusts Courtney's power & judgement so thats a no-brainer. The alternation changes if Team Homan is up big as they'll give the equally powerful Wilkes more repetition. The only thing that is yet to be seen by Courtney working solo is communication - because she was so focused on being a micro-second away from putting her brush down and going to work, the task of calling time, line & feel usually went to Li Weagle. Now, Joanne will have to do it alone. Thats not easy and will require some adjustment.

Birchard & Meilleur will be deployed similarly w/ Einarson; Birchard obviously the physically stronger and better-techniqued brusher of the 2 Manitobans, so she could draw the assignment of brushing both skip stones.
Team Einarson is not quite as disciplined and rigid as Team Homan so I can see Meilleur getting licks in brushing for Skip Einarson on occasion, definitely first half of games.

Jennifer Jones approach will be more scattered as she now has 3 good brushers to rotate into her 5-woman lineup.
Peterman, Dawn & Weagle will need time to find their rhythm and which brusher is better solo in various circumstances. Weagle was cut from Team Homan because she is now approaching 40 and was the physically weakest member of her former team. But I think she's as good a brush as either the younger Peterman or the slightly older McEwen. Jones may even make decisions on the fly within games.

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One sweeper

Maybe this is more of a club curling thought but...wouldn't teams prefer to have the one sweeper on the in turn side of the rock? Do the top sweepers have a stronger side?

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Re: One sweeper

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Maybe this is more of a club curling thought but...wouldn't teams prefer to have the one sweeper on the in turn side of the rock? Do the top sweepers have a stronger side?


Most pro brushers have a strong side. Occasionally they'll cross over when a desperate situation evolves and they need 3 people to drag a rock as far as they can.

Strong side defined by which is there dominant arm.

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My concern would be how many clubs will be able to open. It costs the same to have a 6 sheet club as it does to have 1/2 at 3 sheet club to operate. If members are used to 3 nights and 2=3 days a week, will they sign up and pay for 1/2 the time? Will smaller clubs even open? Maybe the govt can offer a 1 or even 2 year deal where memberships are tax deductible like donation to Lions club or rotary Club etc.. Invest in the community.

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My concern would be how many clubs will be able to open. It costs the same to have a 6 sheet club as it does to have 1/2 at 3 sheet club to operate. If members are used to 3 nights and 2=3 days a week, will they sign up and pay for 1/2 the time? Will smaller clubs even open? Maybe the govt can offer a 1 or even 2 year deal where memberships are tax deductible like donation to Lions club or rotary Club etc.. Invest in the community.


Good points. We lost 25% of our dues this year. I can see people not joining if games are only 6 ends and you only sweep 1/2 the time. Tough decisions for any board of directors.

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Good points. We lost 25% of our dues this year. I can see people not joining if games are only 6 ends and you only sweep 1/2 the time. Tough decisions for any board of directors.



We are in uncharted territory folks. Perhaps our curling leadership should reach out on a paid basis to Dr. Anthony Fauci who's been sidelined for from President Scump's Covid Task Force - for telling the truth.

Guidelines on spacing, sheet usage, social distancing in locker room, viewing area, bar, cafe, etc.

But this one is out of my hands. Right now its in the clubs hands - they know what the govt. is putting out; I'm sure the vast majority of clubs won't try to jeopardize members & guests.

I do like the idea of making curling club memberships & additional fees tax deductible. Good, NO, GREAT IDEA.

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I've had a few good ideas over the years. Just ask me.
My wife.... Says not so many......Aaah used to it. Contact minister of sport, local mp''s ,local mla's put pressure on all to try and keep the clubs open and viable.. Most clubs will be unable to survive. Millions from govt to small business, even .more to big business, Even more to billion dollar corps. Invest local.

Remember that's who votes!

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Now that Curling Canada has published guidelines to help Canadian clubs cope during this pandemic, hopefully they are in the midst of preparing presentation submissions to the federal government requesting relief for curling clubs while $$$$ are still available, funds which will not simply provide "relief" but actual club "survival".

Would not be in favour of requesting the CRA to consider making tax deductible deals to curlers across Canada. That would probably be at best a non-starter. Better to go the traditional route and have the government Enable our curling clubs to offer reduced annual dues, fees etc., thereby providing an incentive for curlers to join.

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Curling Canada Waiver

Has anyone carefully read that waiver that Curling Canada has provided for clubs to use as a template? I can't imagine that anyone who has looked at it closely would ever consider signing it. I understand that sporting groups and clubs need a waiver related to the acceptance of risk associated with the physical activities that participants may engage in. But this goes much, much, further. You basically have to agree that you hold the club, the provincial authority and the national authority blameless for anything that happens at the club, and you agree that you will have no right to sue anyone. The waiver is so broad that you could walk into the club, sit down and have the building collapse on your head and you would have no legal recourse. But the guy delivering potato chips or beer doesn't have to sign, so he has more rights than the members. You actually would have more legal rights in any building in the country than your own club. It all makes no sense. Some clubs are making even social members with no playing rights sign the waiver. A waiver is fine, it just needs to be restricted to the playing and/or instruction of the sport itself.

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I think this waiver document was modelled after the one Devious Donald (Scump) used to shield himself from lawsuits at his various over-crowded covid-19 rallies!

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The last concern of anybody joining a Canadian curling club should have is the possibility that the roof will fall in.

Wouldn't it be much more troubling to learn that tRump has been invited to throw out the 1st rock at your club?

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