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07-15-20 10:00AM
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Best Front-End Player to be a Skip

Lots of prior examples of front end players graduating to skip, even after playing in a Brier or Scotties.

Just off the top of my mind:

1. Don Duguid - 2nd in 1957 for Howard Wood, Jr.

2. Jennifer Jones - lead for Kelly Scott at Junior Nationals

3. Bernie Sparkes - 2nd for Ron Northcott for nearly a decade

4. Bob Pickering - front end for Jack Keyes & Campbell family collective before embarking on a remarkable provincial skipping career.

5. Reid Carruthers - front ender for Jeff Stoughton before morphing into a skip of his own renown.

Today's day 'n age - I'll give you 2 female front-enders who might make excellent skips if given the opportunity (and right team):

1. Sarah Wilkes - still under 30, absorbs knowledge well, tremendously powerful, athletic player with lots of miles left.

2. Joanne Courtney - another powerful sweeper, just a bit older than Wilkes, showing no signs of physical deterioration.

Both Wilkes & Courtney on one of women's curling's great teams, Homan/Miskew so chances of them making a play for their own teams minimal as long as Homan/Miskew remain intact.

A few good men playing front side now - I'm sure others can list the top 3 or 4 who will no doubt materialize as significant skips within the next half-decade.

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John Shuster

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Tabitha Peterson was a lead for a few seasons. Skipped for the first time and went to semifinal of grand slam. Lots of people were excited to see her perform at women's worlds, but that's canceled. Roth is back in the team but Tabs still skips, or at least that's what the plan is.

I think she's still green and has a lot of room for growth. She did beat Jamie Sinclair at the US Nationals final, but gave up a no pressure extra point 3-ender ( https://youtu.be/uErImfBLfNE ). I'm just an uneducated fan, but I think if you put your opposition in a place where they're sitting two and can add a third without risk, you've done something wrong strategically.

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Wayne Middaugh, surely!

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Don Duguid & Jennifer Jones are the correct answers in terms of most big time championships transitioning from a front-end player to a skip.

Duguid was a 2nd for Granite CC's Howard Wood, Jr. in 1957, he was only 22 yrs old and green as grass.

Duguid was always a viable competitor in Manitoba - a bit nervous and volatile but the little man could shoot the lights out.

Won a Brier in 1965 as a key 3rd player for Terry Braunstein, a barely 70% last-rock shooter - then Duguid was lured out of retirement by Rod "Arrow" Hunter in 1970 and went on to win 2 straight Briers & 2 straight Worlds. Quite a remarkable record.

Jones (now 46) was a lead for Kelly Scott in winning a Manitoba Juniors title before going on to be the winningest skip in Scotties history. . . 6 Scotties Gold, 3 Scotties Silver & 4 Scotties Bronze. . . . 13 medals in 15 trips to the well.

Both Duguid & Jones transitioned well. They are amongst the biggest names in Manitoba curling.

Jones - Duguid - Watson - Stoughton - Peters - Hudson - Gowanlock - Meleschuk - Laliberte - Burtnyk - Ursel - Pidzarko - Officer - Welsh - Walsh - Braunstein - Einarson - Birchard

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Jennifer Jones never played lead for Kelly Scott. They were teammates for one year with skip Jill Staub (now Thurston). Kelly played lead, Jennifer played third.

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Best Front-End Player to be a Skip?

No, Jones is not the correct answer.

Since she never played as either a second or as a lead on any team, how could she possibly be considered the "Best Front-End Player" to do anything?

Played for Kelly Scott, you say? Nope. Never played for Scott, ever.

So.... based on the Manitoba women you enumerated, Laliberte is the clear winner. And yes, she did start out in the lead position.

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I'll go back to Shuster. Who else went from lead for fenson
Bronze medal in Italy to gold as skip. The end.

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Shuster is a good choice - prolly the best example from USA or non-Canada - but I'll stick to Duguid as the top rags to riches guy!

Had assumed JJ toiled for polite Kelly Scott for one year in juniors so obviously that DQs Jones.

Laliberte played lead for Manitoba in early 80s before assuming her "ICE QUEEN" persona so she's obviously the #1 woman in the rags to riches fabric.

Joyce McKee might be the riches to rags - as the great Saskatchewan skipper went from Canadian championship skip to playing front end for a few years, and won more gold as a second.

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Despite his limited record of success to date, e. g., winner of six Canadian Junior Championships, three Canadian Brier Championships, three World Championships, eleven Grand Slams and one Olympic gold, I think Gushue deserves to be included here.

He's definitely not just a b'y from the bay,eh?

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There's some half-truths about what was said regarding Jennifer Jones and Kelly Scott in this thread so far.

Here's the truth: in 1991 Canadian Juniors, Team Manitoba won silver in women's final.

Here's an excerpt from the official stats by Curling Canada:
http://www.curling.ca/wp-content/up..._Women_1991.pdf

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FINAL END 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Total MANITOBA 2 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 4 NEW BRUNSWICK *0 0 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 5 MANITOBA #SH PTS PCT NEW BRUNSWICK #SH PTS PCT 1 KELLY MACKENZIE 22 68 77 1 LESLEY HICKS 22 76 86 2 KRISTIE MOROZ 22 57 65 2 SUSANNE LEBLANC 22 75 85 3 JENNIFER JONES 22 71 81 3 DENISE CORMIER 22 71 81 4 JILL STAUB 22 67 76 4 HEATHER SMITH 22 66 75 Team Totals 88 263 75 Team Totals 88 288 82 DRAW 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 12 14 15 17 20 22 TOT SKIPS HEATHER SMITH N.B. * 0 * + * + + * + * + + 0 + + 0 +8 JILL STAUB MAN + * + * + * * - * + + + 0 + 0 + +7


Kelly Lynn Mackenzie is Kelly Scott's name at birth. So, yes, they played together, but neither one was the skip. And Jones was not front end. Scott was.

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What are the qualifications for this list? Did they have to start as a front end player? John Epping spent 2 seasons playing 2nd before moving to skip. He did skip as a junior and won a mixed title. He'd be on my list. Mary Ann Arsenault would be high on the list. She has had a tremendous run as a skip after playing lead for years for Colleen Jones.

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The main ones on my list started out as front-enders before moving to skip and winning significant canadian championships.

Jones - Duguid - Middaugh all won canadian and world championships - Jones even raked in an Olympic gold.

But sadly it appears Jones is ineligible for such a list as she never played front end - she was Jill Staub's 3rd in her first trip to a national junior championship.

So its basically Duguid & Middaugh.
Bernie Sparkes another guy who toiled as a master front end player for Owl Northcott - before turning skip in BC. Never won a canadian title though if memory serves.

Pee Wee Pickering was a front end player briefly - and had a tremendous run in Saskatchewan - just couldn't pluck a canadian or world title in his era.

One more to possibly add - N. Ontario's Bill Tetley. I believe he played front end in the 60s before returning as a lip-smackin' skip and winning a Brier.

Connie Laliberte now the best example of a woman who went from front end player in hte early 80s to winning 3 Scotties titles as a skip.

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fwiw Bill Tetley played lead on the 1957 N. Ontario team skipped by Don McEwen. Team only finished 3-7 but for Tetley it was his first taste of the big time.

The man who also appears #1 on my rags to riches list, Don Duguid, also debuted in '57, as 2nd for Howard Wood, Jr. Duguid's brother Lorne, played lead for Wood, Jr.

14 years later Duguid and Tetley would meet in the memorable 1971 Brier final in Quebec City where Duguid managed to emerge victorious.

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