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03-17-19 11:09AM
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Team World Concept

The question:

Should the world mens & womens curling championships welcome a Team World - ie. The defending world champion?

I would argue YES.

Not just because of Jennifer Jones. She is the defending world champion - and yes, she was obliterated at the canadian championships (failed to make playoff round) but the concept is more than JJ

Its the ability to showcase a high profile team and give them a final chance to show their wares before gracefully bowing out to the next generation.

Without increasing the field its a hard go. The asian teams are getting stronger and stronger with each coming year. Home team Denmark might be the worst team at this event - but they're fairly strong, certainly not fawns.

And if the crazies tell me that this would just be a method of getting two canadian teams to the event - thats not the case.

I think there's a very good chance the event would have a non-canadian Team World more or equally often.

Its more about having another hi-profile team with curling efficiency on the draws to pick up sponsorships & global fan interest. If its a second Canadian team (ie. this year Jennifer Jones) then canadian fan interest spikes on TSN when Jones is playing. Whats so wrong with that? And if it isn't Jones - it could be Rachel Homan, Tracy Fleury, Casey Scheidegger or Kris McCarville.

If a team other than Canada is Team World - its may not have much fan gravitas in their home country but it would sure help their specific curling program or federation.

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you know how they say some ideas are best left unsaid?. this is one of them. this is just plain stupid. in no way would this make sense.

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03-17-19 04:48PM
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You can argue for it all you want. It's a stupid idea and just another way for you to bring Jones into another thread.

Ridiculous idea that only fools would go for.

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Even dumber than Team Canada. I firmly believe you should have to earn your way back.

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He says he would argue YES... but his argument has no validity.

The suggestion is just another lame excuse to extend the lives of some of the dinosaurs in this sport.

Goobdegook, at best.

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He says he would argue YES... but his argument has no validity.

The suggestion is just another lame excuse to extend the lives of some of the dinosaurs in this sport.

Goobdegook, at best.



Its actually gobbleygook but who's spell-checkin'???

Anyways, to be brought back as Team World the dinosaur would have had to win the world curling championship (mens or womens) the prior year.

This year's Team World (theoretically) would be Niklas Edin of Sweden in mens, Jennifer Jones of Canada in womens play.

HARDLY DINOSAURS!

Edin for sure - his appearance goes without saying Team World concept or not - putting a 2nd Swedish team at the worlds.

Jones may not be the curling monster she once was - her decline level is pretty apparent but she still curls up a storm, her games are far more interesting than just about anyone - and her team is classy & well-prepared at all times. Even a slightly hobbled Jones, missing the stick by a foot and draws by 10' would add to the paltry crowds I've seen thus far in that little rink in Denmark.

All told - the men and women have come a long way in the last 15 to 20 years. Very few walkovers anymore. But always 2 or 3 teams that could use more seasoning - and only 1 would be displaced by a Team World.

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ML

Sometimes I read your posts and I'm amazed at the spew that comes out. Here's where your suggestion is just plain stupid. If Jones comes back as team world, why play the Scotties? Do you think for one second wcf will allow 2 teams from the same country? Why in any god's name would any sporting authority allow that? Do you actually think the other curling countries with voting rights would allow this, knowing it could mean 1 less team at the worlds which could be their country? I guess your next suggestion is 2 pools of 8 with play downs then playoffs then the finals? Come on man, You got your responses to boost the hits, now stop it. Dumb as dumb can be. Seriously. Stop it.

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Re: ML

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Sometimes I read your posts and I'm amazed at the spew that comes out. Here's where your suggestion is just plain stupid. If Jones comes back as team world, why play the Scotties? Do you think for one second wcf will allow 2 teams from the same country? Why in any god's name would any sporting authority allow that? Do you actually think the other curling countries with voting rights would allow this, knowing it could mean 1 less team at the worlds which could be their country? I guess your next suggestion is 2 pools of 8 with play downs then playoffs then the finals? Come on man, You got your responses to boost the hits, now stop it. Dumb as dumb can be. Seriously. Stop it.

I'm not the authority - just a suggestion!
btw IO2 - check out the following sports - mens & ladies figure skating, gymnastics, track 'n field, speed-skating, downhill skiing, slalom skiing, some countries have far more than 2 competitors.

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03-17-19 10:19PM
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All of those sports are individual sports, not teams. Individual skiers or skaters, even pairs or dance, but those sports have 50 even a hundred competitors, not 13 teams. NOT ONE of the sports you mentioned have TWO SEPARATE teams for their sports from their country. More than one competitor, but ONLY ONE TEAM. Gymnastics have a 5 member team, not 2, 5 member teams. Same with the skiing, they may have 3 down hillers but only ONE TEAM. And there's 100 competitors. Just give it up. Step back and say, I was wrong on that one. Or as I would say, I was mistaken!

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A typo on my part......

The correct spelling is either GOBBLEDEGOOK or GOBBLEDYGOOK.

But never GOBBLEYGOOK as you suggest.

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All of those sports are individual sports, not teams. Individual skiers or skaters, even pairs or dance, but those sports have 50 even a hundred competitors, not 13 teams. NOT ONE of the sports you mentioned have TWO SEPARATE teams for their sports from their country. More than one competitor, but ONLY ONE TEAM. Gymnastics have a 5 member team, not 2, 5 member teams. Same with the skiing, they may have 3 down hillers but only ONE TEAM. And there's 100 competitors. Just give it up. Step back and say, I was wrong on that one. Or as I would say, I was mistaken!


Others,

4 man bobsled
8 man skulls w/ a whistle-captain, too
Speed skating chase (teams of 4)
Gymnastics (team competition is one of the first medal events)
Auto-racing (individual drivers but team setups)
Sailing (America's Cup)
Sprint relays (4-men, various distances)

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****** man are you just that thick?

The only one where there is more than one team is bobsled. Give it up.

8 man skulls, ONE TEAM PER COUNTRY ONLY
Speed skating ONE TEAM PER COUNTRY ONLY
Gymnastics ONE TEAM PER COUNTRY ONLY
Auto racing, not applicable, it's a car not an athlete
Sailing , again boats not athletes, and finally relays, ONE TEAM PER COUNTRY


I give up, it was explained to me many years ago it is fruitless to argue with stupidity.

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****** man are you just that thick?

The only one where there is more than one team is bobsled. Give it up.

8 man skulls, ONE TEAM PER COUNTRY ONLY
Speed skating ONE TEAM PER COUNTRY ONLY
Gymnastics ONE TEAM PER COUNTRY ONLY
Auto racing, not applicable, it's a car not an athlete
Sailing , again boats not athletes, and finally relays, ONE TEAM PER COUNTRY




I give up, it was explained to me many years ago it is fruitless to argue with stupidity.



Yup. You tried. You really did try.

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you know how they say some ideas are best left unsaid?. this is one of them. this is just plain stupid. in no way would this make sense.


ML would do well to follow Abe Lincoln's advice: Better To Remain Silent And Be Thought A Fool Than To Speak And Remove All Doubt!

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ML Drinking Game!

Just for fun I did a little study on ML's posts on the Women's World thread.

Did you know that the event has been on for only two days and ML has made 8 posts

Of those 8 he has mentioned Jones 4 times, Homan 3 and taken 4 passive/aggressive swipes at Carey (not her team, just Carey). Only twice has he made a post that doesn't mention Jones or Homan.

In light of this fascinating (and not at all surprising) data, I have created the...

MANITOBA LEGEND DRINKING GAME!!!

Get together with some curling pals and bevies, open up CZ, pick any forum thread and open it up. Scroll to the first ML post (trust me, you won't have to go far) read it aloud and everyone takes a drink if:

a) the post mentions Jones or Homan and any of their past or present teammates

b) the post takes a veiled, P/A swipe at any other team, Male or Female

DOUBLE SHOT RULES!
Take 2 drinks if:

a) the thread was started by ML

b) his post takes the thread completely off topic

c) he ruminates about the old days in Manitoba (this might also match up with 'b' so that's 4 shots)

d) refers to any team as 'fawns' or 'monsters'

TRIPLE SHOT RULE!

take 3 drinks if ML manages to put any or all of the above double shot rules into a single post!

Enjoy the game and the next morning hangover

PS-as a suggestion to make the game last longer than a single discussion thread, I suggest the option of taking a sip as opposed to downing an entire shot. Although be warned: it makes the game last longer, but it also drags out the agony of reading more of ML's posts.

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