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11-05-22 03:13AM
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Chinese tennis players on the major tours are almost exclusively based overseas, and do not rely on the support of their country's federation like curlers and figure skaters do.

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Wow I bet Dropkin didn’t see that coming…congrats to Korea for making the final. Gushue should not underestimate this Korean team.

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As if I needed any more reasons to hate the Recast system, they've now started charging double the credits for select matchups.



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The static camera "light" coverage with no commentary has always been half the price of the full production broadcast. They just doubled the price for everything, but that ratio is still preserved.

You can still get 250 free credit every day by "watching" ads (which you don't actually have to watch, if you know what I mean).

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No double gold for Canada since the women lost to Japan in semifinal. Still a chance for double gold for Korea, but I think double silver is more probable.

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No double gold for Canada since the women lost to Japan in semifinal. Still a chance for double gold for Korea, but I think double silver is more probable.

The Asian women have validated the existence of this tournament. The Pan Continental finals looks just like a typical Pan Pacific finals did.

But it's good that the weaker teams like Canada gain this valuable experience in international competition. Hopefully, with time, they will become comfortable enough to avoid wilting under pressure.

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Where did someone make a sincere argument that the Korean and Japanese teams aren't equal threats on the women's side? I'm guessing nowhere and you're just inventing a strawman.

Anyway, yet another failure by Canadian women's curling. It remains a problem.

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Originally posted by oliviertoisel Where did someone make a sincere argument that the Korean and Japanese teams aren't equal threats on the women's side? I'm guessing nowhere and you're just inventing a strawman.

To be honest, my post was intended as a trolling joke towards those that view these qualifying tournaments to be beneath a country with the curling status and reputation of Canada (e.g., it being "a waste of time and money" for them to participate)

Clearly, Team Einarson is the more skilled team, and if they faced Team Fujisawa a hundred times, I expect that they would win about eighty of them. But the Japanese came in with a clear plan of keeping the game close until the end and hoping for some things to go their way in the end, which it did in this case. Perhaps Einarson does not see such a style of curling very often in domestic play, and was not prepared to manage it?

International curlers have gotten better by coming to Canada to face Canadian curlers. Now it may be time for the reverse to happen; for Canadian teams to find more opportunities to compete with the international teams to gain the experience necessary to handle situations such as this. They need to be participating in more events like this, not less.

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Heads up for everyone, TSN is not showing the Bronze game on TV, due to CFL and NFL playoffs, it will be on TSN.ca.

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To be honest, my post was intended as a trolling joke towards those that view these qualifying tournaments to be beneath a country with the curling status and reputation of Canada (e.g., it being "a waste of time and money" for them to participate)

Clearly, Team Einarson is the more skilled team, and if they faced Team Fujisawa a hundred times, I expect that they would win about eighty of them. But the Japanese came in with a clear plan of keeping the game close until the end and hoping for some things to go their way in the end, which it did in this case. Perhaps Einarson does not see such a style of curling very often in domestic play, and was not prepared to manage it?

International curlers have gotten better by coming to Canada to face Canadian curlers. Now it may be time for the reverse to happen; for Canadian teams to find more opportunities to compete with the international teams to gain the experience necessary to handle situations such as this. They need to be participating in more events like this, not less.


Seeing you’re targeting me, I will respond.
At no time did I single out “ a waste of time for Canada”.
I said it was a waste of time and money to have any country that finished top 4 at the previous worlds to have to participate.
But some don’t understand that.
I don’t have a problem with having a qualifying/ relegation tournament . But every country should not have to participate. At least not until they drop to the bottom of the world standings.

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I won't go into the merits of granting the previous tournament's champions an automatic birth into the next event, as I can understand the points made by both sides of that argument, and will just say that it's the general trend across all sports to be moving away from that (for example, since 2002, the World Cup soccer winners no longer received an automatic birth into the next competition)

What I will say is that, as neither Canadian team steamrolled through the tournament winning every match with the earliest possible handshakes, it has been definitively proven that their participation was not "a waste of time". They actually lost games, and even in the games that they won there was room for improvement, so the only way it proves a waste of time is if they choose to ignore all of the issues and lessons learned over the past week.

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Canadian women played wrong shots in last two ends.

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This is now the third major international women's competition of 2022 where the bottom two teams in the semi-finals advanced to the finals (2022 Olympics, 2022 Junior Worlds, 2022 Pan Continental). Statistical anomoly, or can anyone think of a logical reason for this?

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Canadian women played wrong shots in last two ends.


Clearly an average coach would have helped. Russ said it in the last end with Kerri's first shot....I would like to be shot.

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Congratulations to the Ladies JaPan Continental champions! Despite two Olympic Medals, this is the biggest event that Team Fujisawa has ever actually won.

I'm also happy to see that this win qualifies them for the Champions Cup. But I don't see the European championship on the list of qualifying events?

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Clearly, Team Einarson is the more skilled team, and if they faced Team Fujisawa a hundred times, I expect that they would win about eighty of them. But the Japanese came in with a clear plan of keeping the game close until the end and hoping for some things to go their way in the end, which it did in this case. Perhaps Einarson does not see such a style of curling very often in domestic play, and was not prepared to manage it?



Apparently Einarson is 70% win rate in her last 20 games again Fujisawa but how many of those were 8 ends? She would've won the semi in 8 too. But no excuse for the 9th and 10th. I don't know what the issue is but they had that game and lost it inexcusably. Something continues to be missing from women's curling in Canada and I'm not sure what. Though there's an argument that women's curling in general lacks consistency. The Olympics were some of the worst curling I've ever seen and the gold medallists are not a good representation for the state of women's curling.

I am glad to see Fujisawa win a final. She seems the perennial bridesmaid, though I guess she had the 2015 Pacific Championship.

On the men's side I do think Gushue dominated, but-for that 4 ender by Dropkin. Gushue is never a 20-1 type guy, too conservative, but wasn't really in trouble in any of the games after the opener. I'm not sure what else domination looks like at this level with competent teams. And they didn't even seem to be playing their best to my eye. I did love seeing Harnden, who just seemed to thrilled to be with his new team.

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I am glad to see Fujisawa win a final. She seems the perennial bridesmaid, though I guess she had the 2015 Pacific Championship.

On the international stage, I think her only other title was a leg of that one-and-done Curling World Cup. While I am very happy to see her get that monkey off her back, it happened in a rather sloppy game with one of the worst played extra ends by both sides that I've ever seen. I was almost expecting Fujisawa to miss the final shot and blank the end.

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What would've been cute is if Fujisawa wins the Pinty's Cup without winning a slam. Koe did that in 2018-2019 season (he had the most points from consistent performance).

Would you count that as a win? I would.

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I was so happy to see fujisawa get the win. Thats such a fun team to watch .

I have to say i was impressed by new zealand men. That skip anton hood is a real shot maker. Wuth some more experience they could be really good and contending for medals here in a few years.

Whay surprises me is china being firced to compete in b division next year. Tjis means they will miss 2024 worlds, whixh purs their olympic qualifying in major doubt. Theyll need a strong 2025 to get there

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I was so happy to see fujisawa get the win. Thats such a fun team to watch .

I have to say i was impressed by new zealand men. That skip anton hood is a real shot maker. Wuth some more experience they could be really good and contending for medals here in a few years.

Whay surprises me is china being firced to compete in b division next year. Tjis means they will miss 2024 worlds, whixh purs their olympic qualifying in major doubt. Theyll need a strong 2025 to get there



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Whay surprises me is china being firced to compete in b division next year.

Especially since Australian ladies were only in the A division this year due to a special exemption for very similar COVID related reasons.

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Prices are ridiculous too though. $20 to go see a mostly 6 end blowouts? When the cash spiels last week, with much more competitive fields, cost $5?

For reference, the top priced tickets for the Karuizawa International Curling Championship are going for 100,000 yen, or about 600 USD.

https://www.karuizawaclub.ne.jp/kar...national-ticket

Even the "obstructed view" seats are about 35 USD.

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the bottom two teams in the semi-finals advanced to the finals

This also happens at men's sometimes. Just look at Penticton that was happening basically at the same time as Pan-Continental.

The two teams at the finals (Shuster & Dunstone) had to fight their way in through tiebreaker games. In the semifinals, they beat 5-0 teams that got a bye to the quarterfinals (Gauthier & Edin).

I think that's great. I'm not one of those "I only want to see the best team win!" kind of sport purist. I like upsets. I watch curling for the drama.

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Late to the party here, but I can't believe how badly acknowledged Fujisawa's accomplishments and "skill level" are here, as if they're vastly beneath Einarson or other Canadian teams.

- The team has been on the podium at consecutive Olympics. CONSECUTIVE OLYMPICS.
- The team had a silver medal at the Worlds in 2016 (and haven't played in a World Championship since then to better that medal)
- The team has made the playoffs in 11/16 Grand Slam events they've played since 2018.

We talk about them like they're an overachieving underdog. If they were a Canadian team, we would talk about them as the underachieving team that can't get the monkey off their back and win the big one.

To say nothing of the Korean women's program, which has been on the podium at 2 of the last 3 World Championships and earned a Silver Medal at the 2018 Olympics.

The disrespect (unintentional, no doubt) towards Asian region teams is remarkable given their consistent and obvious success in the past two Olympic cycles. And it's a shame China have fallen off that list, where Bingyu Wang was so strong for so many years.

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