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nelski
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I am a club curler and I sweep either side with arm nearest the rock down, body facing the house as I move with the rock. I think it is pretty normal to switch and not a specialty in any way. I wear two grippers, so the slider is not a factor in my sweeping, sometimes keeping the slider in front might make a difference on arm position when a person crosses over.
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| 01-24-22 09:23PM |
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curlingclips
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Originally posted by nelski
I think it is pretty normal to switch
Can you name a male sweeper from a top-ranked team who is ambidextrous?
Some of the greatest sweepers are not. They only use one arm lower on the broom, so much so that they sometimes wear only one compression arm sleeve.
Example:
Ben Hebert
https://youtu.be/Uhy4FhRrxUM?t=9m55s
Brett Gallant
https://youtu.be/jDjwtgb2gBw?t=57s
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| 01-26-22 07:18AM |
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johnnysmoke
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I was ambidextrous one week when I was in London England. When I walked on the sidewalk, I had to keep looking right instead of left for vehicular traffic.
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| 01-26-22 02:29PM |
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curlingclips
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If no one can name an "ambidextrous" male sweeper, how about an "ambidextrous" thrower? Has there been a notable curler who switched delivery hand in their career? Or maybe switch part way through an event, or heck, within one game?
Switching because they're playing in a left-handers bonspiel doesn't count, but we can also talk about those, preferably if there are photos/videos/stories.
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| 02-08-22 06:52AM |
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curlingclips
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Mike Harris mentioned in the 2nd end of the bronze medal game of mixed doubles at 2022 Olympics that Oskar Ericsson and Christoffer Sundgren swapped shoes at a summer curling event in LA. Oskar normally plays left-handed, so swapping shoes with Christoffer effectively means that they played with opposite hands that they normally play with.
Mike Harris did not name this event,. Does anyone know more about it? Are there any photos/videos?
//edit: I'm pretty sure it's the 2017 Hollywood Celebrity Bonspiel. Apparently Oskar and Christoffer were auctioned off for less than $500.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BTAtVZdFbJP/
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| 03-07-22 12:45AM |
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curlingclips
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Ben Hebert made a comment/joke that is relevant to this thread.
Tell me you're a curler without telling me you're a curler....
https://twitter.com/TSNCurling/stat...215400839086082
"One side of my body feels like I'm 19, the other side of my body feels like I'm 95..."
It would be interesting to get this assessment from someone like Emma Miskew, who I'm guessing is probably not as lopsided.
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| 03-07-22 06:57PM |
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aluchko
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Originally posted by nelski
I am a club curler and I sweep either side with arm nearest the rock down, body facing the house as I move with the rock.
Same here, I figure it's a bit healthier and if an arm/wrist is injured I can still sweep with the other side.
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| 03-07-22 07:18PM |
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curlingclips
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Originally posted by aluchko
Same here, I figure it's a bit healthier and if an arm/wrist is injured I can still sweep with the other side.
What do you think will happen if an elite athlete such as Ben Hebert switches at this point in his career and tries to sweep with his right hand lower on the broom instead of his left hand?
Can he just do it and perhaps let his body recover and not be as lopsided? Or is it too late now and he's stuck with his 19/95 body?
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| 03-07-22 08:18PM |
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aluchko
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Originally posted by curlingclips
What do you think will happen if an elite athlete such as Ben Hebert switches at this point in his career and tries to sweep with his right hand lower on the broom instead of his left hand?
Can he just do it and perhaps let his body recover and not be as lopsided? Or is it too late now and he's stuck with his 19/95 body?
I think the issue for him would be technique. I've done both sides for years and my dominant arm is still a bit better. Sweeping technique matters a lot and I doubt he could be nearly as effective on the non-dominant side without years of practice.
Perhaps he could alternate at some of the less important events but I'd certainly expect him to stay on his strong side when it mattered.
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| 03-07-22 08:39PM |
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curlingclips
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Originally posted by aluchko
I doubt he could be nearly as effective on the non-dominant side without years of practice.
Can you ballpark a figure on the comparison of his sweeping effectiveness, say as of today?
With absolutely no practice, and assuming Ben Hebert is in his normal healthy condition, if you ask him to switch sweeping hand in the next game, how much worse will his effectiveness be? 25%? 50%? 75%?
This is very unscientific, of course, but I just want to understand what "not nearly as effective on the non-dominant side" means for elite curlers.
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| 03-07-22 08:55PM |
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IN-OFF-FOR-2
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Originally posted by aluchko
I think the issue for him would be technique. I've done both sides for years and my dominant arm is still a bit better. Sweeping technique matters a lot and I doubt he could be nearly as effective on the non-dominant side without years of practice.
Perhaps he could alternate at some of the less important events but I'd certainly expect him to stay on his strong side when it mattered.
STOP. Don’t do it. Don’t get sucked into responding. I’m trying not to. Alas here I respond again to the nonsense. But you’ll just encourage the bs that never ends. Truth is probably 50 posts ago it was explained that 90% of curlers, people who curl, CAN sweep both sides. Are able to sweep both sides. No trouble to sweep both sides. Having said that, many have a “preferred” side. But can still sweep both sides. In the last 4-5 years the emphasis is on one side only sweeping whilst curling. Just put the sweeper on their preferred side. Simple. If both sweepers have the same preferred side, adjust the ice you take accordingly.
Bring on the quotes and clips.
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| 03-08-22 09:59AM |
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aluchko
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Originally posted by curlingclips
Can you ballpark a figure on the comparison of his sweeping effectiveness, say as of today?
Uhhh, no idea. But to make up completely arbitrary numbers without any practice I'd say terrible, like 25% or less. Will a bit of practice 75%, and a few years of practice 90%?
Dominant side it probably with your dominant arm as the lower one.
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Originally posted by IN-OFF-FOR-2
STOP. Don’t do it. Don’t get sucked into responding. I’m trying not to. Alas here I respond again to the nonsense. But you’ll just encourage the bs that never ends. Truth is probably 50 posts ago it was explained that 90% of curlers, people who curl, CAN sweep both sides.
We're talking about switching arms not switching sides.
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| 03-08-22 01:58PM |
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curlingclips
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Originally posted by aluchko
We're talking about switching arms not switching sides.
Well, to be fair, both are interesting to me. If there's a video of Joanne Courtney sweeping on thrower's right side, for example, I would also be interested in watching that.
But yes, per the thread title, I am referring to switching ams/hands when I'm talking about "ambidextrous" sweepers, so I would also be interested if there's a video of Joanne Courtney sweeping with her right hand lower on the broom.
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| 03-08-22 02:27PM |
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curlingclips
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Originally posted by aluchko
Dominant side it probably with your dominant arm as the lower one.
I'm glad you wrote that!
Marc Kennedy is a lefty. He delivers a curling rock with his left hand.
Marc Kennedy sweeps with his right hand/arm lower on the broom.
So what's going on here? Does Marc Kennedy has a dominant left hand, but dominant right arm? Or is he right-dominant as a sweeper only, but left-dominant in everything else in life?
Is his right arm stronger than his left arm now? Has it always been in his entire life, or did that only happen after years of sweeping the way that he does?
Ben Hebert and Joanne Courtney are widely cited as some of the best sweepers in curling. They throw rocks with their right hands, but sweeps with left hands lower on the broom. What's going on here?
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| 03-14-22 03:15AM |
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curlingclips
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Originally posted by IN-OFF-FOR-2
people who curl, CAN sweep both sides
At the 1v2 game of 2022 Brier, 10th end, BJ's second throw ("Out-turn double peel!"), you can hear John Morris said "I can't sweep on this side!", and Ben Hebert replied "You don't have to!".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxAO7KxAPL4&t=2h17m5s
Hebert swept that rock on BJ's left side. Morris was on BJ's right side, but he didn't even follow the rock.
It's worth noting that on Team Koe, Morris usually (always?) sweeps on the thrower's left side.
Morris plays mixed doubles, so obviously he can sweep on either side, so I'm really not sure what all of this means.
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| 03-14-22 04:36PM |
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curlky
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quote:
Originally posted by curlingclips
I'm glad you wrote that!
Marc Kennedy is a lefty. He delivers a curling rock with his left hand.
Marc Kennedy sweeps with his right hand/arm lower on the broom.
So what's going on here? Does Marc Kennedy has a dominant left hand, but dominant right arm? Or is he right-dominant as a sweeper only, but left-dominant in everything else in life?
Is his right arm stronger than his left arm now? Has it always been in his entire life, or did that only happen after years of sweeping the way that he does?
Ben Hebert and Joanne Courtney are widely cited as some of the best sweepers in curling. They throw rocks with their right hands, but sweeps with left hands lower on the broom. What's going on here?
I can only speak for me, but I throw Right, and am a far better sweeper with left arm closer to the ice when sweeping.
I have found that my weaker arm (the left) when it is high no the broom, lacks the coordination to move the broom back and forth quick enough
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| 04-23-22 02:15AM |
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curlingclips
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Colin Hodgson claimed that he's an "ambidextrous" sweeper, and I was able to confirm this in footage from mixed doubles.
Here, even though he only wore a single compression sleeve on his left arm, he switches back and forth between both arms during the game, sometimes even during one shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntILKPQ3XoA&t=25m
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| 10-31-23 03:06AM |
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lilycollins
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Your paper really fnaf amazed me; it is clear fnaf game that you did a lot of research. I read it and learned so much!
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| 12-12-23 02:28AM |
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timothyferriss
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Some players may simply be comfortable switching hands due to practice and preference, rather than being backpack battles truly ambidextrous. However, their ability to sweep effectively with either hand still offers an advantage in terms of flexibility and positioning.
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